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"Dating preferences are discriminatory"
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okay my reply isn't just gonna be abt the trans part of this debate but the overall dating preferences shtick

you can't control who you are attracted to: true
BUT your preferences are shaped by the way you were brought up which is most likely a postcolonial, patriarchal society that was shaped by the desires and ideals of the priviledged and powerful, the ideas of often white centered beauty, the ideas of how femininity and masculinity has to look, acceptable family constellations (just going back in history and realizing just how much christianity has shaped morals and societal order yikes), how society schould be structured, ....

On the other hand there is autonomy, every person should have autonomy over their body, i firmly believe that it's one of the most important concepts of a progressive society. No one should force you to make decisions about your body, dating, sex you are not okay with.
No one should force you to date someone of a different 'race', religion(ugh that term is such bs but that's a story for another time), or a trans person or someone of a gender you don't want to.

however, a little critical thinking never hurts so maybe ask yourself why exactly you have specific preferences like ' i wouldn't even consider dating eg a black person or a trans person.'
Being a little open won't hurt, i feel like people are very narrow minded when it comes to dating these days, we have all these unrealistic fantasies that stop us from having functional healthy relationships.
It's important to know your boundaries and respect yourself enough to make healthy choices for your own life, no one can take that away from you, just try to be kind to other people and open to their voices to make informed choices.
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ouch wrote:
Anachronism wrote:
Oh not this shit again. 

Look, I think Riley worded herself poorly, but I dont think shes saying u have to date a trans person.... or anyone really. I think shes saying we all have implicit biases and it's good to challenge those. That's all.
True, I think esp with trans ppl its valid tho (if they haven't had surgery yet) 
I think Riley went a little too far with dismissing genital preferences. In all fairness we really dont know if genital preferences are implicit when it comes to sexuality. I think she makes a fair point that the obsession with genitals is sexual objectification and very invasive. Also just because a person has a set of genitals doesnt mean you have to have contact w/ em in the bedroom, u know? It just... seems so heteronormative to me... its like ppl cant see sex beyond piv penetration subconsciously. 

Tho I am sure there are people who just cant look past certain genitals and that's ok. I dont think she was saying you have to date a trans women with a penis if you're not attracted to them. However I also imagine there are people afraid to date trans ppl b/c of the stigma. I think we should just stop trying to police people's sexuality. If it's safe, sane and consensual, then leave ppl alone. Shit like "lol are traps gay" helps no one, or "if ur a lesbian y use a strap?" Eff off.

I dont always agree w/ riley but I think ppl want to witch hunt her rather than have a productive conversation. 
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i agree with everything she said in her vid i think
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Anachronism wrote:
Oh not this shit again. 

Look, I think Riley worded herself poorly, but I dont think shes saying u have to date a trans person.... or anyone really. I think shes saying we all have implicit biases and it's good to challenge those. That's all.
I don't see how not being attracted to trans people is "bias" though

I don't feel attraction to anyone but white cis men, but that doesn't mean I have internalized racism or transphobia or something like that inside of me

I am invested in being antiracism and antitransphobia, I just don't feel attracted to them

I also don't think people should really look for a "reason" behind their attractions towards other people - kinda weird
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Bram wrote:
Anachronism wrote:
Oh not this shit again. 

Look, I think Riley worded herself poorly, but I dont think shes saying u have to date a trans person.... or anyone really. I think shes saying we all have implicit biases and it's good to challenge those. That's all.
I don't see how not being attracted to trans people is "bias" though

I don't feel attraction to anyone but white cis men, but that doesn't mean I have internalized racism or transphobia or something like that inside of me

I am invested in being antiracism and antitransphobia, I just don't feel attracted to them

I also don't think people should really look for a "reason" behind their attractions towards other people - kinda weird
I agree sexual attraction is often arbitrary and cant be explained. However studies suggest a lot of racial preferences are well.... racist and not just an intrinsic desire. I'm sure for some people it is but can we really rule out how eurocentric, heteronormative beauty standards may influence people? Most things are a mix of nature and nurture, not one or the other. 

Like I said, some people may have distinct preferences for genitals, and I think Riley went too far with rejecting that, but I could see people worrying people will think they're gay or something if they date trans ppl they're attracted to, and thus refusing to do so. Does that really help people have the freedom to pursue what they desire?

I 100% agree w/ disintegration 
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Anachronism wrote:
Bram wrote:
Anachronism wrote:
Oh not this shit again. 

Look, I think Riley worded herself poorly, but I dont think shes saying u have to date a trans person.... or anyone really. I think shes saying we all have implicit biases and it's good to challenge those. That's all.
I don't see how not being attracted to trans people is "bias" though

I don't feel attraction to anyone but white cis men, but that doesn't mean I have internalized racism or transphobia or something like that inside of me

I am invested in being antiracism and antitransphobia, I just don't feel attracted to them

I also don't think people should really look for a "reason" behind their attractions towards other people - kinda weird
I agree sexual attraction is often arbitrary and cant be explained. However studies suggest a lot of racial preferences are well.... racist and not just an intrinsic desire. I'm sure for some people it is but can we really rule out how eurocentric, heteronormative beauty standards may influence people? Most things are a mix of nature and nurture, not one or the other. 

Like I said, some people may have distinct preferences for genitals, and I think Riley went too far with rejecting that, but I could see people worrying people will think they're gay or something if they date trans ppl they're attracted to, and thus refusing to do so. Does that really help people have the freedom to pursue what they desire?

I 100% agree w/ disintegration 
I think mby the reason behind liking only white ppl etc n stuff might not b racism tho, but just u don't see them a lot. Same as like, ppl in black countries not being attracted to white ppls allegedly 
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oh this shitshow of a video ...
no, especially not in this context. 

also saying that gays have "genital preferences" is fucking dumb as SHIT. 
Bloodflowers
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I dont think dating should be allowed
Seems complicated
Bloodflowers
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acidreflux wrote:
oh this shitshow of a video ...
no, especially not in this context. 

also saying that gays have "genital preferences" is fucking dumb as SHIT
What so you mean
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Bloodflowers wrote:
acidreflux wrote:
oh this shitshow of a video ...
no, especially not in this context. 

also saying that gays have "genital preferences" is fucking dumb as SHIT
What so you mean

oh it's discourse abt how gays have to unlearn their genital "preferences" and be more abt dating ppl that aren't attracted to at all. 
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ouch wrote:
Anachronism wrote:
Bram wrote:
I don't see how not being attracted to trans people is "bias" though

I don't feel attraction to anyone but white cis men, but that doesn't mean I have internalized racism or transphobia or something like that inside of me

I am invested in being antiracism and antitransphobia, I just don't feel attracted to them

I also don't think people should really look for a "reason" behind their attractions towards other people - kinda weird
I agree sexual attraction is often arbitrary and cant be explained. However studies suggest a lot of racial preferences are well.... racist and not just an intrinsic desire. I'm sure for some people it is but can we really rule out how eurocentric, heteronormative beauty standards may influence people? Most things are a mix of nature and nurture, not one or the other. 

Like I said, some people may have distinct preferences for genitals, and I think Riley went too far with rejecting that, but I could see people worrying people will think they're gay or something if they date trans ppl they're attracted to, and thus refusing to do so. Does that really help people have the freedom to pursue what they desire?

I 100% agree w/ disintegration 
I think mby the reason behind liking only white ppl etc n stuff might not b racism tho, but just u don't see them a lot. Same as like, ppl in black countries not being attracted to white ppls allegedly 
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_racism

It's a tricky one. I support bodily autonomy and dont think anyone should date people they're not attracted to. However I dont think it should be denied that cultural standards play a role. Introspection and consent is really key. 
Alam
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I thought we left this shit in 2016, where it belongs. Who cares?
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Anachronism wrote:
ouch wrote:
Anachronism wrote:
I agree sexual attraction is often arbitrary and cant be explained. However studies suggest a lot of racial preferences are well.... racist and not just an intrinsic desire. I'm sure for some people it is but can we really rule out how eurocentric, heteronormative beauty standards may influence people? Most things are a mix of nature and nurture, not one or the other. 

Like I said, some people may have distinct preferences for genitals, and I think Riley went too far with rejecting that, but I could see people worrying people will think they're gay or something if they date trans ppl they're attracted to, and thus refusing to do so. Does that really help people have the freedom to pursue what they desire?

I 100% agree w/ disintegration 
I think mby the reason behind liking only white ppl etc n stuff might not b racism tho, but just u don't see them a lot. Same as like, ppl in black countries not being attracted to white ppls allegedly 
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_racism

It's a tricky one. I support bodily autonomy and dont think anyone should date people they're not attracted to. However I dont think it should be denied that cultural standards play a role. Introspection and consent is really key. 
Yes thats what im saying, I wouldn't call it racism, but like, u like what u see around u, so if u grew up around mostly white ppl u like mostly white ppl n vice versa
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Alam wrote:
I thought we left this shit in 2016, where it belongs. Who cares?
I mean Blaire White is still relevant so LOL 

I dont agree at all that Blaire is reasonable. She is a sensationalist tabloid entertainer, nothing more. 
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I want to only date people with backpacks
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