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BEWAREARTEMIS
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BEWAREARTEMIS wrote:

Koolaid wrote:

Rosa wrote:

Koolaid wrote:
but what i don't understand is.. you can be a masculine female and still identify as female, and vice versa

i feel like all these labels just enforce gender stereotypes. you can act however you want and it doesn't mean you have to identify as another gender/sex because of it

But the thing is, that it's not the system we have. We aren't comfortable with being called women. It could have been like that, but humanity has concentrated gender roles so strongly that it's impossible for most of us.

isn't it more effective to say ' hey im a woman but i dont act like how you expect a woman to be' instead of abandoning that and making microlabels where you actually stereotype yourself further?

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Women have different bodies,
some has less curves, some has more curves
some are bigger, some are smaller
there's no ok way to be a woman, and perhaps we should just try to eliminate the idea that women have to look an specific way or act an specific way, or anything

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ouch wrote:

Heaven wrote:

ouch wrote:
I dont get how ppl r trans (especially nb) when everything is just based on like...hmmm.. gender norms?? Especially those who say u don't need gender dysphoria but das an argument for another day

can u elaborate bold a little @_@

I just mean that gender is a social norm, how a female for example is "supposed" to look, act etc, what makes a woman a woman
I see someone else used it as ... reenforcing gender stereotypes which ig is true? Which is why im so confused at how u can be trans without dysphoria, cus really ur just uncomfortable with for example the typically feminine, but what differs trans ppl from cis ppl that are outside that box if not dysphoria
Idk if that makes sense lol hard to explain

Pavlov
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Pavlov wrote:

Koolaid wrote:

Rosa wrote:

Koolaid wrote:
but what i don't understand is.. you can be a masculine female and still identify as female, and vice versa

i feel like all these labels just enforce gender stereotypes. you can act however you want and it doesn't mean you have to identify as another gender/sex because of it

But the thing is, that it's not the system we have. We aren't comfortable with being called women. It could have been like that, but humanity has concentrated gender roles so strongly that it's impossible for most of us.

isn't it more effective to say ' hey im a woman but i dont act like how you expect a woman to be' instead of abandoning that and making microlabels where you actually stereotype yourself further?

lol yeah i kinda feel like labels alianate people or forces them to use them on themselves because if they dont they somehow become a female conforming to the stereotype of being a woman

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Koolaid wrote:
in my opinion, you create a disconnect when you say 'all women are women' but then you decide to not identify as one because you don't feel like the stereotypical woman.

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Arthema wrote:

BEWAREARTEMIS wrote:

Abby wrote:

BEWAREARTEMIS wrote:
You don't really choose when it comes to feeling sexually attracted to someone, but the 99% of the time, you start to feel like that when you've been knowing that someone for a longer time

doesn't attraction usually comes when you see the person? like biologically when should be attracted to ppl by some certain things that are written in our brains
most of my friends if not all just know when they see a person if they're attracted to em
don't know how it works
made me think I was asexual
but then felt attraction under some serious criteria
but meh just do whatever u feel good with

You could look at someone and think that they're attractive, that happens a lot
but I meant, when you actually want to be with that person, when you know them more personally, maybe?

nono I look at ppl ,
and don't think that, everything but attractive
don't want them in any sexual way
like I do feel romantic feelings but the attraction is NEVER there
it MAYBE will arrive if our bond will be deep? idk it's some weird shit
that's why I don't label it
I don't think I met someone that thinks so
I might not be the only one
but
idk
nothing and no one is attractive to me
thnking someone is pretty or handsome or beautiful , doesn't make em attractive to me,not at all

BEWAREARTEMIS
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BEWAREARTEMIS wrote:

mikkelrev wrote:

BEWAREARTEMIS wrote:

disintegration wrote:

would be nice to have my pronouns and name respected tho, i think that is owed to me

If you wanted me to call you, for example, Taylor, I'm going to call you Taylor.
If you wanted me to use they/them, for example, I'm going to refer to you as they/them, even if I still am not used to it
It's not really something that it's owed to anyone, but rather to be polite

its polite to respect someone? its just to be polite?

I consider polite the same thing as respect
For example, people don't owe you to treat you correctly, it's something that should be the norm? Sorry if I explained myself wrong

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Rosa wrote:

Koolaid wrote:

Rosa wrote:

Koolaid wrote:
but what i don't understand is.. you can be a masculine female and still identify as female, and vice versa

i feel like all these labels just enforce gender stereotypes. you can act however you want and it doesn't mean you have to identify as another gender/sex because of it

But the thing is, that it's not the system we have. We aren't comfortable with being called women. It could have been like that, but humanity has concentrated gender roles so strongly that it's impossible for most of us.

isn't it more effective to say ' hey im a woman but i dont act like how you expect a woman to be' instead of abandoning that and making microlabels where you actually stereotype yourself further?

No! Labeling is really important for some people! It's a helpful tool! Sooo many trans ppl are really fluid about their labels. It's a nice way of getting to know yourself and putting your feelings into words.

Meep
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Meep wrote:
isnt demisexual and asexual kiiiiiind of the same thing?

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ouch wrote:

Heaven wrote:

ouch wrote:
I dont get how ppl r trans (especially nb) when everything is just based on like...hmmm.. gender norms?? Especially those who say u don't need gender dysphoria but das an argument for another day

can u elaborate bold a little @_@

I just mean that gender is a social norm, how a female for example is "supposed" to look, act etc, what makes a woman a woman
I see someone else used it as ... reenforcing gender stereotypes which ig is true? Which is why im so confused at how u can be trans without dysphoria, cus really ur just uncomfortable with for example the typically feminine, but what differs trans ppl from cis ppl that are outside that box is not dysphoria
Idk if that makes sense lol hard to explain

i think i agree with what you're saying now that i think abt it damn, like thats v right
although i still don't mind trans ppl without dysphoria (i still majorly agree that u must have it to be trans), i just don care abt it
but yes the reinforcing stereotypes thing might just b true

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ouch wrote:

Meep wrote:
isnt demisexual and asexual kiiiiiind of the same thing?

What

Pavlov
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Pavlov wrote:

Meep wrote:
isnt demisexual and asexual kiiiiiind of the same thing?

nah

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Meep wrote:
isnt demisexual and asexual kiiiiiind of the same thing?

err no lol

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Koolaid wrote:

Rosa wrote:

Koolaid wrote:

Rosa wrote:
But the thing is, that it's not the system we have. We aren't comfortable with being called women. It could have been like that, but humanity has concentrated gender roles so strongly that it's impossible for most of us.

isn't it more effective to say ' hey im a woman but i dont act like how you expect a woman to be' instead of abandoning that and making microlabels where you actually stereotype yourself further?

No! Labeling is really important for some people! It's a helpful tool! Sooo many trans ppl are really fluid about their labels. It's a nice way of getting to know yourself and putting your feelings into words.

i still don't really understand it tho sorry

i mean imo you can just say 'i prefer to have sex after forming an intimate connection' instead of making a sexuality about it

or 'i prefer to act masculine' instead of saying i identify as male

cause what you now get is things like he/him lesbians etc. that really invalidate the sexualities of many people

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uhyre wrote:

Meep wrote:
isnt demisexual and asexual kiiiiiind of the same thing?

asexuality is not being sexually attracted at all?

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ouch wrote:

Heaven wrote:

ouch wrote:

Heaven wrote:
can u elaborate bold a little @_@

I just mean that gender is a social norm, how a female for example is "supposed" to look, act etc, what makes a woman a woman
I see someone else used it as ... reenforcing gender stereotypes which ig is true? Which is why im so confused at how u can be trans without dysphoria, cus really ur just uncomfortable with for example the typically feminine, but what differs trans ppl from cis ppl that are outside that box is not dysphoria
Idk if that makes sense lol hard to explain

i think i agree with what you're saying now that i think abt it damn, like thats v right
although i still don't mind trans ppl without dysphoria (i still majorly agree that u must have it to be trans), i just don care abt it
but yes the reinforcing stereotypes thing might just b true

I don't rlly care either but also it doesn't make sense to me tho, just like confusen to me but its fine