sensorship of christmas songs - Forum

MasileinDE
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MasileinDE wrote:

absintjente wrote:

Angelica wrote:

Libertas wrote:
I think BBC Radio 1 did that with the song "Fairytale Of New York"

I went and gave it a listen to see what it was about.

I think as long as it dosen't contain racial slurs and other straight up hurtful* words there are no actual reason to cancel them out. As masi said too, there are so much offensive music out there still being played, why is this any different.

f*ggott isnt a str8 up hurtful word?
and the premise for the debate is that its getting censored on radio. yes, there is music w worse lyrics but theyre not played on bbc and also literally all songs have bad words bleeped out or lyrics changed if theyre going to be played on radio.

but then what's the issue? if they do it with all the songs to be family friendly, what is the issue? if it's just to potentiall not expose kids to bad words

MasileinDE
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MasileinDE wrote:

catchingthoughts wrote:

Libertas wrote:

Angelica wrote:
Is it in general or is it happening anywhere?

I think BBC Radio 1 did that with the song "Fairytale Of New York"

And "baby it's cold outside"

as far as I get it, the discussion doesn't seem to be about questionabel lyrics, just straight up "bad" words

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absintjente wrote:

MasileinDE wrote:

absintjente wrote:

Angelica wrote:
I went and gave it a listen to see what it was about.

I think as long as it dosen't contain racial slurs and other straight up hurtful* words there are no actual reason to cancel them out. As masi said too, there are so much offensive music out there still being played, why is this any different.

f*ggott isnt a str8 up hurtful word?
and the premise for the debate is that its getting censored on radio. yes, there is music w worse lyrics but theyre not played on bbc and also literally all songs have bad words bleeped out or lyrics changed if theyre going to be played on radio.

but then what's the issue? if they do it with all the songs to be family friendly, what is the issue? if it's just to potentiall not expose kids to bad words

there is no issue, its a constructed debate to make evangelical americans perceive themselves as persecuted

Catchingthoughts
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catchingthoughts wrote:

MasileinDE wrote:

catchingthoughts wrote:

Libertas wrote:
I think BBC Radio 1 did that with the song "Fairytale Of New York"

And "baby it's cold outside"

as far as I get it, the discussion doesn't seem to be about questionabel lyrics, just straight up "bad" words

They've refused to play both songs for the past 2 years, I mean. They sing "Baby it's cold outside" on Elf so are they going to sensor that??? I don't understand why it's good for one but not the other...

MasileinDE
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MasileinDE wrote:

absintjente wrote:

MasileinDE wrote:

absintjente wrote:
f*ggott isnt a str8 up hurtful word?
and the premise for the debate is that its getting censored on radio. yes, there is music w worse lyrics but theyre not played on bbc and also literally all songs have bad words bleeped out or lyrics changed if theyre going to be played on radio.

but then what's the issue? if they do it with all the songs to be family friendly, what is the issue? if it's just to potentiall not expose kids to bad words

there is no issue, its a constructed debate to make evangelical americans perceive themselves as persecuted

if there weren't an issue, then people wouldn't be fighting over it

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Rotte wrote:

absintjente wrote:

Angelica wrote:

Libertas wrote:
I think BBC Radio 1 did that with the song "Fairytale Of New York"

I went and gave it a listen to see what it was about.

I think as long as it dosen't contain racial slurs and other straight up hurtful* words there are no actual reason to cancel them out. As masi said too, there are so much offensive music out there still being played, why is this any different.

f*ggott isnt a str8 up hurtful word?
and the premise for the debate is that its getting censored on radio. yes, there is music w worse lyrics but theyre not played on bbc and also literally all songs have bad words bleeped out or lyrics changed if theyre going to be played on radio.

I will be straight, that went by me in the song.
But my opinion was more in general tho, i personally see nothing wrong with playing the curse words. If this is something bbc with all songs thought, it is just another genre to censor and that's on them.

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absintjente wrote:

MasileinDE wrote:

absintjente wrote:

MasileinDE wrote:

but then what's the issue? if they do it with all the songs to be family friendly, what is the issue? if it's just to potentiall not expose kids to bad words

there is no issue, its a constructed debate to make evangelical americans perceive themselves as persecuted

if there weren't an issue, then people wouldn't be fighting over it

HAH. there are a lot of fights that exists just because ppl want to fight and find something wrong.

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absintjente wrote:

catchingthoughts wrote:

MasileinDE wrote:

catchingthoughts wrote:

And "baby it's cold outside"

as far as I get it, the discussion doesn't seem to be about questionabel lyrics, just straight up "bad" words

They've refused to play both songs for the past 2 years, I mean. They sing "Baby it's cold outside" on Elf so are they going to sensor that??? I don't understand why it's good for one but not the other...

they play the censored version on bbc1, while bbc2 plays the original version...

MasileinDE
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MasileinDE wrote:

catchingthoughts wrote:

MasileinDE wrote:

catchingthoughts wrote:

And "baby it's cold outside"

as far as I get it, the discussion doesn't seem to be about questionabel lyrics, just straight up "bad" words

They've refused to play both songs for the past 2 years, I mean. They sing "Baby it's cold outside" on Elf so are they going to sensor that??? I don't understand why it's good for one but not the other...

not what I said
I thought it was just a discussion about using certain words in the songs and not what a song is about
like, Baby it's cold outside sure has very non-consensual vibes, but it doesn't use sexist or racial slurs
I thought this was what the discussion was about, but if I'm wrong and it's about bad words AND improper conduct, my main argument of there being other songs out there that don't get censored and are produced this year, so I think it's still very biased still stands

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wug wrote:

absintjente wrote:

MasileinDE wrote:

absintjente wrote:
there is no issue, its a constructed debate to make evangelical americans perceive themselves as persecuted

if there weren't an issue, then people wouldn't be fighting over it

HAH. there are a lot of fights that exists just because ppl want to fight and find something wrong.

All fights on vp 🤪

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absintjente wrote:

Angelica wrote:

absintjente wrote:

Angelica wrote:
I went and gave it a listen to see what it was about.

I think as long as it dosen't contain racial slurs and other straight up hurtful* words there are no actual reason to cancel them out. As masi said too, there are so much offensive music out there still being played, why is this any different.

f*ggott isnt a str8 up hurtful word?
and the premise for the debate is that its getting censored on radio. yes, there is music w worse lyrics but theyre not played on bbc and also literally all songs have bad words bleeped out or lyrics changed if theyre going to be played on radio.

I will be straight, that went by me in the song.
But my opinion was more in general tho, i personally see nothing wrong with playing the curse words. If this is something bbc with all songs thought, it is just another genre to censor and that's on them.

i agree that censoring swear words is a weird and archaic practice, but i think that presenting the debate as "censorship of christmas songs" is dishonest.

MasileinDE
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MasileinDE wrote:

absintjente wrote:

Angelica wrote:

absintjente wrote:
f*ggott isnt a str8 up hurtful word?
and the premise for the debate is that its getting censored on radio. yes, there is music w worse lyrics but theyre not played on bbc and also literally all songs have bad words bleeped out or lyrics changed if theyre going to be played on radio.

I will be straight, that went by me in the song.
But my opinion was more in general tho, i personally see nothing wrong with playing the curse words. If this is something bbc with all songs thought, it is just another genre to censor and that's on them.

i agree that censoring swear words is a weird and archaic practice, but i think that presenting the debate as "censorship of christmas songs" is dishonest.

that's what I was trying to get at
if we censor them just because they're christmas songs, why don't we also censor other songs that are just as bad?

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TrashyTrash wrote:
Tbh I don't think they should be cencored but people should be reminded of that the songs are a product of their time and instead of cencoring them it should be an opportunity to make new christmas songs if people aren't comfortable with using the old ones

MasileinDE
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MasileinDE wrote:

TrashyTrash wrote:
Tbh I don't think they should be cencored but people should be reminded of that the songs are a product of their time and instead of cencoring them it should be an opportunity to make new christmas songs if people aren't comfortable with using the old ones

there's similiar songs still being produced like this year, so it's not just a product of their time, it's a still present issue and people just prefer to ignore what's wrong with today's world and focus on the fuck ups of the past. sure, they are important too, but maybe also call out what's going wrong today instead of just being like "mistakes were made, we need to be better, but before we do, let's make the same mistake again, because we aren't the future yet, but still in the now"

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Rotte wrote:
actually that comment made me think (trashytrash)

I personally don't see the point in even playing songs that is censored? i don't know if it just me. If u have a reason not to play the song as it is, why play it?