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Solar wrote:
to assume that people aren't trying their best and using this assumption as the base of your argument is a choice
on top of that, many players (i think all?) have already said in this thread that they're not trying to be mean, that they didn't mean for their feedback to sound harsh, and so on
'in acting like people should just accept whichever way you said it because it's supposed to be constructive' - this is also not what i said. no, not whichever way; but if it's within forum rules, yes, because that is your job as a developer asking for feedback?
Olympus wrote:
The issue comes in, in acting like people should just accept whichever way you said it because it's supposed to be constructive, even if it comes across bad when you didn't mean it to.
Yes everyone is passionate, but if passion comes across as something else, it's easy to say hey i didn't even mean it like that
it wasn't about me, hence the 'however' Solar wrote:
(and obviously this is to a certain extent, within vp's official rules of conduct. if i start cursing and throwing a fit by all means give me a timeout or something, that's (hopefully obviously) not the point im making)
I mean it wasn't about you, but i do think we have a personal responsibility on a forum where you can't immediately tell tone (and people have issues with that hence tone tags) to at least try to say what you're saying as respectful and kindly as possible. Olympus wrote:
gen/not negative
sometimes the way you and some others first say your opinions on topics like these, they come across as harsh or upset, before it's cleared up. i can see where the confusion in tone is.
i have explicitly stated on all my feedback how it's nothing personal and so on because i know sometimes messages can feel harsh, however (and i feel this very very strongly) i as a player should not have to do that to protect the feelings of someone in a developing team (= coreteam, enbette, mss, admins, everyone) when they're asking for feedback on their ideas. even when someone is very bad at communicating in a super thoughtful way, they should still be able to voice their concerns and opinions. it is the job of the developing team to disregard tone and read what is actually being said gen/not negative
sometimes the way you and some others first say your opinions on topics like these, they come across as harsh or upset, before it's cleared up. i can see where the confusion in tone is.
(and obviously this is to a certain extent, within vp's official rules of conduct. if i start cursing and throwing a fit by all means give me a timeout or something, that's (hopefully obviously) not the point im making)
The issue comes in, in acting like people should just accept whichever way you said it because it's supposed to be constructive, even if it comes across bad when you didn't mean it to.
Yes everyone is passionate, but if passion comes across as something else, it's easy to say hey i didn't even mean it like that
to assume that people aren't trying their best and using this assumption as the base of your argument is a choice
on top of that, many players (i think all?) have already said in this thread that they're not trying to be mean, that they didn't mean for their feedback to sound harsh, and so on
'in acting like people should just accept whichever way you said it because it's supposed to be constructive' - this is also not what i said. no, not whichever way; but if it's within forum rules, yes, because that is your job as a developer asking for feedback?
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