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Nina wrote:

mistyxq wrote:

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SisterMorphine wrote:
Like pay the hacker a lot of euro for their "good find"

fr considering how much he paid the hacker he could invest in a more secure website

and also pay designers SOMETHING instead of nothing, like at least 5€ a month would be completely fine for him, he wouldn't even notice a change in his wallet going off of how quick the server hosting costs fill up when mcw hits and how he's selling cancer lamps too. oh and paying parrot 100€ for finding something parrot said was super easy to find

But designers and team people VOLUNTEER for the work, he didn't ask them to do anything, so asking for salary for them is a bit.... odd. If I volunteer, I apply for the job, because I want to help and it would be super weird from me to complain later about that I don't get paid...

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Nina wrote:

mistyxq wrote:

SisterMorphine wrote:

mistyxq wrote:
and also pay designers SOMETHING instead of nothing, like at least 5€ a month would be completely fine for him, he wouldn't even notice a change in his wallet going off of how quick the server hosting costs fill up when mcw hits and how he's selling cancer lamps too. oh and paying parrot 100€ for finding something parrot said was super easy to find

Solovey is the only one he pays actual money to (unless something else happened recently), and people lost their shit about that (snd rightfully so) because it dismisses all the hardwork the other designers put into creating stuff for him. Not to mention, the time and effort teams put into his website. But this is a whole different conversation lol

Also I've heard its closer to 200€?

oh yeah he promised parrot another 100€ if he found more, I've been offline for the past couple of days so I guess he found something else since then lol, that's incredibly easy buck for parrot I imagine, kaj has got his prices and priorities all messed up

At least some things got fixed. It was like a rapid service, he didn't have to look for a person to fix things, so the hacker spared time and effort for him. I don't mind the hacker got paid, but I do mind the mess that's left behind. And I feel a bit salty he's having a convo with a hacker, but not with the players of his game.

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Phyllis wrote:

mistyxq wrote:

Cybele wrote:
fr considering how much he paid the hacker he could invest in a more secure website

and also pay designers SOMETHING instead of nothing, like at least 5€ a month would be completely fine for him, he wouldn't even notice a change in his wallet going off of how quick the server hosting costs fill up when mcw hits and how he's selling cancer lamps too. oh and paying parrot 100€ for finding something parrot said was super easy to find

But designers and team people VOLUNTEER for the work, he didn't ask them to do anything, so asking for salary for them is a bit.... odd. If I volunteer, I apply for the job, because I want to help and it would be super weird from me to complain later about that I don't get paid...

Everyone on a team is a volunteer, ofc. It's known when you sign up and join. But when one volunteer gets paid for their hard work, every other team member who puts in all their hardwork ends up feeling like they were just shit on.

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Koolaid wrote:
vp does have https i just checked, kaj just doesn't know how to use it LMAOO

so it is actually PRICELESS

OMG IT DOES
On all pages except for the homepage.

Now it no longer shows as secure rip

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Nina wrote:

SisterMorphine wrote:

Phyllis wrote:

mistyxq wrote:
and also pay designers SOMETHING instead of nothing, like at least 5€ a month would be completely fine for him, he wouldn't even notice a change in his wallet going off of how quick the server hosting costs fill up when mcw hits and how he's selling cancer lamps too. oh and paying parrot 100€ for finding something parrot said was super easy to find

But designers and team people VOLUNTEER for the work, he didn't ask them to do anything, so asking for salary for them is a bit.... odd. If I volunteer, I apply for the job, because I want to help and it would be super weird from me to complain later about that I don't get paid...

Everyone on a team is a volunteer, ofc. It's known when you sign up and join. But when one volunteer gets paid for their hard work, every other team member who puts in all their hardwork ends up feeling like they were just shit on.

I see what you mean, but I think he hired Solovey, so it's not like she is a volunteer anymore.

Also I'm pretty sure Solovey is expected to provide certain amount of sets for a certain amount of time. This way he secured that the game won't be left without any designs. He cannot rely on volunteers, they come and go whenever they feel like it, he needs to be sure someone is around to keep the game alive, so I understand why he pays a designer. As for why he choose Solovey, it's up to his personal preferences. We all like different designers, her style must be closest to what he wants VP to be like...

Also, he pays the team members in a way with game items. That's another thing the division between those items between the teams is messy and some teams get 50 000 credit worthy items in a year, while the others barely get anything... but that could be solved between the teams and discussed so that everyone gets something. I don't think he would interfere in that and things would feel a bit more fair for everyone.

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Phyllis wrote:

SisterMorphine wrote:

Phyllis wrote:
But designers and team people VOLUNTEER for the work, he didn't ask them to do anything, so asking for salary for them is a bit.... odd. If I volunteer, I apply for the job, because I want to help and it would be super weird from me to complain later about that I don't get paid...

Everyone on a team is a volunteer, ofc. It's known when you sign up and join. But when one volunteer gets paid for their hard work, every other team member who puts in all their hardwork ends up feeling like they were just shit on.

I see what you mean, but I think he hired Solovey, so it's not like she is a volunteer anymore.

Also I'm pretty sure Solovey is expected to provide certain amount of sets for a certain amount of time. This way he secured that the game won't be left without any designs. He cannot rely on volunteers, they come and go whenever they feel like it, he needs to be sure someone is around to keep the game alive, so I understand why he pays a designer. As for why he choose Solovey, it's up to his personal preferences. We all like different designers, her style must be closest to what he wants VP to be like...

Also, he pays the team members in a way with game items. That's another thing the division between those items between the teams is messy and some teams get 50 000 credit worthy items in a year, while the others barely get anything... but that could be solved between the teams and discussed so that everyone gets something. I don't think he would interfere in that and things would feel a bit more fair for everyone.

I don't see any badges on you, were you on any teams beforehand?

All designers are expected to provide the website with a certain anount of designes per month. If you've noted since she was hired, less detail is put into their designs to make up for that quota (Still looks great, but quantity over quality is his focus).One designer doesn't secure the websites quantity of clothes, if anything, if all the designers quit except for her then thats when VP would be fuuucked lol

Kaj does rely on volunteers to keep his website going. All except one team members are volunteers. Many have been on teams for years, only a few leave as they feel like it. Even then, solovey is free to stop their agreement if she felt like it.

They are all putting in their full efforts and expect nothing, as they knew they were volunteering for this job as mentioned. But when you pay one person and not the rest, that's obviously going to cause issues. Payment with virtual clothes is not equal to payment in cash.

Putting it into perspective for you: you're at work and your boss chooses one person to get paid more. You've all worked your ass off, you're all good at the work you do and you all bring in a steady income. Your boss notices one coworker because he can visually see the sales they make. Everyone contributes their workload, sales are booming, but one peraon gets the big payoff. No one was expecting to be given a raise or any special treatment, it was just announced out of the blue.

You and everyone else would be upset about this, yeah?

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In short, if everyone but her quit he'd be fucked over. Kaj just looks at data and not the actual backbone of his website (ie: literally all the other designers, teams that keep his users active and interested, and mods that handle the chaos for him on his behalf).

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SisterMorphine wrote:

Phyllis wrote:

SisterMorphine wrote:
Everyone on a team is a volunteer, ofc. It's known when you sign up and join. But when one volunteer gets paid for their hard work, every other team member who puts in all their hardwork ends up feeling like they were just shit on.

I see what you mean, but I think he hired Solovey, so it's not like she is a volunteer anymore.

Also I'm pretty sure Solovey is expected to provide certain amount of sets for a certain amount of time. This way he secured that the game won't be left without any designs. He cannot rely on volunteers, they come and go whenever they feel like it, he needs to be sure someone is around to keep the game alive, so I understand why he pays a designer. As for why he choose Solovey, it's up to his personal preferences. We all like different designers, her style must be closest to what he wants VP to be like...

Also, he pays the team members in a way with game items. That's another thing the division between those items between the teams is messy and some teams get 50 000 credit worthy items in a year, while the others barely get anything... but that could be solved between the teams and discussed so that everyone gets something. I don't think he would interfere in that and things would feel a bit more fair for everyone.

I don't see any badges on you, were you on any teams beforehand?

All designers are expected to provide the website with a certain anount of designes per month. If you've noted since she was hired, less detail is put into their designs to make up for that quota (Still looks great, but quantity over quality is his focus).One designer doesn't secure the websites quantity of clothes, if anything, if all the designers quit except for her then thats when VP would be fuuucked lol

Kaj does rely on volunteers to keep his website going. All except one team members are volunteers. Many have been on teams for years, only a few leave as they feel like it. Even then, solovey is free to stop their agreement if she felt like it.

They are all putting in their full efforts and expect nothing, as they knew they were volunteering for this job as mentioned. But when you pay one person and not the rest, that's obviously going to cause issues. Payment with virtual clothes is not equal to payment in cash.

Putting it into perspective for you: you're at work and your boss chooses one person to get paid more. You've all worked your ass off, you're all good at the work you do and you all bring in a steady income. Your boss notices one coworker because he can visually see the sales they make. Everyone contributes their workload, sales are booming, but one peraon gets the big payoff. No one was expecting to be given a raise or any special treatment, it was just announced out of the blue.

You and everyone else would be upset about this, yeah?

I forgot to add, after everyone expresses their concerns you're told that if you work hard maybe you'll get paid too. As if you guy's weren't doing that already.

True story ✌ slapped right in the face.

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Nina wrote:

SisterMorphine wrote:

Phyllis wrote:

SisterMorphine wrote:
Everyone on a team is a volunteer, ofc. It's known when you sign up and join. But when one volunteer gets paid for their hard work, every other team member who puts in all their hardwork ends up feeling like they were just shit on.

I see what you mean, but I think he hired Solovey, so it's not like she is a volunteer anymore.

Also I'm pretty sure Solovey is expected to provide certain amount of sets for a certain amount of time. This way he secured that the game won't be left without any designs. He cannot rely on volunteers, they come and go whenever they feel like it, he needs to be sure someone is around to keep the game alive, so I understand why he pays a designer. As for why he choose Solovey, it's up to his personal preferences. We all like different designers, her style must be closest to what he wants VP to be like...

Also, he pays the team members in a way with game items. That's another thing the division between those items between the teams is messy and some teams get 50 000 credit worthy items in a year, while the others barely get anything... but that could be solved between the teams and discussed so that everyone gets something. I don't think he would interfere in that and things would feel a bit more fair for everyone.

I don't see any badges on you, were you on any teams beforehand?

All designers are expected to provide the website with a certain anount of designes per month. If you've noted since she was hired, less detail is put into their designs to make up for that quota (Still looks great, but quantity over quality is his focus).One designer doesn't secure the websites quantity of clothes, if anything, if all the designers quit except for her then thats when VP would be fuuucked lol

Kaj does rely on volunteers to keep his website going. All except one team members are volunteers. Many have been on teams for years, only a few leave as they feel like it. Even then, solovey is free to stop their agreement if she felt like it.

They are all putting in their full efforts and expect nothing, as they knew they were volunteering for this job as mentioned. But when you pay one person and not the rest, that's obviously going to cause issues. Payment with virtual clothes is not equal to payment in cash.

Putting it into perspective for you: you're at work and your boss chooses one person to get paid more. You've all worked your ass off, you're all good at the work you do and you all bring in a steady income. Your boss notices one coworker because he can visually see the sales they make. Everyone contributes their workload, sales are booming, but one peraon gets the big payoff. No one was expecting to be given a raise or any special treatment, it was just announced out of the blue.

You and everyone else would be upset about this, yeah?

Well, from my perspective for the title it's just natural you're expected to provide some designs monthly. But isn't it like 1-2 sets? Sol gotta do more. I wouldn't say her designs got worse quality wise, but I see a big style change too.

We think very differently about this issue.

In a way I think I can understand Kaj's side more in this case. I really don't understand why this payment thing is an issue here. I mean, you like the game, that's why you're here and you like the position you applied for. It's just a bonus you get game items for what you do = you don't have to spend that much money on the game. To get 50k credits, you'd have to buy like 2 times the 96e package or even more times, depending on the mcw sets the given months. And getting like 200e in a year for your hobby isn't that bad. Okay, it's a bad example, because not all the teams get that many items, but that could and should be worked on. How old is VP? And no one ever complained about the inequality about the team's payment?

I've seen it on other forums too they hire volunteers and no one expects to be paid. They get discounts and game money/ items in return for what they do and that's it. I cannot compare the work here to real work, so as much as I understand your example, I don't think that fits the issue here.

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Nina wrote:

SisterMorphine wrote:
In short, if everyone but her quit he'd be fucked over. Kaj just looks at data and not the actual backbone of his website (ie: literally all the other designers, teams that keep his users active and interested, and mods that handle the chaos for him on his behalf).

The user base is very important in every game. I think even if teams quitted, people would still try to entertain themselves. There are competitions done by average members now too.
And there are always new designers coming. Many people don't stay for a long time, but I think there would still be some sets added. Not as many as now, but there would be some.

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Koolaid wrote:
wait didn't gsm also make their designers work for free?

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Nina wrote:

SisterMorphine wrote:

Phyllis wrote:
I see what you mean, but I think he hired Solovey, so it's not like she is a volunteer anymore.

Also I'm pretty sure Solovey is expected to provide certain amount of sets for a certain amount of time. This way he secured that the game won't be left without any designs. He cannot rely on volunteers, they come and go whenever they feel like it, he needs to be sure someone is around to keep the game alive, so I understand why he pays a designer. As for why he choose Solovey, it's up to his personal preferences. We all like different designers, her style must be closest to what he wants VP to be like...

Also, he pays the team members in a way with game items. That's another thing the division between those items between the teams is messy and some teams get 50 000 credit worthy items in a year, while the others barely get anything... but that could be solved between the teams and discussed so that everyone gets something. I don't think he would interfere in that and things would feel a bit more fair for everyone.

I don't see any badges on you, were you on any teams beforehand?

All designers are expected to provide the website with a certain anount of designes per month. If you've noted since she was hired, less detail is put into their designs to make up for that quota (Still looks great, but quantity over quality is his focus).One designer doesn't secure the websites quantity of clothes, if anything, if all the designers quit except for her then thats when VP would be fuuucked lol

Kaj does rely on volunteers to keep his website going. All except one team members are volunteers. Many have been on teams for years, only a few leave as they feel like it. Even then, solovey is free to stop their agreement if she felt like it.

They are all putting in their full efforts and expect nothing, as they knew they were volunteering for this job as mentioned. But when you pay one person and not the rest, that's obviously going to cause issues. Payment with virtual clothes is not equal to payment in cash.

Putting it into perspective for you: you're at work and your boss chooses one person to get paid more. You've all worked your ass off, you're all good at the work you do and you all bring in a steady income. Your boss notices one coworker because he can visually see the sales they make. Everyone contributes their workload, sales are booming, but one peraon gets the big payoff. No one was expecting to be given a raise or any special treatment, it was just announced out of the blue.

You and everyone else would be upset about this, yeah?

I forgot to add, after everyone expresses their concerns you're told that if you work hard maybe you'll get paid too. As if you guy's weren't doing that already.

True story ✌ slapped right in the face.

That's another thing Kaj seems like he cannot deal properly with people and he would need a community manager to talk instead... that's really bad if he promised such things and in the end he didn't keep his promise.

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Damjal wrote:
pd is worthless anyway tbh
its too easy to earn pd and hard to get rid of pd lol

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ot but ur (op) banner reminds me of imvu profile pictures

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Helmi wrote:

Damjal wrote:
pd is worthless anyway tbh
its too easy to earn pd and hard to get rid of pd lol

Why are you bumping an 11 month old thread