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DR • Using references doesn't mean you're lazy or uncreative009-12-2021 18:32
DR • Copyright and Crediting009-12-2021 18:32
DR • Talent VS Skill009-12-2021 18:30
DR • Design Requests1009-12-2021 18:24
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 ReportDR • Design Requests
This is from the blog series Designer Rant that I wrote on a site that shall not be named and has been re-edited to fit VP (because why not post it here as well, it's not like designing is something this universal).
Please keep in mind, that this is no invitation to talk about the primary source of this posts (I don't want the mods to delete this blog) and that while some of the topics or specific examples might not be completely true or fitting for VP, they certainly can be found on pixel based dress-up games and thus I think them important to get mentioned in the context of VP as well. So, basically, this is designer content but make it commentary from my angry and frustrated mind. (Also thinking about publishing my tutorials I made because some of them just look fucking amazing.)


Welcome to a new series about designing. I hope you guys are along for the ride and love to hear me ramble about a topic for 5 minutes straight, because that's what this is. If you like this format and want more of it, don't hesitate to drop by in the comments; I have ideas for future rants. (This still rings true, I had a bunch more planned and would be willing to write them out if people care for them.)

Today's rant: Design requests

Design requests are a double-edged sword for many designers. On one hand you do want to design what people would love to wear and you want to see people happy (and see wear your stuff, it's the cherry on top of it) and you really want to work on getting the people what they request and truly deserve. But on the other hand, you already know most of the requests will frustrate you to no end.

On one side you have people requesting stuff you don't really want to design, because it's not your style. That's a really easy one to ignore, especially if you have your own request thread where you can tell people to only submit inspo of certain styles.

But then there's the "tiny detail" or "aesthetic" faction. It's great that you feel inspired by stickers on teeth or a coffee mug on a slab of concrete, but that's usually not something a designer can help you with. Many people seem to forget the limitations the base on pixel based dress-up games has when it comes to size. You can't go smaller than a pixel, so many of the tiny details aren't even possible to be made.

And then comes my favourite group of them all: "we need more insert generic term for something that encompasses roughly 3mio variations and different interpretations and we'll get mad for every item that's not the one specific thing we requested". Yeah, I really don't like those. As a general idea it's nice to know people want more for instance male-leaning options, more variation when it comes to skins and faces and a more varied body representation. I agree with all of you, we need more. But ... it's not a helpful request to a designer to keep it at generic terms.

Imagine someone asking you to draw them a car. Your first question is: What car, what colour? Answer: "Doesn't matter, a car is a car, this can't be this difficult, why are you making it so difficult? Just make a car, it's literally so easy." So you make a car. You draw a blue Honda Jazz, because you think it looks cute. And then the person gets mad at you for doing their vision of a red Ferrari injustice. You're ready to smash your head into a wall, right?

Yeah, well that's me half of the time I come across people requesting designs. People say they need more poc representation and claim "just any" would do. But no matter what you do, it won't ever be enough. Not because what you did wasn't good enough or unappreciated, but because it wasn't specifically what they had in mind. But they can't tell you what they had in mind so you can't help them. It sucks for the users to not get what they want, but imagine how much it sucks for the designer to no be able to fulfill a simple request.

How can we all do better in the future so it's not frustrating for anyone anymore?

Well, here's a few ideas on how you can do it:

- Go check which designers have request threads and check out what they usually design.
- Go look for designers who do commissions or just ask someone if they do.
- Have specific requests ready - better yet, have pictures!

Sometimes it even helps to ask a designer personally despite them not having a specific thread. If they have the time and want to help, they'll do. Work with the designer, not against them. Tell them how they could make their designs better and what you'd wish to see from them. Ask for things, ask questions, give additional ideas for variation.

We LOVE input, but you have to give us more than just a random "we need more male clothes", because quite frankly, what even is male fashion at this point?

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MasileinDE wrote on 17-12 11:16:
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Ouch wrote:
I ask for design requests sometimes but I think I usually say that I will not do it exactly like the pic, cus I don't take any money for it, cus if I did I would just feel kind of bad if it wasn't made how they would like it uknow lol. When ppl just post pics without paying me, I have more freedom and can make it how I like, so that is nice 
Omg, yes, I agree. Even when not taking any money for it, I'm sometimes like "I know I can't measure up to what they want, how will I manage to make this". So in the past 3 years, I often only took explicit requests from people I knew who liked my style and were having requests specifically for me, because I knew that I'd have to fuck up really bad for them to be disappointed by the outcome.
But I think since my experiences on the site that shall not be named, I definitely understand the logistics of commissions a bit more and agree with the liberties you feel yourself when not making things for other users.
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MasileinDE wrote on 17-12 11:14:
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Angelica wrote:
Ever since my first design request forum and you commented on the pixel restraint, i have thought that into what i link. I feel like requesting something generally in the line of what a designer makes in the first place, should be obvious. Like i don't think i would ever go to someone like you and ask for a robot, alien, fairy, because i know that is generally not your go to.
Yeah, I think many people really don't think about the pixel restraint if they don't design themselves, because it's just not something you have to "think" about when not designing. It's just due to lack of knowledge about it and rarely out of malice. But it's still frustrating for designers when you have users who really want something and you know it's just impossible from a pure logistics standpoint and you then have to break to them, that they will never ever have what they want. Kinda feels like you're the one ruining something for them.
I kinda appreciate and hate generalised requests. On one hand I'm very much thankful to be able to still decide within my own style and preferred items on what to prioritise. On the other hand, I do know that doing my own thing can limit very much the reach my designs have since there is a bunch of people who will not wear them simply because from a fashion standpoint it's not their cup of tea. So whenever I just want to come out with something that's more sales oriented and less self-indulgent, I personally prefer a "hey, please do this and exactly this, thanks" over "we're missing *general idea of something*"
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Private wrote on 10-12 19:47:
Ouch wrote:
I ask for design requests sometimes but I think I usually say that I will not do it exactly like the pic, cus I don't take any money for it, cus if I did I would just feel kind of bad if it wasn't made how they would like it uknow lol. When ppl just post pics without paying me, I have more freedom and can make it how I like, so that is nice 
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Private wrote on 10-12 15:22:
Rotte wrote:
Tbf i have requested more general things tho, like more blue clothing or a specific kind of clothing. That is never targeted at one designer thought
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Private wrote on 10-12 15:19:
Rotte wrote:
Ever since my first design request forum and you commented on the pixel restraint, i have thought that into what i link. I feel like requesting something generally in the line of what a designer makes in the first place, should be obvious. Like i don't think i would ever go to someone like you and ask for a robot, alien, fairy, because i know that is generally not your go to.
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MasileinDE wrote on 09-12 19:45:
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Bimbo wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Bimbo wrote:
The main reason I hate design requests is because I always know I won't be able to design that item properly and give that person what they want, but it sucks not being able to help them get that item ig
same especially if it's an item where I have myself a really high expectation towards or feel like another designer would do it way better justice
That's where I'm at all the time, I always think that some other designer who designs better than me should do this, and then I just fuck around with my own nonsense in my designs haha
honestly though, if it's non-directed requests (like just a random thread of someone asking), I sometimes feel inclined to give it a try. I never have to show it to anyone if I feel like I failed miserably :d but it certainly helps in being a bit more self-assured in my skills or even getting a bit more practice with designs that aren't specifically in my wheelhouse
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Bimbo wrote on 09-12 19:36:
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MasileinDE wrote:
Bimbo wrote:
The main reason I hate design requests is because I always know I won't be able to design that item properly and give that person what they want, but it sucks not being able to help them get that item ig
same especially if it's an item where I have myself a really high expectation towards or feel like another designer would do it way better justice
That's where I'm at all the time, I always think that some other designer who designs better than me should do this, and then I just fuck around with my own nonsense in my designs haha
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MasileinDE wrote on 09-12 19:32:
MasileinDE wrote:
Bimbo wrote:
The main reason I hate design requests is because I always know I won't be able to design that item properly and give that person what they want, but it sucks not being able to help them get that item ig
same :d especially if it's an item where I have myself a really high expectation towards or feel like another designer would do it way better justice
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Bimbo wrote on 09-12 19:30:
Bimbo wrote:
The main reason I hate design requests is because I always know I won't be able to design that item properly and give that person what they want, but it sucks not being able to help them get that item ig
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MasileinDE wrote on 09-12 18:52:
MasileinDE wrote:
Nesta wrote:
me walking the line with closed eyes and hoping I don't trip :d