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racism school assignm.
Fiskarna
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Fiskarna wrote:
oui, c'est moi ! 

so i have an assignment about the history of racism in school

brainstorming together about these questions would help a lot!! 



0. Should a person’s flaws (such as racist attitudes and actions) be excused because of community norms or the times in which they lived?

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1. the british did not become slave traders because they were racist; they became racist because they were slave traders. what does this mean? do you agree? 
 
2. were the blacks in africa purely victims of slave trade or were they also perpetrators? 

3. George Washington, the first president of the US, declared that "all men are born equal". but he was a slave owner and didn't see any problem with slavery. ?? how does this add up? 

4. When British plantation owners began to gain less profit, they blamed this on the black labor force. "we are now poor because we can not force blacks to work. They are lazy by nature." Discuss if this is an expression of racism.

5. Race and class are close in meaning. could you say that the negative thoughts about the working class is racism?



these are only a tenth of the questions. kill me
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Date: 13-12-2017 12:45 | Times changed: 1
Fiskarna
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Fiskarna wrote:
personaly i h ave no fucking idea what question 2 means
why would they be perpetrators ?? there were enslaved 
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Date: 13-12-2017 12:47
Private
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Yoko wrote:
Fiskarna wrote:
personaly i h ave no fucking idea what question 2 means
why would they be perpetrators ?? there were enslaved 
i think they want you to discuss black slaveholders ,of which there were a few
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Date: 13-12-2017 12:52
Fiskarna
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Fiskarna wrote:
Yoko wrote:
Fiskarna wrote:
personaly i h ave no fucking idea what question 2 means
why would they be perpetrators ?? there were enslaved 
i think they want you to discuss black slaveholders ,of which there were a few
oo00oh
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Date: 13-12-2017 12:53
Private
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KaruSatare wrote:
Yoko wrote:
Fiskarna wrote:
personaly i h ave no fucking idea what question 2 means
why would they be perpetrators ?? there were enslaved 
i think they want you to discuss black slaveholders ,of which there were a few
also, I think I remember reading they used to take people from other tribes and trade them with the British. This would in turn make some of them victims, whereas some became perpetrators contributing to the fucked up system.
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Date: 13-12-2017 12:56
Cimorene
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Cimorene wrote:
KaruSatare wrote:
Yoko wrote:
Fiskarna wrote:
personaly i h ave no fucking idea what question 2 means
why would they be perpetrators ?? there were enslaved 
i think they want you to discuss black slaveholders ,of which there were a few
also, I think I remember reading they used to take people from other tribes and trade them with the British. This would in turn make some of them victims, whereas some became perpetrators contributing to the fucked up system.
There were a lot of slavery and slave trade in africa already, long before the europeans started wanting slaves. The europeans made it more systematic, and of course this new demand made the slave trade even more common, as there now was another group of people wanting slaves, but the slave trade existed full well already.
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Date: 13-12-2017 13:02
Fiskarna
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Fiskarna wrote:
Cimorene wrote:
KaruSatare wrote:
Yoko wrote:
i think they want you to discuss black slaveholders ,of which there were a few
also, I think I remember reading they used to take people from other tribes and trade them with the British. This would in turn make some of them victims, whereas some became perpetrators contributing to the fucked up system.
There were a lot of slavery and slave trade in africa already, long before the europeans started wanting slaves. The europeans made it more systematic, and of course this new demand made the slave trade even more common, as there now was another group of people wanting slaves, but the slave trade existed full well already.
oo like the british pretty much just added bureaucracy ? 
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Date: 13-12-2017 13:03
Cimorene
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Cimorene wrote:
Fiskarna wrote:
Cimorene wrote:
KaruSatare wrote:
also, I think I remember reading they used to take people from other tribes and trade them with the British. This would in turn make some of them victims, whereas some became perpetrators contributing to the fucked up system.
There were a lot of slavery and slave trade in africa already, long before the europeans started wanting slaves. The europeans made it more systematic, and of course this new demand made the slave trade even more common, as there now was another group of people wanting slaves, but the slave trade existed full well already.
oo like the british pretty much just added bureaucracy ? 
Yeah, kind of (as well as a much larger demand), the triangle trade was basically just putting the slave trade into a global system 
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Date: 13-12-2017 13:10
Fiskarna
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Fiskarna wrote:
beep boop
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Date: 13-12-2017 18:33
Private
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Nama wrote:
Fiskarna wrote:
personaly i h ave no fucking idea what question 2 means
why would they be perpetrators ?? there were enslaved 
Prob how they were selling the slaves. Based on my textbooks(which may not be 100% correct) the slaves were sold and not forcefully taken away. At that time slaves were a currency and slavery was happening all around the world (ofc within their own race tho at that time) so i guess thats what they mean.

The slaves were victims but there were some people in africa making money off selling them. Very interesting topic tho.

For question 1:
I think i would agree. I believe if white people were introduced to poc in a different setting the racism would not be like today. They were already keeping (white) slaves but when the black slaves dominated the slave market i think it created a new stereotype that all black people were slaves and lesser than the whites, because there were no black people with power.

Hope any of that made sense lol gl on your assignment
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Date: 13-12-2017 18:41
Sjokomelk
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sjokomelk wrote:
1. the british did not become slave traders because they were racist; they became racist because they were slave traders. what does this mean? do you agree? Well they didn't see anything wrong with it cause it was considered manpower i think? it became racist because they only enslaved black people or because they dominated the market
 
5. Race and class are close in meaning. could you say that the negative thoughts about the working class is racism? many might want to say that it is but we have to remember that not only blacks are/were of working class. since many people grew up with the mindset of blacks being slaves or workers it might have created a negative effect
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Fiskarna
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Fiskarna wrote:
thanks!!
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Date: 13-12-2017 18:51
Wisteria
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Wisteria wrote:
3. George Washington, the first president of the US, declared that "all men are born equal". but he was a slave owner and didn't see any problem with slavery. ?? how does this add up? 

cuz he didnt consider black ppl... actually ppl . thts why ppl were fine w slavery n shit like tht , they didn't see slaves as "men" at all    im just guessing but its the only shit tht makes sense n probably true 
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Date: 13-12-2017 19:17
Fiskarna
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Fiskarna wrote:
Wisteria wrote:
3. George Washington, the first president of the US, declared that "all men are born equal". but he was a slave owner and didn't see any problem with slavery. ?? how does this add up? 

cuz he didnt consider black ppl... actually ppl . thts why ppl were fine w slavery n shit like tht , they didn't see slaves as "men" at all    im just guessing but its the only shit tht makes sense n probably true 
what a dick! 
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Date: 13-12-2017 19:20
Basil
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Basil wrote:
1. this is patently false, as evidenced by the perpetuation of similar activities globally before/during/after the slave trade. before the atlantic slave trade, chattel slavery existed; people from many regions in europe/africa became slaves. but the rise of slavery came as britain (and other european countries) developed a sense of ethno-nationalism as they had by now sorted themselves into nations. the assertion that the british became racist as a result of slavery ignores what provoked them to recognise one specific class as 'lesser than' to the extent that they could be seen as cattle and to even engage in slavery in the first place--there was a drive from the british for cheap (free, almost) labour, but there was also a budding sense of western superiority, a trend that can also be seen with their treatment of eastern and american civilizations in the same time period.

2. africans were victims of slavery, full stop. the myth that they were supposed 'perpetrators' of slavery comes from a misunderstanding of cultural differences. in that time period, rival tribes would often go to war, and those who lost would become captives of the victors. this has been a common practice throughout history. but when an outside influence came and offered goods for those captives, it upset the balance; however, many that 'sold' slaves to western powers would inevitably become slaves themselves, as the westerners were non-discriminatory in who they would take. they would provoke disputes among tribes to create more slaves, and introduced guns which upset the balance even more.

it's also important to consider the misrepresentation of their actions the westerners initially portrayed; they first founded missionaries and established bases, which facilitated the movement of any captured slaves much quicker, and provided and initial front for their operation.

also, to clarify, black =/= african.

3. many founding fathers owned slaves, and did not view them as equal to white men in mental capacity and even 'worth'; the image of heaven for many did not include slaves, as they were akin to livestock. this cognitive dissonance allowed them to both demand freedom for themselves and to maintain their way of living.

4. slavers did not treat their slaves correctly; that many slaves even lived past their 20th birthday is a miracle due to malnutrition, lack of clean water and rampant disease. 

this question is worded rather strangely, though. slavery was always profitable (how could free labour not be), but the crops that were being sold often fluctuated as the market became more saturated. the perception of black people as lazy has roots in slavery though, and many slave owners believed they 'had' to beat/punish their slaves as they were not god's children and thus had sinful natures--sloth, greed, etc.

5. race and class are not close in meaning. class in a structural order of societies, whereas race is superimposed upon that structure. in our current day and age, the intersection between race and class globally now equates the two, but it should be very clear that they are not one and the same. all classist actions are not racist, but many racist actions are classist. 
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Basil
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Basil wrote:
Nama wrote:
Fiskarna wrote:
personaly i h ave no fucking idea what question 2 means
why would they be perpetrators ?? there were enslaved 
Prob how they were selling the slaves. Based on my textbooks(which may not be 100% correct) the slaves were sold and not forcefully taken away. At that time slaves were a currency and slavery was happening all around the world (ofc within their own race tho at that time) so i guess thats what they mean.

The slaves were victims but there were some people in africa making money off selling them. Very interesting topic tho.

For question 1:
I think i would agree. I believe if white people were introduced to poc in a different setting the racism would not be like today. They were already keeping (white) slaves but when the black slaves dominated the slave market i think it created a new stereotype that all black people were slaves and lesser than the whites, because there were no black people with power.

Hope any of that made sense lol gl on your assignment
this is false, and is a narrative that has been pushed by westerners for decades. due to linguistic and cultural differences, the african nations that began to engage with slavery did not understand what they were getting into. westerners have taken one small aspect of historic african culture (prisoners of war, something that has and continues to exist in every country) and blown it up to be an excuse for westerner's hand in enslaving and terrorizing an entire continent. 
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