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BloomCissi wrote:


The death penalty - yes, that will be the very uplifting topic of this Friday.
Death penalty used to be one of the most common forms of punishment around the world.
But today, opinions have changed, and the death penalty is institutionalised
in a minority of the world's countries (14 or 33, depending on how you count).

What do you think about it? 
Is it an acceptable form of punishment or a relic from times past that we should get rid of?
For what crimes, if any, should it be used as a punishment?
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Date: 17-09-2021 15:22
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uhyre wrote:
i dont think theres any difference between a random murdering someone else and the government deciding that actually, THIS person its fine to murder
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Rotte wrote:
Hmm tought thing, i don't think i have come to an opinion yet. Guess I don't fully support it though, at least not for any less than a serial killer.
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Date: 17-09-2021 15:26
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BloomCissi wrote:
uhyre wrote:
i dont think theres any difference between a random murdering someone else and the government deciding that actually, THIS person its fine to murder
Hmm, I guess some see it as a sort of "eye for eye" kind of thing. I don't know if you want to elaborate, but in what way do you think that they're the same?

If anyone is familiar with Max Weber, he coined the term monopoly on violence, which refers to the modern idea of the state as being the only entity that can legitimately use force (for example by imprisoning people). Using that logic, you could argue that it is indeed acceptable for the state to have the ability to mete out even capital punishment.
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Date: 17-09-2021 15:32
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AtlantaG1912 wrote:
the UK dones't have the death penalty but part me thinks we should keep it that way but on the other hand if its something major where people plan to murder lots of innocent people (say maybe a mass shooting (the UK luckly never really has to worry about that as much as the US does))  then fair enough (unfornately that would never happen because normally they kill themselves before the police arrest them).

However if maybe say it was just one murder then i believe it should be life in prison without the chance of parole 
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Date: 17-09-2021 15:33
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kagura wrote:
i don't really see death as punishment (not to be edgy i love life) so i don't support it 
better punishment is that you have to life rest of your life without actually being able to life normal life or do thing you enjoy etc. death is just end of your suffering and yes criminals should suffer 
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BloomCissi wrote:
Angelica wrote:
Hmm tought thing, i don't think i have come to an opinion yet. Guess I don't fully support it though, at least not for any less than a serial killer.
Yeah, I see. I think that kind of logic is pretty common - if you have killed a lot of people, everything should be done to prevent you from doing it again. But some would argue that you can achieve the same thing through life imprisonment (actual life imprisonment, not the Swedish kind where you can get out after x years because the sentence is converted). 
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BloomCissi wrote:
AtlantaG1912 wrote:
the UK dones't have the death penalty but part me thinks we should keep it that way but on the other hand if its something major where people plan to murder lots of innocent people (say maybe a mass shooting (the UK luckly never really has to worry about that as much as the US does))  then fair enough (unfornately that would never happen because normally they kill themselves before the police arrest them).

However if maybe say it was just one murder then i believe it should be life in prison without the chance of parole 
To me, there are very few crimes that are always wrong; murder is not one of them. Thus, context is essential, and I would never be able to say that murder should always be punished with a certain prison term.
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Rotte wrote:
BloomCissi wrote:
Angelica wrote:
Hmm tought thing, i don't think i have come to an opinion yet. Guess I don't fully support it though, at least not for any less than a serial killer.
Yeah, I see. I think that kind of logic is pretty common - if you have killed a lot of people, everything should be done to prevent you from doing it again. But some would argue that you can achieve the same thing through life imprisonment (actual life imprisonment, not the Swedish kind where you can get out after x years because the sentence is converted). 
Yea i think that is where i am leaning towards too, life in prison with no chance of parole (and not the 16 or so years you usually get over here). 
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autism wrote:
i don't support death penalty
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Miguel wrote:
yes kill pedophiles
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BloomCissi wrote:
kagura wrote:
i don't really see death as punishment (not to be edgy i love life) so i don't support it 
better punishment is that you have to life rest of your life without actually being able to life normal life or do thing you enjoy etc. death is just end of your suffering and yes criminals should suffer 
Yeah, I employ the same kind of logic, since I would think guilt is one of the most debilitating things to feel. However, with the added statement that I do support it, in the instances where it's clear that the individual will never feel remorse; then there's no point in keeping them alive. On the other hand, suffering because you are being stripped of your freedom by spending your whole life in prison is actually not something I've considered (probably because Swedish prisons are basically hotels compared to prisons in many other countries...), so you might be right that we're better off without the death penalty.
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Bimbo wrote:
It's just crazy to say "Murder is bad, and to show that I'm gonna do it as well and murder this murderer"

How does that make you any better than them then? If the punishment for murder is murder then whoever completes the death penalty should then be killed themselves by someone else, and then it becomes an endless cycle of death.
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Date: 17-09-2021 15:51
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BloomCissi wrote:
Vanity wrote:
It's just crazy to say "Murder is bad, and to show that I'm gonna do it as well and murder this murderer"

How does that make you any better than them then? If the punishment for murder is murder then whoever completes the death penalty should then be killed themselves by someone else, and then it becomes an endless cycle of death.
Just get a robot to do it - problem solved! But joke aside, I get your point, and it is a pretty strong argument.
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Date: 17-09-2021 15:58
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an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind
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Evey wrote:
i'm against

how can the government teach the people not to murder when they are murderers themselves? 

the big benefit with death penalty would be the economical aspect, but that can't weight more than human rights and all that 

don't have much more to say about it
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