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Utdatert wrote:

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Utdatert wrote:
Ok but what if we stopped buying things from for instance China? The people who work to make cheap clothes will not have anything to live off because they basically live to produce cheap items to sell to international customers. People buy and eat meat and if everyone stops doing that the farmers will have a huge problem as well because they have too many animals now, and they were dependent on the fact that people bought their meat. Now the farmers would have cows that will get fake pregnant and milk that is going to waste, because everyone is going vegan these days. The world somehow goes around like this. The world is and has always been constantly evolving and changinh, slowly but surely. It was made like idk a trillion years ago (dont come for me on this cuz i have no idea) and it has evolved since then. It used to be dinosaurs and then monkeys. The dinosaurs died and the monkeythings turned into humanbeings. That is already because of a (climate) change. Our world will keep on evolving and changing. Maybe faster than people had imagines, but it will happen no matter what humans try to do to stop it. We have known about this matter for years. Our grandparents and parents knew about this, and its not our new generations responsibility to take action. It was going to happen sooner or later. Everything changes. No one freaked out about this in 2008? Why not? Now that is 2019 people suddenly act like they have 1 second left to live before the world explodes. It wont.

But do you seriously believe everyone would stop eating meat overnight? that's a pretty weak argument. if it happened over a long period of time (as it would if that would ever happen) demand would go down slowly they wouldnt suddenly be stuck with a farm full of animals and no one to sell to bc why would they make sure they have so many animals when the demand doesnt cover that
and even if no one ate meat we would still need farmers so idgi

No i was thinking more in long term when I wrote that

yea but then i dont think it makes sense
how could they have "too many animals" if demand goes down slowly? why would they keep bringing in new animals

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absintjente wrote:
to elaborate on the straw debate:
i think it is stupid to outlaw, because disabled people need them to drink. and yes, sometimes a disposable plastic straw can be switched out for another form of straw, but disabilities are not one size fits all, and for some people a plastic straw is the only viable option. furthermore, it is downright disgusting how servers in restaurants suddenly has gotten the right to decide who is or who isnt disabled enough to be granted a drinking straw.

i think the straw debate is a dumb scapegoat, and if people really cared that much about pollution in the oceans, they would also advocate as heavily for regulations of the fishing industries plastic fishing nets, or they would cut out fish. but cutting out fish is a bigger lifestyle change than not buying straws, and people are lazy and irresponsible.

It is far from perfect, and I also very much support that disabled people should have access to plastic straws. Preferably that people also are working towards working substitutes that aren't plastic. As long as that doesn't exist, sustainability doesn't outrun health.

I think the straw debate has been good as well because it got people to acknowledge that there is a plastic problem. Obviously, plastic derives from the oil\gass industry so I'm assuming some heavy lobbying against it. To get politicians to actually put something into action to try and prevent it (still sorta blaming the consumer) is at least a step in the right direction, though far from perfect. I would like to see them try to ban fishing equipment, lol, that industry is so powerful until we empty the sea of fish. Maybe that'd be a solution, lol. BUT there are fishers that are working on technology to ideally lower the plastic pollution caused by industrial fishing (46% or so, if I remember correctly.) Maybe there's some hope somewhere, but capitalism reigns.

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Cedence wrote:

absintjente wrote:
to elaborate on the straw debate:
i think it is stupid to outlaw, because disabled people need them to drink. and yes, sometimes a disposable plastic straw can be switched out for another form of straw, but disabilities are not one size fits all, and for some people a plastic straw is the only viable option. furthermore, it is downright disgusting how servers in restaurants suddenly has gotten the right to decide who is or who isnt disabled enough to be granted a drinking straw.

i think the straw debate is a dumb scapegoat, and if people really cared that much about pollution in the oceans, they would also advocate as heavily for regulations of the fishing industries plastic fishing nets, or they would cut out fish. but cutting out fish is a bigger lifestyle change than not buying straws, and people are lazy and irresponsible.

It is far from perfect, and I also very much support that disabled people should have access to plastic straws. Preferably that people also are working towards working substitutes that aren't plastic. As long as that doesn't exist, sustainability doesn't outrun health.

I think the straw debate has been good as well because it got people to acknowledge that there is a plastic problem. Obviously, plastic derives from the oil\gass industry so I'm assuming some heavy lobbying against it. To get politicians to actually put something into action to try and prevent it (still sorta blaming the consumer) is at least a step in the right direction, though far from perfect. I would like to see them try to ban fishing equipment, lol, that industry is so powerful until we empty the sea of fish. Maybe that'd be a solution, lol. BUT there are fishers that are working on technology to ideally lower the plastic pollution caused by industrial fishing (46% or so, if I remember correctly.) Maybe there's some hope somewhere, but capitalism reigns.

i don't think necessarily banning fishing equipment is necessary, though. i saw someone suggest "pant" on fishing nets, and that would discourage a lot of just letting the nets drift asea.
its just so frustrating to see ppl hate plastic straws, while still taking no further action against plastic pollution.

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absintjente wrote:

Cedence wrote:

absintjente wrote:
to elaborate on the straw debate:
i think it is stupid to outlaw, because disabled people need them to drink. and yes, sometimes a disposable plastic straw can be switched out for another form of straw, but disabilities are not one size fits all, and for some people a plastic straw is the only viable option. furthermore, it is downright disgusting how servers in restaurants suddenly has gotten the right to decide who is or who isnt disabled enough to be granted a drinking straw.

i think the straw debate is a dumb scapegoat, and if people really cared that much about pollution in the oceans, they would also advocate as heavily for regulations of the fishing industries plastic fishing nets, or they would cut out fish. but cutting out fish is a bigger lifestyle change than not buying straws, and people are lazy and irresponsible.

It is far from perfect, and I also very much support that disabled people should have access to plastic straws. Preferably that people also are working towards working substitutes that aren't plastic. As long as that doesn't exist, sustainability doesn't outrun health.

I think the straw debate has been good as well because it got people to acknowledge that there is a plastic problem. Obviously, plastic derives from the oil\gass industry so I'm assuming some heavy lobbying against it. To get politicians to actually put something into action to try and prevent it (still sorta blaming the consumer) is at least a step in the right direction, though far from perfect. I would like to see them try to ban fishing equipment, lol, that industry is so powerful until we empty the sea of fish. Maybe that'd be a solution, lol. BUT there are fishers that are working on technology to ideally lower the plastic pollution caused by industrial fishing (46% or so, if I remember correctly.) Maybe there's some hope somewhere, but capitalism reigns.

i don't think necessarily banning fishing equipment is necessary, though. i saw someone suggest "pant" on fishing nets, and that would discourage a lot of just letting the nets drift asea.
its just so frustrating to see ppl hate plastic straws, while still taking no further action against plastic pollution.

Pant seems like a fine idea. It would encourage people to be more responsible.
Yeah, totally. It's so fun (read: not fun at all) when people proudly front their reusable straw but has a plastic cup and lid beside it. They removed like maybe 3% (?) from their consumption of that one on-the-go drinks. There's so easy to just bring your own cup, eliminating all the plastic that you can from that order. As long as you are able to, people should at least try.

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absintjente wrote:

Cedence wrote:

absintjente wrote:

Cedence wrote:
It is far from perfect, and I also very much support that disabled people should have access to plastic straws. Preferably that people also are working towards working substitutes that aren't plastic. As long as that doesn't exist, sustainability doesn't outrun health.

I think the straw debate has been good as well because it got people to acknowledge that there is a plastic problem. Obviously, plastic derives from the oil\gass industry so I'm assuming some heavy lobbying against it. To get politicians to actually put something into action to try and prevent it (still sorta blaming the consumer) is at least a step in the right direction, though far from perfect. I would like to see them try to ban fishing equipment, lol, that industry is so powerful until we empty the sea of fish. Maybe that'd be a solution, lol. BUT there are fishers that are working on technology to ideally lower the plastic pollution caused by industrial fishing (46% or so, if I remember correctly.) Maybe there's some hope somewhere, but capitalism reigns.

i don't think necessarily banning fishing equipment is necessary, though. i saw someone suggest "pant" on fishing nets, and that would discourage a lot of just letting the nets drift asea.
its just so frustrating to see ppl hate plastic straws, while still taking no further action against plastic pollution.

Pant seems like a fine idea. It would encourage people to be more responsible.
Yeah, totally. It's so fun (read: not fun at all) when people proudly front their reusable straw but has a plastic cup and lid beside it. They removed like maybe 3% (?) from their consumption of that one on-the-go drinks. There's so easy to just bring your own cup, eliminating all the plastic that you can from that order. As long as you are able to, people should at least try.

ugh i was so close to snapping when my friend suddenly got climate anxiety one day n spammed me with msgs n i said something like "ugh, i rly hate thinking about it" and she responded with "theres no use in not thinking abt it"
n all i could think was "then stop eating meat for every single meal.....". talk the talk n walk the walk

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absintjente wrote:

Cedence wrote:

absintjente wrote:
i don't think necessarily banning fishing equipment is necessary, though. i saw someone suggest "pant" on fishing nets, and that would discourage a lot of just letting the nets drift asea.
its just so frustrating to see ppl hate plastic straws, while still taking no further action against plastic pollution.

Pant seems like a fine idea. It would encourage people to be more responsible.
Yeah, totally. It's so fun (read: not fun at all) when people proudly front their reusable straw but has a plastic cup and lid beside it. They removed like maybe 3% (?) from their consumption of that one on-the-go drinks. There's so easy to just bring your own cup, eliminating all the plastic that you can from that order. As long as you are able to, people should at least try.

ugh i was so close to snapping when my friend suddenly got climate anxiety one day n spammed me with msgs n i said something like "ugh, i rly hate thinking about it" and she responded with "theres no use in not thinking abt it"
n all i could think was "then stop eating meat for every single meal.....". talk the talk n walk the walk

I wish the media made it easier to come across what you personally can do to help prevent climate change. I just learned it last year after discovering the zero waste movement, and that was something I'd been waiting for for years. People normally just say something like: "drive less, turn off the lights, eat less red meat." So unpersonal it never made me eager to do anything but turn off the lights. While driving less and eating less meat is particularly important for climate change, there's also so much more one can do to help better the environment. :/

There was an article in the paper a few weeks back about kids\teens having so much climate anxiety they developed an anxiety disorder around it.

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To spike further discussion:
If you take into consideration the lifestyle changes zero waste (or similar lifestyles) would require, do you think it would have a more positive or negative effect on human beings?

Also, guys, just open up a dialogue related to anything sustainability if you want in this topic!

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Hennastii wrote:

Cedence wrote:
To spike further discussion:
If you take into consideration the lifestyle changes zero waste (or similar lifestyles) would require, do you think it would have a more positive or negative effect on human beings?

Also, guys, just open up a dialogue related to anything sustainability if you want in this topic!

i feel like it would have more positive effects than negative ones

zero waste requires some work at this point, but if more people would turn to zero waste lifestyle and the society would notice it, maybe it would be easier to practice zero waste on our daily lives (maybe some changes to packaging, more effective recycling accessible to all areas etc.)

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Hennastii wrote:

Cedence wrote:
To spike further discussion:
If you take into consideration the lifestyle changes zero waste (or similar lifestyles) would require, do you think it would have a more positive or negative effect on human beings?

Also, guys, just open up a dialogue related to anything sustainability if you want in this topic!

i feel like it would have more positive effects than negative ones

zero waste requires some work at this point, but if more people would turn to zero waste lifestyle and the society would notice it, maybe it would be easier to practice zero waste on our daily lives (maybe some changes to packaging, more effective recycling accessible to all areas etc.)

I think all lifestyle changes require work, but it is true that society is currently working against a zero-waste lifestyle. I've come to look at "zero" as the ideal, the goal, but it is hard, if not impossible, to acquire in today's economic structure. The base of the zero waste moment how I understand it is initially to change how corporations works - to create a circular structure rather than a linear one where things are created with waste as an end product.

I agree that I think it would have more benefits than disadvantages for people. I especially think the way it forces you to eat healthier, live slower and more mindful of what you consume and spend your time on are important aspects of it. Something I think today's society can benefit from. People are in a constant hurry, always desiring more, and getting sick from that constant hurrying and not having time to properly look after themselves. Thought the want of more (hoarding in a sort) is a relatively primal human way to assure survival. That you don't run out of the resources you need. Generally speaking, a great deal of the western world have surpassed need and am neck-deep into desire + advertisements, capitalism, etc. as drive forces.

As a baseline, I think it could help improve a lot of people's life quality.

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Hennastii wrote:

Cedence wrote:

Hennastii wrote:

Cedence wrote:
To spike further discussion:
If you take into consideration the lifestyle changes zero waste (or similar lifestyles) would require, do you think it would have a more positive or negative effect on human beings?

Also, guys, just open up a dialogue related to anything sustainability if you want in this topic!

i feel like it would have more positive effects than negative ones

zero waste requires some work at this point, but if more people would turn to zero waste lifestyle and the society would notice it, maybe it would be easier to practice zero waste on our daily lives (maybe some changes to packaging, more effective recycling accessible to all areas etc.)

I think all lifestyle changes require work, but it is true that society is currently working against a zero-waste lifestyle. I've come to look at "zero" as the ideal, the goal, but it is hard, if not impossible, to acquire in today's economic structure. The base of the zero waste moment how I understand it is initially to change how corporations works - to create a circular structure rather than a linear one where things are created with waste as an end product.

I agree that I think it would have more benefits than disadvantages for people. I especially think the way it forces you to eat healthier, live slower and more mindful of what you consume and spend your time on are important aspects of it. Something I think today's society can benefit from. People are in a constant hurry, always desiring more, and getting sick from that constant hurrying and not having time to properly look after themselves. Thought the want of more (hoarding in a sort) is a relatively primal human way to assure survival. That you don't run out of the resources you need. Generally speaking, a great deal of the western world have surpassed need and am neck-deep into desire + advertisements, capitalism, etc. as drive forces.

As a baseline, I think it could help improve a lot of people's life quality.

yeah, it's true that every single (healthy?) lifestyle requires some extra work, but i feel like zero waste really requires focus and energy etc. (as it is impossible not to make any waste at all, even those who live zero waste life produce at least some small parts of litter)

i really agree, all the rush and the need of being online and present 24/7 creates so much stress and pressures and even illnesses in today's society that it would really benefit us to slow down and focus on certain things, in this case living a zero waste lifestyle would affect on our lives in many ways - including the more healthier diet, mindfulness etc.

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ik this has nothing to do w the thread whatsoever but i always read the title as climax anxiety and then wonder if that’s actually a thing

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Josten wrote:
ik this has nothing to do w the thread whatsoever but i always read the title as climax anxiety and then wonder if that’s actually a thing

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Josten wrote:
ik this has nothing to do w the thread whatsoever but i always read the title as climax anxiety and then wonder if that’s actually a thing

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Hennastii wrote:

Cedence wrote:

Hennastii wrote:
i feel like it would have more positive effects than negative ones

zero waste requires some work at this point, but if more people would turn to zero waste lifestyle and the society would notice it, maybe it would be easier to practice zero waste on our daily lives (maybe some changes to packaging, more effective recycling accessible to all areas etc.)

I think all lifestyle changes require work, but it is true that society is currently working against a zero-waste lifestyle. I've come to look at "zero" as the ideal, the goal, but it is hard, if not impossible, to acquire in today's economic structure. The base of the zero waste moment how I understand it is initially to change how corporations works - to create a circular structure rather than a linear one where things are created with waste as an end product.

I agree that I think it would have more benefits than disadvantages for people. I especially think the way it forces you to eat healthier, live slower and more mindful of what you consume and spend your time on are important aspects of it. Something I think today's society can benefit from. People are in a constant hurry, always desiring more, and getting sick from that constant hurrying and not having time to properly look after themselves. Thought the want of more (hoarding in a sort) is a relatively primal human way to assure survival. That you don't run out of the resources you need. Generally speaking, a great deal of the western world have surpassed need and am neck-deep into desire + advertisements, capitalism, etc. as drive forces.

As a baseline, I think it could help improve a lot of people's life quality.

yeah, it's true that every single (healthy?) lifestyle requires some extra work, but i feel like zero waste really requires focus and energy etc. (as it is impossible not to make any waste at all, even those who live zero waste life produce at least some small parts of litter)

i really agree, all the rush and the need of being online and present 24/7 creates so much stress and pressures and even illnesses in today's society that it would really benefit us to slow down and focus on certain things, in this case living a zero waste lifestyle would affect on our lives in many ways - including the more healthier diet, mindfulness etc.

Surely if you want to do it the best you can! It would take time to make the changes and work with yourself to change things you've always done another way. I think much of it is a slow process. Even some of the most influential personas in zero waste make "mistakes" or have circumstances out of their control.

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I don't want this topic to die