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wug wrote:
If you guys are genuinely interested in defining things I'd recommend Meaning by Elbourne, the first chapter if I recall correctly, where he tries to define the word 'chair' and describes the problematic aspects behind it. Our mental lexicons have 'entries' in it, like definitions, so we're able to say a thing is what it is without being able to describe why or even how. A chair might be something with four legs that you can sit on, but everything with four legs that you can sit on are chairs e.g. a cat. There's also things that are chairs without any legs, and chairs that are chairs although you can't sit on them. So when something as simple as a chair is impossible to correctly define - how the hell are we going to describe something that is 1. physical, 2. societal and 3. psychological, probably with more than those three things. I'm sorry if this isn't adequate or even within your question, I'd just like to address the problem with defining things. 
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Yoko wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
If you guys are genuinely interested in defining things I'd recommend Meaning by Elbourne, the first chapter if I recall correctly, where he tries to define the word 'chair' and describes the problematic aspects behind it. Our mental lexicons have 'entries' in it, like definitions, so we're able to say a thing is what it is without being able to describe why or even how. A chair might be something with four legs that you can sit on, but everything with four legs that you can sit on are chairs e.g. a cat. There's also things that are chairs without any legs, and chairs that are chairs although you can't sit on them. So when something as simple as a chair is impossible to correctly define - how the hell are we going to describe something that is 1. physical, 2. societal and 3. psychological, probably with more than those three things. I'm sorry if this isn't adequate or even within your question, I'd just like to address the problem with defining things. 
that's interesting to read but unfortunately without the ability to describe, we lose the ability to communicate
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Rosa wrote:
Moongirlz wrote:
Well Wikipedia says that woman is female human being. And female is sex of an organism that produces egg cells. This is biology but in society anyone can be woman if they want to.
yes wikipedia knows it all.  .. . . ? 
No but really. 
EVERY WOMEN ARE WOMEN! 
If you were born with, let's say, a penis, but you're a woman - you're a woman. 
If you of some sort of cause aren't able to produce eggs, but you have a vagina - and you're a woman, you're a woman.
Biologically, we're all human beings. We are made of biological cells. Like, everything that grows or lives are biological. We just got different types of genitals so populate earth. 

Gender is a social construct. 
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wug wrote:
Yoko wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
If you guys are genuinely interested in defining things I'd recommend Meaning by Elbourne, the first chapter if I recall correctly, where he tries to define the word 'chair' and describes the problematic aspects behind it. Our mental lexicons have 'entries' in it, like definitions, so we're able to say a thing is what it is without being able to describe why or even how. A chair might be something with four legs that you can sit on, but everything with four legs that you can sit on are chairs e.g. a cat. There's also things that are chairs without any legs, and chairs that are chairs although you can't sit on them. So when something as simple as a chair is impossible to correctly define - how the hell are we going to describe something that is 1. physical, 2. societal and 3. psychological, probably with more than those three things. I'm sorry if this isn't adequate or even within your question, I'd just like to address the problem with defining things. 
that's interesting to read but unfortunately without the ability to describe, we lose the ability to communicate
Of course, you can describe something but the description will never 100% be correct, it will always have to omit things, it can't be precise unless you spend perhaps years trying to explain every possible outcome of the realisation of a word. For women that would have to be to describe every single aspect and every single variety within and outside the word. It's obviously not a very economical thing to spend your life doing. Our brains have already some sort of mental description of what the word is and I think people will have a hard time trying to convince people that their reality and their perception of something is the one and only truth. 
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A woman is someone with a vagina, don't you know that by now!!!!!
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Yoko wrote:
Rosa wrote:
Moongirlz wrote:
Well Wikipedia says that woman is female human being. And female is sex of an organism that produces egg cells. This is biology but in society anyone can be woman if they want to.
yes wikipedia knows it all.  .. . . ? 
No but really. 
EVERY WOMEN ARE WOMEN! 
If you were born with, let's say, a penis, but you're a woman - you're a woman. 
If you of some sort of cause aren't able to produce eggs, but you have a vagina - and you're a woman, you're a woman.
Biologically, we're all human beings. We are made of biological cells. Like, everything that grows or lives are biological. We just got different types of genitals so populate earth. 

Gender is a social construct. 
if you are aware that gender is a social construct, why not dismantle it rather than perpetuating the idea that anyone can be a "woman" if they identify with the gender roles assigned to that descriptor 
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Yoko wrote:
also this again ,  after last night       im done with this topic for now 
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Claire wrote:
Rosa wrote:
Moongirlz wrote:
Well Wikipedia says that woman is female human being. And female is sex of an organism that produces egg cells. This is biology but in society anyone can be woman if they want to.
yes wikipedia knows it all.  .. . . ? 
No but really. 
EVERY WOMEN ARE WOMEN! 
If you were born with, let's say, a penis, but you're a woman - you're a woman. 
If you of some sort of cause aren't able to produce eggs, but you have a vagina - and you're a woman, you're a woman.
Biologically, we're all human beings. We are made of biological cells. Like, everything that grows or lives are biological. We just got different types of genitals so populate earth. 

Gender is a social construct. 
But you haven't actually defined what a woman is? Just said if you are one you are one. What exactly is a woman?
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Basil wrote:
Yoko wrote:
Rosa wrote:
Moongirlz wrote:
Well Wikipedia says that woman is female human being. And female is sex of an organism that produces egg cells. This is biology but in society anyone can be woman if they want to.
yes wikipedia knows it all.  .. . . ? 
No but really. 
EVERY WOMEN ARE WOMEN! 
If you were born with, let's say, a penis, but you're a woman - you're a woman. 
If you of some sort of cause aren't able to produce eggs, but you have a vagina - and you're a woman, you're a woman.
Biologically, we're all human beings. We are made of biological cells. Like, everything that grows or lives are biological. We just got different types of genitals so populate earth. 

Gender is a social construct. 
if you are aware that gender is a social construct, why not dismantle it rather than perpetuating the idea that anyone can be a "woman" if they identify with the gender roles assigned to that descriptor 
because despite it being a social construct, we live in a society built on social constructs.

the goal is for gender to eventually not matter. for there to be just PEOPLE and no one gender being '''''better''''' than others. however, that is still a very far off ideal--if we can't even acknowledge that women have basic, inalienable rights around the world how can we even beginning to dismantle gender and gender roles?

given that, people should be allowed to function under these constructs how they want to. literally why deny a woman the right to call herself a woman.
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Anachronism wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
If you guys are genuinely interested in defining things I'd recommend Meaning by Elbourne, the first chapter if I recall correctly, where he tries to define the word 'chair' and describes the problematic aspects behind it. Our mental lexicons have 'entries' in it, like definitions, so we're able to say a thing is what it is without being able to describe why or even how. A chair might be something with four legs that you can sit on, but everything with four legs that you can sit on are chairs e.g. a cat. There's also things that are chairs without any legs, and chairs that are chairs although you can't sit on them. So when something as simple as a chair is impossible to correctly define - how the hell are we going to describe something that is 1. physical, 2. societal and 3. psychological, probably with more than those three things. I'm sorry if this isn't adequate or even within your question, I'd just like to address the problem with defining things. 
I love you so much.
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Basil wrote:
Yoko wrote:
also this again ,  after last night       im done with this topic for now 
lol thank god!
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Rosa wrote:
Claire wrote:
Rosa wrote:
Moongirlz wrote:
Well Wikipedia says that woman is female human being. And female is sex of an organism that produces egg cells. This is biology but in society anyone can be woman if they want to.
yes wikipedia knows it all.  .. . . ? 
No but really. 
EVERY WOMEN ARE WOMEN! 
If you were born with, let's say, a penis, but you're a woman - you're a woman. 
If you of some sort of cause aren't able to produce eggs, but you have a vagina - and you're a woman, you're a woman.
Biologically, we're all human beings. We are made of biological cells. Like, everything that grows or lives are biological. We just got different types of genitals so populate earth. 

Gender is a social construct. 
But you haven't actually defined what a woman is? Just said if you are one you are one. What exactly is a woman?
I guess that is different for everyone. I can't answer that, I just wanted to point out these things since I feel that they are important. Like, the full gender"chart" is a full spectrum, it's not black and white, it's a whole color spectrum. That's the only way I can explain it. 
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wug wrote:
Anachronism wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
If you guys are genuinely interested in defining things I'd recommend Meaning by Elbourne, the first chapter if I recall correctly, where he tries to define the word 'chair' and describes the problematic aspects behind it. Our mental lexicons have 'entries' in it, like definitions, so we're able to say a thing is what it is without being able to describe why or even how. A chair might be something with four legs that you can sit on, but everything with four legs that you can sit on are chairs e.g. a cat. There's also things that are chairs without any legs, and chairs that are chairs although you can't sit on them. So when something as simple as a chair is impossible to correctly define - how the hell are we going to describe something that is 1. physical, 2. societal and 3. psychological, probably with more than those three things. I'm sorry if this isn't adequate or even within your question, I'd just like to address the problem with defining things. 
I love you so much.
This is 100% inside my field of study I love languages 
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im not even gonna try to define it, seems like an impossible question tbh
Date: 17-09-2018 18:30
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