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Rotte wrote:

Vissy wrote:

Dora wrote:

Vissy wrote:
This one?
http://en.virtualpopstar.com/social?category=11&topic=277026

omg tysm darling! i didnt know where to look and it disappeared from my recent posted forums xD

Haha no problem xD it's in the competitions

I looked at got totally cross eyes.. i simply cant concentrate with my sick slured brain xD

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Phyllis wrote:

mjom wrote:

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I don't think a raffle requires 15 people.

it's not just making the raffle?? it's also deciding which outfit should be used, asking the designer, making the actual thingy (graphic?? idk if that's the right english word lel) for the post, announce the winners etc. like idk people who never really were in a team (especially not the one mentioned) shouldn't really complain because they really don't know what's going on behind the scenes actually.
and as cute said: the sets are the "paycheck" for the people in the team. they do all of this to make vp a bit more exciting and they're putting their free time into this site so it's the least they can get, seriously

As I mentioned above, I'm open and I'd love to see how the team works in a blog or something. I had no ill intentions, yet, things got out of hands and you got all defensive. It was just a discussion, no drama, so I don't get the martyr reasoning.

From what I gathered, there are a group of users who are responsible for the VP Tumblr exclusively. People who post and people who design the layouts. Let's say it's 4 people. I think 4 people can communicate with the designer and do all the other things without requiring anyone else out of their circle to do it?

And as I said above, okay, it's a paycheck, I accept that and I don't wanna take it from those who worked on the event, but getting it only, because you're in the team...?

I don't know if you have any idea how much time we spend on all of our monthly events + weekly posts on medias in total. But from what I've noticed as a page manager, events take weeks of planning, and then of course implementing it and giving out rewards, etc. Because all social medias work so hard and take a lot of time for their events to be successful, I think it's only fair to give them the other items (from events they weren't responsible for) as a small reward.

I understand that it might be quite difficult to understand our point of view when you're not a team member yourself, and you don't know how time-taking, exhausting, and stressful these things can be. If our only "salary" aka pixel items was taken away, would people still be willing to put this much effort into things when they get basically nothing in return?

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Moss wrote:

Phyllis wrote:

mjom wrote:

Phyllis wrote:
I don't think a raffle requires 15 people.

it's not just making the raffle?? it's also deciding which outfit should be used, asking the designer, making the actual thingy (graphic?? idk if that's the right english word lel) for the post, announce the winners etc. like idk people who never really were in a team (especially not the one mentioned) shouldn't really complain because they really don't know what's going on behind the scenes actually.
and as cute said: the sets are the "paycheck" for the people in the team. they do all of this to make vp a bit more exciting and they're putting their free time into this site so it's the least they can get, seriously

As I mentioned above, I'm open and I'd love to see how the team works in a blog or something. I had no ill intentions, yet, things got out of hands and you got all defensive. It was just a discussion, no drama, so I don't get the martyr reasoning.

From what I gathered, there are a group of users who are responsible for the VP Tumblr exclusively. People who post and people who design the layouts. Let's say it's 4 people. I think 4 people can communicate with the designer and do all the other things without requiring anyone else out of their circle to do it?

And as I said above, okay, it's a paycheck, I accept that and I don't wanna take it from those who worked on the event, but getting it only, because you're in the team...?

The layouters don't belong to a specific team. We do layouts on request and availability.
Sometimes things come up, and team members have different time zones, which can lead to others having to step in and do some of the work. Yesterday Aimz and I helped out with the raffling even though neither of us are actually on the "Tumblr team" by official title. It's very fluent within the team who helps out with what, even though the members are divided into teams

So, it doesn't always work out for the 3 or 4 people in a team to do all of those things without asking for help.

I understand your frustrations and even agree that not everyone "deserves" every set in that sense, but it all boils down to this being the easiest solution. If we start to overcomplicate matters like "who does and who doesn't get this set" it would only lead to frustrations and dismay within the team which would, in turn, affect the users. Getting the sets are a huge motivational source for us, after all, to dedicate our time to the work required.

Regarding having more items for competitions: I think that mainly boils down to style. The reason a lot of the same people win WWIB and ET's dress-up competitions on a regular basis is that people love their ability to style the items they have at disposal. You could have every single item on VP and still don't make an outfit that appeals to the team members' tastes.

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Rotte wrote:
Hope phyz makes more skins like this one, i still look at it and just adore it!

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Congratulations to everybody!

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luminescence wrote:

Dora wrote:
Hope phyz makes more skins like this one, i still look at it and just adore it!

Yeah honestly this has to be one of my favorite skins *___*

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Rotte wrote:

luminescence wrote:

Dora wrote:
Hope phyz makes more skins like this one, i still look at it and just adore it!

Yeah honestly this has to be one of my favorite skins *___*

I made a look for cute with it, just completed the adorable look

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Nina wrote:

luminescence wrote:

Phyllis wrote:

mjom wrote:
it's not just making the raffle?? it's also deciding which outfit should be used, asking the designer, making the actual thingy (graphic?? idk if that's the right english word lel) for the post, announce the winners etc. like idk people who never really were in a team (especially not the one mentioned) shouldn't really complain because they really don't know what's going on behind the scenes actually.
and as cute said: the sets are the "paycheck" for the people in the team. they do all of this to make vp a bit more exciting and they're putting their free time into this site so it's the least they can get, seriously

As I mentioned above, I'm open and I'd love to see how the team works in a blog or something. I had no ill intentions, yet, things got out of hands and you got all defensive. It was just a discussion, no drama, so I don't get the martyr reasoning.

From what I gathered, there are a group of users who are responsible for the VP Tumblr exclusively. People who post and people who design the layouts. Let's say it's 4 people. I think 4 people can communicate with the designer and do all the other things without requiring anyone else out of their circle to do it?

And as I said above, okay, it's a paycheck, I accept that and I don't wanna take it from those who worked on the event, but getting it only, because you're in the team...?

I don't know if you have any idea how much time we spend on all of our monthly events + weekly posts on medias in total. But from what I've noticed as a page manager, events take weeks of planning, and then of course implementing it and giving out rewards, etc. Because all social medias work so hard and take a lot of time for their events to be successful, I think it's only fair to give them the other items (from events they weren't responsible for) as a small reward.

I understand that it might be quite difficult to understand our point of view when you're not a team member yourself, and you don't know how time-taking, exhausting, and stressful these things can be. If our only "salary" aka pixel items was taken away, would people still be willing to put this much effort into things when they get basically nothing in return?

I told you I'd prefer not to turn it into discussing the cons of volunteering. Just because I'm not in a VP team, doesn't mean I have no experience in other games or forums.

But if we talk about VP, I hold events in my RL with 2 mates, Brynhild and Mely. 3 of us handles everything. Some are raffles, some are more complex and require judging. We are planning them, so yeah... We never bragged or played for our members the "we work so hard for you" card, we do it, because we volunteered, because we want to do it, and not because we want to be praised. We gain 0 thing from it... So I don't know why you have to mention it in each and every of your post how hard you work. I think all of the players know how hard it is to be a volunteer and we're really, REALLY grateful.

I can imagine it's hard to let go of free items. But everyone is supposed to work on events, so no one would be left without sets? You act like some would get nothing... you'd get what you worked for. Maybe I don't see all the sides of how the team works, but you don't see the players side and that what I mean when I say the team members get too much sets.

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Nina wrote:

Moss wrote:

Phyllis wrote:

mjom wrote:
it's not just making the raffle?? it's also deciding which outfit should be used, asking the designer, making the actual thingy (graphic?? idk if that's the right english word lel) for the post, announce the winners etc. like idk people who never really were in a team (especially not the one mentioned) shouldn't really complain because they really don't know what's going on behind the scenes actually.
and as cute said: the sets are the "paycheck" for the people in the team. they do all of this to make vp a bit more exciting and they're putting their free time into this site so it's the least they can get, seriously

As I mentioned above, I'm open and I'd love to see how the team works in a blog or something. I had no ill intentions, yet, things got out of hands and you got all defensive. It was just a discussion, no drama, so I don't get the martyr reasoning.

From what I gathered, there are a group of users who are responsible for the VP Tumblr exclusively. People who post and people who design the layouts. Let's say it's 4 people. I think 4 people can communicate with the designer and do all the other things without requiring anyone else out of their circle to do it?

And as I said above, okay, it's a paycheck, I accept that and I don't wanna take it from those who worked on the event, but getting it only, because you're in the team...?

The layouters don't belong to a specific team. We do layouts on request and availability.
Sometimes things come up, and team members have different time zones, which can lead to others having to step in and do some of the work. Yesterday Aimz and I helped out with the raffling even though neither of us are actually on the "Tumblr team" by official title. It's very fluent within the team who helps out with what, even though the members are divided into teams

So, it doesn't always work out for the 3 or 4 people in a team to do all of those things without asking for help.

I understand your frustrations and even agree that not everyone "deserves" every set in that sense, but it all boils down to this being the easiest solution. If we start to overcomplicate matters like "who does and who doesn't get this set" it would only lead to frustrations and dismay within the team which would, in turn, affect the users. Getting the sets are a huge motivational source for us, after all, to dedicate our time to the work required.

Regarding having more items for competitions: I think that mainly boils down to style. The reason a lot of the same people win WWIB and ET's dress-up competitions on a regular basis is that people love their ability to style the items they have at disposal. You could have every single item on VP and still don't make an outfit that appeals to the team members' tastes.

Aha, thank you!

Still, if layouters don't belong to any team circle, if you'd be asked to do a design, you'd get the reward for it, because you participated in the event's organization. I also understand things may occur that stops someone from doing their duty, but like now that you stepped in and worked on the event, you'd be eligible to claim the reward. So your work wouldn't be "free", you'd get a "paycheck" for it. No one would be left empty-handed.

I assume the teams operated always like they do now, and it's comfortable for those who are in it, it's just something that looks odd from and outsiders view. A closed circle that gets all the rares in a questionable way.

As for what Dora raised, most of the raffle sets, as I noticed lately, all are community-favs, so it was fair to mention if you use it in a competition, your outfit probably will be liked due to all the "wanted" and "cool" items.

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luminescence wrote:

Phyllis wrote:

luminescence wrote:

Phyllis wrote:
As I mentioned above, I'm open and I'd love to see how the team works in a blog or something. I had no ill intentions, yet, things got out of hands and you got all defensive. It was just a discussion, no drama, so I don't get the martyr reasoning.

From what I gathered, there are a group of users who are responsible for the VP Tumblr exclusively. People who post and people who design the layouts. Let's say it's 4 people. I think 4 people can communicate with the designer and do all the other things without requiring anyone else out of their circle to do it?

And as I said above, okay, it's a paycheck, I accept that and I don't wanna take it from those who worked on the event, but getting it only, because you're in the team...?

I don't know if you have any idea how much time we spend on all of our monthly events + weekly posts on medias in total. But from what I've noticed as a page manager, events take weeks of planning, and then of course implementing it and giving out rewards, etc. Because all social medias work so hard and take a lot of time for their events to be successful, I think it's only fair to give them the other items (from events they weren't responsible for) as a small reward.

I understand that it might be quite difficult to understand our point of view when you're not a team member yourself, and you don't know how time-taking, exhausting, and stressful these things can be. If our only "salary" aka pixel items was taken away, would people still be willing to put this much effort into things when they get basically nothing in return?

I told you I'd prefer not to turn it into discussing the cons of volunteering. Just because I'm not in a VP team, doesn't mean I have no experience in other games or forums.

But if we talk about VP, I hold events in my RL with 2 mates, Brynhild and Mely. 3 of us handles everything. Some are raffles, some are more complex and require judging. We are planning them, so yeah... We never bragged or played for our members the "we work so hard for you" card, we do it, because we volunteered, because we want to do it, and not because we want to be praised. We gain 0 thing from it... So I don't know why you have to mention it in each and every of your post how hard you work. I think all of the players know how hard it is to be a volunteer and we're really, REALLY grateful.

I can imagine it's hard to let go of free items. But everyone is supposed to work on events, so no one would be left without sets? You act like some would get nothing... you'd get what you worked for. Maybe I don't see all the sides of how the team works, but you don't see the players side and that what I mean when I say the team members get too much sets.

I mention it because it's my #1 reasoning on why we deserve to get the prizes too. We work hard, and we deserve to get stuff in return. And that's just my opinion - you're free to have yours ^^

Reason #2 includes the accusing of favoritism that I discussed earlier. Honestly there are many other reasons as well but they've been discussed here earlier so there's no need to write them again

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Nina wrote:

luminescence wrote:

Phyllis wrote:

luminescence wrote:
I don't know if you have any idea how much time we spend on all of our monthly events + weekly posts on medias in total. But from what I've noticed as a page manager, events take weeks of planning, and then of course implementing it and giving out rewards, etc. Because all social medias work so hard and take a lot of time for their events to be successful, I think it's only fair to give them the other items (from events they weren't responsible for) as a small reward.

I understand that it might be quite difficult to understand our point of view when you're not a team member yourself, and you don't know how time-taking, exhausting, and stressful these things can be. If our only "salary" aka pixel items was taken away, would people still be willing to put this much effort into things when they get basically nothing in return?

I told you I'd prefer not to turn it into discussing the cons of volunteering. Just because I'm not in a VP team, doesn't mean I have no experience in other games or forums.

But if we talk about VP, I hold events in my RL with 2 mates, Brynhild and Mely. 3 of us handles everything. Some are raffles, some are more complex and require judging. We are planning them, so yeah... We never bragged or played for our members the "we work so hard for you" card, we do it, because we volunteered, because we want to do it, and not because we want to be praised. We gain 0 thing from it... So I don't know why you have to mention it in each and every of your post how hard you work. I think all of the players know how hard it is to be a volunteer and we're really, REALLY grateful.

I can imagine it's hard to let go of free items. But everyone is supposed to work on events, so no one would be left without sets? You act like some would get nothing... you'd get what you worked for. Maybe I don't see all the sides of how the team works, but you don't see the players side and that what I mean when I say the team members get too much sets.

I mention it because it's my #1 reasoning on why we deserve to get the prizes too. We work hard, and we deserve to get stuff in return. And that's just my opinion - you're free to have yours ^^

Reason #2 includes the accusing of favoritism that I discussed earlier. Honestly there are many other reasons as well but they've been discussed here earlier so there's no need to write them again

But I don't understand it.

You would still get things in return. All the teams hold raffles, so you'd never be left without rare sets. Still you'd get more than an average player, because I don't think there are such lucky players who win in a row many times... So why is it not enough to get the sets of the events you worked on, why should you get the sets of the events you didn't work on too?

You could be accused of favoritism now too, we don't know how you chose the winners. But no one ever accused you. And if you so fear from that, screening the raffle to avoid any accusations is still a solution as I suggested. But I don't think it would be an issue more than it is now.