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ouch wrote:
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"According to the individualist, all values are human-centred, the individual is of supreme importance, and all individuals are morally equal.". No
lots of values/morals in society are rather animalistic wouldnt u agree. humans (women) could do without much of what we (men) deem valuable and morally acceptable
I am not the right person to talk with abt men and women 
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Date: 11-04-2022 00:28
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elaborate?
Failing to recognize how not making sacrifices in order to help others will backfire because everything you have is because of others. 
We live in a society *sad emotions*
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* most "westner" people don't aknowledge or are aware of the entwineness between people and the planet in our everyday life. We are not seperate powers, and we are not seperate worlds. We inherently rely on the lives of others to fullfill our needs - people, animals, nature - to gives us food, clothes, enough freetime to get educated, and so on. We are also a pack species. We rarely survive long alone. 
* Yet, individualism, winning and stomping on others to get there,  and get individual sucess and so on seems to be some weird ass ideal i never personally have understood or related much to. It doesn't seem to make a lot of people happy either. 
* still, some degree of personal care, capability and urgency is important. We have different needs and wants at different times that likely won't be solved if we only cared for the large-scale community. 

Hope this made enough sense. 
Date: 11-04-2022 00:33
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uhhhhh idk but according to misjel i am a communitarian, do w that what u will 
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spynation wrote:
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* most "westner" people don't aknowledge or are aware of the entwineness between people and the planet in our everyday life. We are not seperate powers, and we are not seperate worlds. We inherently rely on the lives of others to fullfill our needs - people, animals, nature - to gives us food, clothes, enough freetime to get educated, and so on. We are also a pack species. We rarely survive long alone. 
* Yet, individualism, winning and stomping on others to get there,  and get individual sucess and so on seems to be some weird ass ideal i never personally have understood or related much to. It doesn't seem to make a lot of people happy either. 
* still, some degree of personal care, capability and urgency is important. We have different needs and wants at different times that likely won't be solved if we only cared for the large-scale community. 

Hope this made enough sense. 
yeah this has been very insightful im curious about a potential crossover between anti individualism and anti identity politics or a lack of and why that may be, whichever result would come out of a hypothetical study
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Date: 11-04-2022 00:36
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In an ideal world I think every man for themselves bla bla bla so I guess individualism in a sense (I can't bother reading a word abt what it is im just going off the name or whatever) but in real life I think ppl should give me stuff so community is good 
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Date: 11-04-2022 00:39
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spynation wrote:
ouch wrote:
In an ideal world I think every man for themselves bla bla bla so I guess individualism in a sense (I can't bother reading a word abt what it is im just going off the name or whatever) but in real life I think ppl should give me stuff so community is good 

we do live in that world and its not ideal lol every man being for himself is the birth of patriarchy, war and many other horrible things
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Date: 11-04-2022 00:43
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ouch wrote:
spynation wrote:
ouch wrote:
In an ideal world I think every man for themselves bla bla bla so I guess individualism in a sense (I can't bother reading a word abt what it is im just going off the name or whatever) but in real life I think ppl should give me stuff so community is good 

we do live in that world and its not ideal lol every man being for himself is the birth of patriarchy, war and many other horrible things
No we have socialism stuff mixed in, which is not in my ideal world, pure capitalism or whatever idc. But we do live in a society and I have to exploit the benefits of that. I would be dead in my own ideal world lol but thats my own fault 
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Date: 11-04-2022 00:48
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ouch wrote:
No wait anarcho-capitalism probably 
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ouch wrote:
In an ideal world I think every man for themselves bla bla bla so I guess individualism in a sense (I can't bother reading a word abt what it is im just going off the name or whatever) but in real life I think ppl should give me stuff so community is good 
My ideal world is strongly community based tbh
Date: 11-04-2022 00:56
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cba to explain my whole stance in my own words so heres a take i am in v strong agreement with BUT i do think some people manage to pioneer ideas and styles that feel distinct even if they house recognizable influence. on a basic human nature level tho yh nobody is special and nobody is socialized against the grain of literally everyone else which is why i dont believe "alternative" is real .... nor is any other identity 

this is actually such a hot take. im thinking now
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Date: 11-04-2022 00:58
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spynation wrote:
Eostre wrote:
ouch wrote:
In an ideal world I think every man for themselves bla bla bla so I guess individualism in a sense (I can't bother reading a word abt what it is im just going off the name or whatever) but in real life I think ppl should give me stuff so community is good 
My ideal world is strongly community based tbh
lets found a female only commune together
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Date: 11-04-2022 01:06
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autism wrote:
spynation wrote:
Eostre wrote:
ouch wrote:
In an ideal world I think every man for themselves bla bla bla so I guess individualism in a sense (I can't bother reading a word abt what it is im just going off the name or whatever) but in real life I think ppl should give me stuff so community is good 
My ideal world is strongly community based tbh
lets found a female only commune together
this sounds so terfy
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Alunanova wrote:

Eostre wrote:
* most "westner" people don't aknowledge or are aware of the entwineness between people and the planet in our everyday life. We are not seperate powers, and we are not seperate worlds. We inherently rely on the lives of others to fullfill our needs - people, animals, nature - to gives us food, clothes, enough freetime to get educated, and so on. We are also a pack species. We rarely survive long alone. 
* Yet, individualism, winning and stomping on others to get there,  and get individual sucess and so on seems to be some weird ass ideal i never personally have understood or related much to. It doesn't seem to make a lot of people happy either. 
* still, some degree of personal care, capability and urgency is important. We have different needs and wants at different times that likely won't be solved if we only cared for the large-scale community. 

Hope this made enough sense. 
I agree for the most part. Im from such a western country, specifically Norway. Most of us does not have this mindset ur referring to as "stomping on each other" to get further ahead in life, even though we've been brought up in a individualistic society. Speaking from a young western womans perspective on individualism, i think the way it comes across most profound is that; we're not as dependent on our family/parents when growing up (financials and such), therefore we can choose more independently what we want to do with our life, rather than being pressured into doing something because someone else is paying for it. 
Most of the youth here are very aware that we have to function as a society and that we are all one.
I am Norwegian as well and I see people lobbying for their own sucesses and self-interest all the time. Function as a society is fun bc we also function by being pressured by big companies and interest so functioning alone can not be the goal. These companies are also built up of individuals agreeing on the discourse. Yet, the "everyday norwegian" may come across much more humbled, not really there up moving any pieces. However, it really is a individual question. Norway surely posess people willing and capable of doing it as much as people everywhere below that stance. 

Idk how you grew up or where because norway has a lor of options. I grew up dependent on my family for sure. I have options available due to the welfare system that I wouldn't have in some other countries. Pressure still exists - and that's like totally parents projecting their shit onto their kids imo a lot of the times, here or elsewhere. Idk even what I'd put into functioning as a society. Political action? Grasroot movements? Sport teams culture? Going to school and work? Self sufficiency? Economic growth?
Individual actions always feeds into bigger systems of actions anyways. 
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