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there needs to be more regulation on codes
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UPDATE

the admins have finally put a rule in place to punish those that claim codes on side accounts, but I feel that even with the current rule in place, not much is being done to stop those from claiming on side accounts. I do appreciate the step forward, but i still feel like the rule needs some reworking.

my personal suggestions:

-i'm still sticking by my guns on the 'youtube star and higher' should be the only ones allowed to claim codes.

-get rid of the warning system, and make claiming codes on a side account an automatic punishment. with the current system, people can make a new account (effectively wiping their slate clean) and since mods can't see trade histories, they can't see which account the items are being sent to.

everything below has been written before the rules update, and the parts in green are now in effect as of 11/11/17.

-it doesn't affect anyone!
just using the botw event as an example- almost all of the items have half of their claims occupied by side accounts, some of which haven't even logged in since the event. when females claim male codes, one of two things happens: either the item rots in their wardrobe because they're inactive on their side account, or the item gets sold at absurdly high prices later on, forcing males to pay out the nose for an item they were meant to get for free in the first place.

imagine, for example, that someone was giving out sweaters. even though you have a sweater already, you really like the sweaters that are being given out as well. when you ask for one, they mention that they want to give the sweaters to people that don't have sweaters first, but that if they have leftovers you're more than welcome to have one then. would you then snatch the sweater and run, or (even greedier) grab a whole handful of sweaters, wait until the sweaters run out, and then sell the sweaters to people without sweaters later on?

-but i use both of my accounts equally!
if you had two accounts of the same gender, and you wanted to claim a code, you wouldn't be able to claim the same code twice now, would you? it's the same as the whole 'my sibling shares a computer with me, so i need two code claims so that they can get one!' argument- there are so few situations where you would need a code on a side account, that the need for regulations outweighs the need for exceptions.

-but males claim female codes, too!
yes, but it's not such a rampant problem that admins themselves have had to speak up. the only reason i use female accounts as the basis for this is because that is where most of the issues come from. the suggested rules (which are in the next post) would apply to both genders, obviously.

-how am i supposed to make money, then?
the same way most male accounts do. the tutorial in the beginning when you signed up explained how to earn credits/popdollars, use it.

-so am i just not allowed to sell code items/how is selling code items from my gender any different from selling code items from opposite genders?

people claiming codes from their gender for profit is also an issue, but it's less of an issue than females claiming male codes for profit. nevertheless, i covered it below in the 'suggested fixes' section.

-how are you going to enforce any of this?
shadowjess has said several times that she can see what is and isn't a side account, and from past experiences the mods can see this as well.

-what if i use a vpn/my cell phone to claim more than one code?

this is considered cheating, and is also a TOable offense.

if i missed anything, please let me know so i can update this post!
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Suggested Fixes

Make the following against the rules:

-Claiming a code on a side account for the first 24 hours that the code is up. (note: LE codes are no longer allowed to be claimed on side accounts. unlimited codes are free game afaik)

-Selling a code set for 48 hours after the code has expired

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Selling a code set while the code is still active

Make the following impossible to do:
-Claiming codes that aren't for your gender (from what I remember from botw, Kaj made it so that males couldn't accidentally claim female codes, but didn't make it vice versa)

-Claiming a code before an account is Youtube Star (that way accounts won't claim a code then go inactive, effectively deleting the item)
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Wheatley wrote:
Suggested Fixes

Make the following against the rules:

-Claiming a code on a side account for the first 24 hours that the code is up.

-Selling a code set for 48 hours after the code has expired

Make the following impossible to do:
-Claiming codes that aren't for your gender (from what I remember from botw, Kaj made it so that males couldn't accidentally claim female codes, but didn't make it vice versa)

-Claiming a code before an account is Street Musician (that way accounts won't claim a code then go inactive, effectively deleting the item)
just saying
but what if someone just created an account (not a side account, but for real) and hears about the code 
isn't it cruel that the person can't claim it ? especially if it's LE. 
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Karma wrote:
Wheatley wrote:
Suggested Fixes

Make the following against the rules:

-Claiming a code on a side account for the first 24 hours that the code is up.

-Selling a code set for 48 hours after the code has expired

Make the following impossible to do:
-Claiming codes that aren't for your gender (from what I remember from botw, Kaj made it so that males couldn't accidentally claim female codes, but didn't make it vice versa)

-Claiming a code before an account is Street Musician (that way accounts won't claim a code then go inactive, effectively deleting the item)
just saying
but what if someone just created an account (not a side account, but for real) and hears about the code 
isn't it cruel that the person can't claim it ? especially if it's LE. 

reaching street musician takes only about an hour (you only need 1.5k fans, easily achieved by doing a tour)

even then, it's in the same boat as barring anyone lower than yt star from accepting trades/money
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Wheatley wrote:
Karma wrote:
Wheatley wrote:
Suggested Fixes

Make the following against the rules:

-Claiming a code on a side account for the first 24 hours that the code is up.

-Selling a code set for 48 hours after the code has expired

Make the following impossible to do:
-Claiming codes that aren't for your gender (from what I remember from botw, Kaj made it so that males couldn't accidentally claim female codes, but didn't make it vice versa)

-Claiming a code before an account is Street Musician (that way accounts won't claim a code then go inactive, effectively deleting the item)
just saying
but what if someone just created an account (not a side account, but for real) and hears about the code 
isn't it cruel that the person can't claim it ? especially if it's LE. 

reaching street musician takes only about an hour (you only need 1.5k fans, easily achieved by doing a tour)

even then, it's in the same boat as barring anyone lower than yt star from accepting trades/money
1 hour.
so when there is an LE code, that person has NO CHANCE to have it.
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Wheatley wrote:
Karma wrote:
Wheatley wrote:
Suggested Fixes

Make the following against the rules:

-Claiming a code on a side account for the first 24 hours that the code is up.

-Selling a code set for 48 hours after the code has expired

Make the following impossible to do:
-Claiming codes that aren't for your gender (from what I remember from botw, Kaj made it so that males couldn't accidentally claim female codes, but didn't make it vice versa)

-Claiming a code before an account is Street Musician (that way accounts won't claim a code then go inactive, effectively deleting the item)
just saying
but what if someone just created an account (not a side account, but for real) and hears about the code 
isn't it cruel that the person can't claim it ? especially if it's LE. 

reaching street musician takes only about an hour (you only need 1.5k fans, easily achieved by doing a tour)

even then, it's in the same boat as barring anyone lower than yt star from accepting trades/money
plus no it's not  
they will have the chance to trade later, but no chance to get the LE code for free later. 
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Karma wrote:
Wheatley wrote:
Karma wrote:
just saying
but what if someone just created an account (not a side account, but for real) and hears about the code 
isn't it cruel that the person can't claim it ? especially if it's LE. 

reaching street musician takes only about an hour (you only need 1.5k fans, easily achieved by doing a tour)

even then, it's in the same boat as barring anyone lower than yt star from accepting trades/money
1 hour.
so when there is an LE code, that person has NO CHANCE to have it.

okay? there'll be plenty of codes in the future too. do new users complain when they missed a code from months ago?
Snailman
Streetmusician



Wheatley wrote:
Suggested Fixes

Make the following against the rules:

-Claiming a code on a side account for the first 24 hours that the code is up.

-Selling a code set for 48 hours after the code has expired

Make the following impossible to do:
-Claiming codes that aren't for your gender (from what I remember from botw, Kaj made it so that males couldn't accidentally claim female codes, but didn't make it vice versa)

-Claiming a code before an account is Street Musician (that way accounts won't claim a code then go inactive, effectively deleting the item)
if the code is set for the specific gender i think the other gender shouldn't be able to claim it ?  no matter what gender 
Private
Living legend



Roger that.
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Wheatley wrote:
Karma wrote:
Wheatley wrote:

reaching street musician takes only about an hour (you only need 1.5k fans, easily achieved by doing a tour)

even then, it's in the same boat as barring anyone lower than yt star from accepting trades/money
1 hour.
so when there is an LE code, that person has NO CHANCE to have it.

okay? there'll be plenty of codes in the future too. do new users complain when they missed a code from months ago?
it's different than when you have already joined, and there is a code but you don't have a chance to claim it, than when you have joined and there has been a code long time ago. PLUS, that would be a different prize for the other codes, so no, it wouldn't make it fair. 
Private
World famous



Karma wrote:
Wheatley wrote:
Karma wrote:
1 hour.
so when there is an LE code, that person has NO CHANCE to have it.

okay? there'll be plenty of codes in the future too. do new users complain when they missed a code from months ago?
it's different than when you have already joined, and there is a code but you don't have a chance to claim it, than when you have joined and there has been a code long time ago. PLUS, that would be a different prize for the other codes, so no, it wouldn't make it fair. 
That is such a small detail, it's not worth discussing. It doesn't concern you anyway, since you are above that level. I think it's definitely reasonable to have such a limit, and I agree with all the rest of the suggestions, they're needed.
TheWayfaringStranger
Queen of Queens



Snailman wrote:
Wheatley wrote:
Suggested Fixes

Make the following against the rules:

-Claiming a code on a side account for the first 24 hours that the code is up.

-Selling a code set for 48 hours after the code has expired

Make the following impossible to do:
-Claiming codes that aren't for your gender (from what I remember from botw, Kaj made it so that males couldn't accidentally claim female codes, but didn't make it vice versa)

-Claiming a code before an account is Street Musician (that way accounts won't claim a code then go inactive, effectively deleting the item)
if the code is set for the specific gender i think the other gender shouldn't be able to claim it ?  no matter what gender 
I agree. 
Snailman
Streetmusician



TheWayfaringStranger wrote:
Snailman wrote:
Wheatley wrote:
Suggested Fixes

Make the following against the rules:

-Claiming a code on a side account for the first 24 hours that the code is up.

-Selling a code set for 48 hours after the code has expired

Make the following impossible to do:
-Claiming codes that aren't for your gender (from what I remember from botw, Kaj made it so that males couldn't accidentally claim female codes, but didn't make it vice versa)

-Claiming a code before an account is Street Musician (that way accounts won't claim a code then go inactive, effectively deleting the item)
if the code is set for the specific gender i think the other gender shouldn't be able to claim it ?  no matter what gender 
I agree. 
no i mean like ,, i think thats how it is right now ?  i almost accidentely claimed one of my male codes on my main account here and it didn't work since the code was set to male ? 
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BloomCissi wrote:
Karma wrote:
Wheatley wrote:

okay? there'll be plenty of codes in the future too. do new users complain when they missed a code from months ago?
it's different than when you have already joined, and there is a code but you don't have a chance to claim it, than when you have joined and there has been a code long time ago. PLUS, that would be a different prize for the other codes, so no, it wouldn't make it fair. 
That is such a small detail, it's not worth discussing. It doesn't concern you anyway, since you are above that level. I think it's definitely reasonable to have such a limit, and I agree with all the rest of the suggestions, they're needed.
"it's not worth discussing"
sooo, it doesn't matter because i have a higher level and it has nothing to do with me because of that?
excuse me, but what the actual fuck? I still care about the fact that they are NEW and there is NOTHING they can DO ABOUT IT. It's not their freaking fault.

Everybody is worth it u little smartass. 
they have the same fucking right to get the prizes as we do. 
Lotto
Streetmusician



yeah i agree and thats why im here to lvl up and get my items sold off to active male users

(im nama btw)
TheWayfaringStranger
Queen of Queens



Snailman wrote:
TheWayfaringStranger wrote:
Snailman wrote:
if the code is set for the specific gender i think the other gender shouldn't be able to claim it ?  no matter what gender 
I agree. 
no i mean like ,, i think thats how it is right now ?  i almost accidentely claimed one of my male codes on my main account here and it didn't work since the code was set to male ? 

Great! I'm glad to hear that that change was made. 
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