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Snusmumrikken wrote:
Moss wrote:
Petite wrote:
And I totally agree, it's important for everyone to know that there are such huge differences, even in Norway. Like I have far from been exposed to the reality enough during my upbringing 
I'm by no means struggling economically, which I'm grateful for, and I have friends who's both better and worse off than me. However, I grew up attending primary school with students who had parents with VERY stable economies. To this day, one of them still won't spare me a glance if I see her on the streets. 
It's sad that the majority of the Norwegian population aren't aware of the fact that there are people struggling financially and living from paycheck to paycheck (as snus said). This is especially true for children.

There was (maybe still is) an ad on tv for festive national outfits (festdrakter from OBS I think), where the mother is telling her children to lie about them being true national outfits (bunads). This ad have had me in RAGE since it first aired.
No child should EVER have to lie about the economic choices their parents have to make, because it should be common knowledge that not everyone can afford bunads and parajumpers. Children should be taught that this is OK, and should be respected.
Growing up with people who'd shit on others for having last year's edition of a parajumper (for 7k NOK I dare point out), because their own parents would buy them a new one every year, was a struggle for many of my classmates with parents of lower income. My mother even knew other parents who had to sow the tag of expensive brands onto H&M t-shirts in order to prevent their kids from being bullied at school.
That ad, I think it's because people raise their children thinking nothing but the most expensive is okay so the mother wants their children to be able to talk back if someone says something. I'm not sure tho. 
Maybe I haven't watched it properly because it annoys me too much, but I'm in rage because some people actually have to lie about those things in order to be accepted in our society
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Moss wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
Moss wrote:
I'm by no means struggling economically, which I'm grateful for, and I have friends who's both better and worse off than me. However, I grew up attending primary school with students who had parents with VERY stable economies. To this day, one of them still won't spare me a glance if I see her on the streets. 
It's sad that the majority of the Norwegian population aren't aware of the fact that there are people struggling financially and living from paycheck to paycheck (as snus said). This is especially true for children.

There was (maybe still is) an ad on tv for festive national outfits (festdrakter from OBS I think), where the mother is telling her children to lie about them being true national outfits (bunads). This ad have had me in RAGE since it first aired.
No child should EVER have to lie about the economic choices their parents have to make, because it should be common knowledge that not everyone can afford bunads and parajumpers. Children should be taught that this is OK, and should be respected.
Growing up with people who'd shit on others for having last year's edition of a parajumper (for 7k NOK I dare point out), because their own parents would buy them a new one every year, was a struggle for many of my classmates with parents of lower income. My mother even knew other parents who had to sow the tag of expensive brands onto H&M t-shirts in order to prevent their kids from being bullied at school.
That ad, I think it's because people raise their children thinking nothing but the most expensive is okay so the mother wants their children to be able to talk back if someone says something. I'm not sure tho. 
Maybe I haven't watched it properly because it annoys me too much, but I'm in rage because some people actually have to lie about those things in order to be accepted in our society
Maybe, but that's just one of the things that I perceive as fundamentally wrong with Norway. People are ignorant assholes who care more about appearance and passing as fortunate than anything. My dad told me about a neighbour he had had in the early 90s, who would rather buy expensive clothes to her children than to buy proper food for them. So something's obviously wrong. 
Moss
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Snusmumrikken wrote:
Moss wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
Maybe, but that's just one of the things that I perceive as fundamentally wrong with Norway. People are ignorant assholes who care more about appearance and passing as fortunate than anything. My dad told me about a neighbour he had had in the early 90s, who would rather buy expensive clothes to her children than to buy proper food for them. So something's obviously wrong. 
Exactly. Norwegians are way too focused on appearance and showing off fortune. It really bugs me that schools, teachers and parents don't spend more time trying to teach children about different economic situations. I'm glad you are willing to use your own situation as an example to raise awareness
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Moss wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
Moss wrote:
Maybe, but that's just one of the things that I perceive as fundamentally wrong with Norway. People are ignorant assholes who care more about appearance and passing as fortunate than anything. My dad told me about a neighbour he had had in the early 90s, who would rather buy expensive clothes to her children than to buy proper food for them. So something's obviously wrong. 
Exactly. Norwegians are way too focused on appearance and showing off fortune. It really bugs me that schools, teachers and parents don't spend more time trying to teach children about different economic situations. I'm glad you are willing to use your own situation as an example to raise awareness
It's without a doubt sad, unfortunately people are rarely willing to hear. I mean, we've had a horrible government for waaaaaaaaay too long now so it only gets worse. 
Apterygidae
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Time to work on the M&M Gang edit if photoshop is nice today lol
Moss
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Snusmumrikken wrote:
Moss wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
Maybe, but that's just one of the things that I perceive as fundamentally wrong with Norway. People are ignorant assholes who care more about appearance and passing as fortunate than anything. My dad told me about a neighbour he had had in the early 90s, who would rather buy expensive clothes to her children than to buy proper food for them. So something's obviously wrong. 
Exactly. Norwegians are way too focused on appearance and showing off fortune. It really bugs me that schools, teachers and parents don't spend more time trying to teach children about different economic situations. I'm glad you are willing to use your own situation as an example to raise awareness
It's without a doubt sad, unfortunately people are rarely willing to hear. I mean, we've had a horrible government for waaaaaaaaay too long now so it only gets worse. 
very true that.. ugh.
and people think we're perfect ha ha
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Moss wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
Moss wrote:
Exactly. Norwegians are way too focused on appearance and showing off fortune. It really bugs me that schools, teachers and parents don't spend more time trying to teach children about different economic situations. I'm glad you are willing to use your own situation as an example to raise awareness
It's without a doubt sad, unfortunately people are rarely willing to hear. I mean, we've had a horrible government for waaaaaaaaay too long now so it only gets worse. 
very true that.. ugh.
and people think we're perfect ha ha
Far from it, the world is very unjust 
Atencia
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Snusmumrikken wrote:
Moss wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
That ad, I think it's because people raise their children thinking nothing but the most expensive is okay so the mother wants their children to be able to talk back if someone says something. I'm not sure tho. 
Maybe I haven't watched it properly because it annoys me too much, but I'm in rage because some people actually have to lie about those things in order to be accepted in our society
Maybe, but that's just one of the things that I perceive as fundamentally wrong with Norway. People are ignorant assholes who care more about appearance and passing as fortunate than anything. My dad told me about a neighbour he had had in the early 90s, who would rather buy expensive clothes to her children than to buy proper food for them. So something's obviously wrong. 
this tho. I've known people who struggle to pay their rent every month, but still think it's important to have the newest whatever it is at all times just to show off

the summer before my little bother started vgs he spent so much time cleaning out his closet from h&m t-shits because he though that if he showed up at school with a t-shirt that costed less than 1k kr, he would not be accepted there.. which is just really sad 
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Petite wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
Moss wrote:
Maybe I haven't watched it properly because it annoys me too much, but I'm in rage because some people actually have to lie about those things in order to be accepted in our society
Maybe, but that's just one of the things that I perceive as fundamentally wrong with Norway. People are ignorant assholes who care more about appearance and passing as fortunate than anything. My dad told me about a neighbour he had had in the early 90s, who would rather buy expensive clothes to her children than to buy proper food for them. So something's obviously wrong. 
this tho. I've known people who struggle to pay their rent every month, but still think it's important to have the newest whatever it is at all times just to show off

the summer before my little bother started vgs he spent so much time cleaning out his closet from h&m t-shits because he though that if he showed up at school with a t-shirt that costed less than 1k kr, he would not be accepted there.. which is just really sad 
I'm too busy stressing about whether I have enough money for food that to care about how I look tbh
Moss
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Apterygidae wrote:
Time to work on the M&M Gang edit if photoshop is nice today lol
swEEt n dangeorus 
Atencia
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Snusmumrikken wrote:
Petite wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
I don't think a lot of people have, my professors in uni have the nerve to say there is no such thing as working class in Norway and that's surprisingly ignorant for me. My mother lives on paycheck to paycheck, she frequently have to borrow money because she doesn't get the ends to meet. The reason of her economic struggle is that she is renting, so is my father. Renting is extremely expensive, and not worth it at all. But if you don't have money to save up to the egenandel, you won't get a loan anyway so it's forever pretty much. 
wait, your professors actually made that statement? 
that must be extremely hard, to live under those conditions 
Yeah, or more that there are no differences between the working class and the middle class, which is beyond ignorant actually. 
It's the reality I've grown up with, it's not necessarily something I would recommend but for me that's just how things are. What's more hopeless is that the more fortunate people only know each other so it's hard to get jobs because you don't necessarily have the connections for it either so haha yeah I'm permanently fucked pretty much. 
oh wow, that is just a very ignorant thing to say. 
I might be ignorant and uneducated on the situation, but how I've been thought is that if you're able to get the right education and work your way up to what you want, your parents economical status shouldn't have to define you for the rest of your life 
Private
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Petite wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
Petite wrote:
wait, your professors actually made that statement? 
that must be extremely hard, to live under those conditions 
Yeah, or more that there are no differences between the working class and the middle class, which is beyond ignorant actually. 
It's the reality I've grown up with, it's not necessarily something I would recommend but for me that's just how things are. What's more hopeless is that the more fortunate people only know each other so it's hard to get jobs because you don't necessarily have the connections for it either so haha yeah I'm permanently fucked pretty much. 
oh wow, that is just a very ignorant thing to say. 
I might be ignorant and uneducated on the situation, but how I've been thought is that if you're able to get the right education and work your way up to what you want, your parents economical status shouldn't have to define you for the rest of your life 
People underestimate the value of a network. Even after I've gotten a degree in uni I doubt I'll get a job tbh, I don't know people so no one can recommend me or anything like that. And of course, not ever having had a job before will not look good. 
Apterygidae
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Moss wrote:
Apterygidae wrote:
Time to work on the M&M Gang edit if photoshop is nice today lol
swEEt n dangeorus 
Yes I will add that 
Atencia
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Snusmumrikken wrote:
Petite wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
Yeah, or more that there are no differences between the working class and the middle class, which is beyond ignorant actually. 
It's the reality I've grown up with, it's not necessarily something I would recommend but for me that's just how things are. What's more hopeless is that the more fortunate people only know each other so it's hard to get jobs because you don't necessarily have the connections for it either so haha yeah I'm permanently fucked pretty much. 
oh wow, that is just a very ignorant thing to say. 
I might be ignorant and uneducated on the situation, but how I've been thought is that if you're able to get the right education and work your way up to what you want, your parents economical status shouldn't have to define you for the rest of your life 
People underestimate the value of a network. Even after I've gotten a degree in uni I doubt I'll get a job tbh, I don't know people so no one can recommend me or anything like that. And of course, not ever having had a job before will not look good. 
For part time jobs, yes, knowing someone is extremely important to get your foot inside, but for actual full time jobs based on education?? Like I haven't had any jobs myself either yet, I've recently dropped out of uni, and I'm trying to pursue a career in dance before I moving on to something "normal"... so if network is as important as you say, then I'm definitely fucked too
Private
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Petite wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
Petite wrote:
oh wow, that is just a very ignorant thing to say. 
I might be ignorant and uneducated on the situation, but how I've been thought is that if you're able to get the right education and work your way up to what you want, your parents economical status shouldn't have to define you for the rest of your life 
People underestimate the value of a network. Even after I've gotten a degree in uni I doubt I'll get a job tbh, I don't know people so no one can recommend me or anything like that. And of course, not ever having had a job before will not look good. 
For part time jobs, yes, knowing someone is extremely important to get your foot inside, but for actual full time jobs based on education?? Like I haven't had any jobs myself either yet, I've recently dropped out of uni, and I'm trying to pursue a career in dance before I moving on to something "normal"... so if network is as important as you say, then I'm definitely fucked too
That's just the impression I've got. I don't know. I'm demotivated, I'm only in uni because I have no skills. 
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