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Arthema wrote:

Aske wrote:

Abby wrote:
poland picked their singer as well

is the polish broadcaster allergic to listening to their own population this is last year all over again help

yeeeep
It's such a shame it happened now because I bet that with a little bit of more time maybe they would've changed ppl working there because it was all people working with the previous government and yuck

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Arthema wrote:

Meowmere wrote:

Abby wrote:

poland picked their singer as well

I thought this will be picked

such a miss what the fuuuck
Luna ain't bad but Justyna aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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Babel wrote:

Sylvan wrote:
I'm not feeling it tbh. My country will most certainly come in last again anyway and with all the controversy surrounding it I don't look forward to it much this year.

I think the countries that are automatically in the final are hurt by it honestly.

I'm honestly hoping Israel just will be booed out in the semi and not go to the final, but I am afraid of the jury.

I remember Russia after the Krim invasion and they got so many boos from the audience, so I think it'll just be that repeated.

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Arthema wrote:
Someone made a cover for the Ukrainian entry in Polish and I love how people can make such covers with good translations, a great way to spread the song and share it with people that might not understand it but would want to

makes me remember that the whole purpose of Eurovision is to share the love for music and all through well... music

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Babel wrote:

Abby wrote:
Someone made a cover for the Ukrainian entry in Polish and I love how people can make such covers with good translations, a great way to spread the song and share it with people that might not understand it but would want to

makes me remember that the whole purpose of Eurovision is to share the love for music and all through well... music

That's so nice ! I love what eurovision stands for, but practically it's hard to remove politics, when people represent whole "countries". Might've been easier if we kept some culture and such in the songs, idk

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Arthema wrote:

Babel wrote:

Abby wrote:
Someone made a cover for the Ukrainian entry in Polish and I love how people can make such covers with good translations, a great way to spread the song and share it with people that might not understand it but would want to

makes me remember that the whole purpose of Eurovision is to share the love for music and all through well... music

That's so nice ! I love what eurovision stands for, but practically it's hard to remove politics, when people represent whole "countries". Might've been easier if we kept some culture and such in the songs, idk

I do not know if eurovision was ever not political but I wish it wasn't because I see it as the dumbest thing to take 1 person and staple the actions of a government on them, unless they do not condemn or agree with said actions, then I'd tomato them myself lol

yeah might've been but in reality it is harder to implement I guess

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Babel wrote:

Abby wrote:

Babel wrote:

Abby wrote:
Someone made a cover for the Ukrainian entry in Polish and I love how people can make such covers with good translations, a great way to spread the song and share it with people that might not understand it but would want to

makes me remember that the whole purpose of Eurovision is to share the love for music and all through well... music

That's so nice ! I love what eurovision stands for, but practically it's hard to remove politics, when people represent whole "countries". Might've been easier if we kept some culture and such in the songs, idk

I do not know if eurovision was ever not political but I wish it wasn't because I see it as the dumbest thing to take 1 person and staple the actions of a government on them, unless they do not condemn or agree with said actions, then I'd tomato them myself lol

yeah might've been but in reality it is harder to implement I guess

I also feel like it's kinda weird.
i do think states should be held accountable for their actions, and I understand participating in a competition representing a country is hard to make non-political too though.

From a viewer POV, i do think it's weird to not remove controversial countries from the competition too though, because the audience will usually react to political controversies, which changes the mood from togetherness to differentness too.

but it's hard to walk the line. Especially when you know azerbaijan has done atrocious things as well, but no one's talking about banning them.

with that said; seeing the song Israel has chosen, I hope they are taken out of the competition, because it really is political now.

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Aske wrote:
on one hand it seems paradoxical for a country currently involved in an armed conflict or otherwise conducting themselves in a way that flies in the face of everything esc stands for to be included in a contest created to celebrated peace and unity, but esc really isnt a contest between states and contestants arent government representatives. in theory at least, in some cases thats probably debatable but i digress.
politics can never be fully removed when country names are involved and when the winning country gets to host next years competition, fair enough, but just because a state is up to no good does not mean that said countrys public broadcaster is not allegible to take part. that depends on the broadcaster. it also doesnt mean that the country, people and culture is not worthy of celebration, which should be the most obvious thing ever but somehow it's not.

so in the case of israel, as long as KAN is an ebu member allegible for participation, they will be and should be allowed to take part. that goes for belarus and azerbaijan and whoever else people have issues with too.
but as it turns out KAN has made it very simple this year, and i hope they dont let it pass as theyve done w ukraine in past
theyre fully aware that they crossed a line w this and the fact they they are doing it anyways and plan on refusing to go along w it if ebu requests a change is fucking pathetic im sorry, play by the rules or face the consequenses bye

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Aske wrote:
.. i forgot punctuation and grammar i had to add some back in

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Arthema wrote:

Aske wrote:
on one hand it seems paradoxical for a country currently involved in an armed conflict or otherwise conducting themselves in a way that flies in the face of everything esc stands for to be included in a contest created to celebrated peace and unity, but esc really isnt a contest between states and contestants arent government representatives. in theory at least, in some cases thats probably debatable but i digress.
politics can never be fully removed when country names are involved and when the winning country gets to host next years competition, fair enough, but just because a state is up to no good does not mean that said countrys public broadcaster is not allegible to take part. that depends on the broadcaster. it also doesnt mean that the country, people and culture is not worthy of celebration, which should be the most obvious thing ever but somehow it's not.

so in the case of israel, as long as KAN is an ebu member allegible for participation, they will be and should be allowed to take part. that goes for belarus and azerbaijan and whoever else people have issues with too.
but as it turns out KAN has made it very simple this year, and i hope they dont let it pass as theyve done w ukraine in past
theyre fully aware that they crossed a line w this and the fact they they are doing it anyways and plan on refusing to go along w it if ebu requests a change is fucking pathetic im sorry, play by the rules or face the consequenses bye

HUH
well in that case bringing politics on purpose to the Eurovision deserves expulsion lmao
What did Ukraine do though?
Azerbaijan n Belarus I know

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Babel wrote:

Aske wrote:
on one hand it seems paradoxical for a country currently involved in an armed conflict or otherwise conducting themselves in a way that flies in the face of everything esc stands for to be included in a contest created to celebrated peace and unity, but esc really isnt a contest between states and contestants arent government representatives. in theory at least, in some cases thats probably debatable but i digress.
politics can never be fully removed when country names are involved and when the winning country gets to host next years competition, fair enough, but just because a state is up to no good does not mean that said countrys public broadcaster is not allegible to take part. that depends on the broadcaster. it also doesnt mean that the country, people and culture is not worthy of celebration, which should be the most obvious thing ever but somehow it's not.

so in the case of israel, as long as KAN is an ebu member allegible for participation, they will be and should be allowed to take part. that goes for belarus and azerbaijan and whoever else people have issues with too.
but as it turns out KAN has made it very simple this year, and i hope they dont let it pass as theyve done w ukraine in past
theyre fully aware that they crossed a line w this and the fact they they are doing it anyways and plan on refusing to go along w it if ebu requests a change is fucking pathetic im sorry, play by the rules or face the consequenses bye

While I to some degree do agree, I also still think it's important to remember the legitimacy a "non-political" competition can give a country. I think it's fair to say that people can't participate and represent a country that is in trouble with international law, as long as it's done equally for all countries, and not just the ones getting media attention.
While I very much agree with you on the participants not being the country, the simple fact will always be, that these people will have to discuss the conflicts at home while participating in interviews (to some degree) and often will feel some kind of pushback from the audience (like Russia during Krim invasion) and while the latter isn't okay (in theory) I honestly get it, because both people and the other participants are rather outspoken about controversies and have a harder time separating them from Eurovision.
I do absolutely agree on the people of controversial countries deserving a space to celebrate their culture and country too, but in a competition, where they're tightly bound with the country it's harder to make space for it, because an audience will never be able to separate.

I do agree on the thing Israel is doing this year though, and to some degree also think it's a good choice from them to keep it in politics, because it takes the hard choice from EBU

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Babel wrote:

Abby wrote:

Aske wrote:
on one hand it seems paradoxical for a country currently involved in an armed conflict or otherwise conducting themselves in a way that flies in the face of everything esc stands for to be included in a contest created to celebrated peace and unity, but esc really isnt a contest between states and contestants arent government representatives. in theory at least, in some cases thats probably debatable but i digress.
politics can never be fully removed when country names are involved and when the winning country gets to host next years competition, fair enough, but just because a state is up to no good does not mean that said countrys public broadcaster is not allegible to take part. that depends on the broadcaster. it also doesnt mean that the country, people and culture is not worthy of celebration, which should be the most obvious thing ever but somehow it's not.

so in the case of israel, as long as KAN is an ebu member allegible for participation, they will be and should be allowed to take part. that goes for belarus and azerbaijan and whoever else people have issues with too.
but as it turns out KAN has made it very simple this year, and i hope they dont let it pass as theyve done w ukraine in past
theyre fully aware that they crossed a line w this and the fact they they are doing it anyways and plan on refusing to go along w it if ebu requests a change is fucking pathetic im sorry, play by the rules or face the consequenses bye

HUH
well in that case bringing politics on purpose to the Eurovision deserves expulsion lmao
What did Ukraine do though?
Azerbaijan n Belarus I know

In 2016 they entered with a song named "1944" which is about the deportation of a lot of krimtarians (People living on Krim ??) done by the Soviet Union.

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Babel wrote:
Also in 2007 Ukraine entered with a song named "Dancing Lasha Tumbai" and apparently "Lasha Tumbai" sounds very very closely to "Russia Goodbye".

Armenia also made a political song in 2015 and Georgia made one in 2009 if you want more political ones.

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Babel wrote:
If Eurovision was people sending different singers/competitors and the countries weren't highlighted as much during the competition, I think I would have an easier time accepting that the competition is non-political. But when the voting is vote for "x country" it doesn't feel that way either.

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Minister of Pop

Arthema wrote:

Babel wrote:

Abby wrote:

Aske wrote:
on one hand it seems paradoxical for a country currently involved in an armed conflict or otherwise conducting themselves in a way that flies in the face of everything esc stands for to be included in a contest created to celebrated peace and unity, but esc really isnt a contest between states and contestants arent government representatives. in theory at least, in some cases thats probably debatable but i digress.
politics can never be fully removed when country names are involved and when the winning country gets to host next years competition, fair enough, but just because a state is up to no good does not mean that said countrys public broadcaster is not allegible to take part. that depends on the broadcaster. it also doesnt mean that the country, people and culture is not worthy of celebration, which should be the most obvious thing ever but somehow it's not.

so in the case of israel, as long as KAN is an ebu member allegible for participation, they will be and should be allowed to take part. that goes for belarus and azerbaijan and whoever else people have issues with too.
but as it turns out KAN has made it very simple this year, and i hope they dont let it pass as theyve done w ukraine in past
theyre fully aware that they crossed a line w this and the fact they they are doing it anyways and plan on refusing to go along w it if ebu requests a change is fucking pathetic im sorry, play by the rules or face the consequenses bye

HUH
well in that case bringing politics on purpose to the Eurovision deserves expulsion lmao
What did Ukraine do though?
Azerbaijan n Belarus I know

In 2016 they entered with a song named "1944" which is about the deportation of a lot of krimtarians (People living on Krim ??) done by the Soviet Union.

wtf that one I did not know of
that ain't okay