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Rosa wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
Rosa wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
isn't it more effective to say ' hey im a woman but i dont act like how you expect a woman to be' instead of abandoning that and making microlabels where you actually stereotype yourself further?
No! Labeling is really important for some people! It's a helpful tool! Sooo many trans ppl are really fluid about their labels. It's a nice way of getting to know yourself and putting your feelings into words. 
i still don't really understand it tho sorry

i mean imo you can just say 'i prefer to have sex after forming an intimate connection' instead of making a sexuality about it


or 'i prefer to act masculine' instead of saying i identify as male


cause what you now get is things like he/him lesbians etc. that really invalidate the sexualities of many people
It's okay. It's a lot of factors to try to understand. I just hope that you guys are open to what I'm trying to explain. 

He/him can be an important part of your identity, but he/him can also basically be the a pronoun you feel comfortable with. You don't have to be 100% dude to be called he/him. 
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Date: 03-07-2020 18:34
BEWAREARTEMIS
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BEWAREARTEMIS wrote:
Abby wrote:
BEWAREARTEMIS wrote:
Abby wrote:
nono I look at ppl ,
and don't think that, everything but attractive
don't want them in any sexual way
like I do feel romantic feelings but the attraction is NEVER there
it MAYBE will arrive if our bond will be deep? idk it's some weird shit
that's why I don't label it
I don't think I met someone that thinks so
I might not be the only one
but
idk
nothing and no one is attractive to me
thnking someone is pretty or handsome or beautiful , doesn't make em attractive to me,not at all
It doesn't need a label, is the way you feel attraction or the way you create emotional bonds with others
that's why I don't go by one
I feel like these are not important for me? I love
I live
that's it
also by that logic I should have been attracted to a whole lot more ppl
cus I have best friends
but nope
that's y it doesn't have a label
And that's totally okay, don't feel pressured into labeling yourself
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Date: 03-07-2020 18:34
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ouch wrote:
Heaven wrote:
one thing that im curious abt is do u think its valid to have dysphoria and be NB instead of identifying w the opposite gender

lmk
I think thats more valid than being nb with no dysphoria at all but idk
U don't neccesaraly feel dysphoria abt the same stuff ig, im thinking its more a mashup of the genders or feeling like ur body should be genderless, instead of transitioning strictly from one gender to another 
yea agreeing 
i feel like it indeed is feeling like you don't want either sexes
Date: 03-07-2020 18:35
Pavlov
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Pavlov wrote:
Claire wrote:
Pavlov wrote:
Claire wrote:
pavlov haven't you made up your own mind about what you believe about all of this by now? you've made this same thread like a year ago.
yeah i know i never get any less confused after these threads
i think you're looking for a definitive answer about something that's ideological. there is no definitive answer about any of this- the same as there's no definitive answers about religion. different people have different beleifs about this and you have to decide for yourself what you beleive in.
yeah i guess thats fair
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Date: 03-07-2020 18:36
BEWAREARTEMIS
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BEWAREARTEMIS wrote:
Claire wrote:
Pavlov wrote:
Claire wrote:
pavlov haven't you made up your own mind about what you believe about all of this by now? you've made this same thread like a year ago.
yeah i know i never get any less confused after these threads
i think you're looking for a definitive answer about something that's ideological. there is no definitive answer about any of this- the same as there's no definitive answers about religion. different people have different beleifs about this and you have to decide for yourself what you beleive in.
I agree
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Date: 03-07-2020 18:37
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Arthema wrote:
BEWAREARTEMIS wrote:
Abby wrote:
BEWAREARTEMIS wrote:
It doesn't need a label, is the way you feel attraction or the way you create emotional bonds with others
that's why I don't go by one
I feel like these are not important for me? I love
I live
that's it
also by that logic I should have been attracted to a whole lot more ppl
cus I have best friends
but nope
that's y it doesn't have a label
And that's totally okay, don't feel pressured into labeling yourself
I don't and I appreciate ppl like u
because u know at the end even if for example we're both the same label lets say
it'll always be different
unique
so what's the point? I mean some ppl it might help?
but I'm good haha
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Date: 03-07-2020 18:37
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ouch wrote:
Heaven wrote:
ouch wrote:
Heaven wrote:
one thing that im curious abt is do u think its valid to have dysphoria and be NB instead of identifying w the opposite gender

lmk
I think thats more valid than being nb with no dysphoria at all but idk
U don't neccesaraly feel dysphoria abt the same stuff ig, im thinking its more a mashup of the genders or feeling like ur body should be genderless, instead of transitioning strictly from one gender to another 
yea agreeing 
i feel like it indeed is feeling like you don't want either sexes
Yeah but thats why I get iffy abt ppl that are comfortable with their natural body, is comfortable dressing and presenting like their sex, and then they call themselves trans
Like not devaluing anyone but seems very weird  
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Date: 03-07-2020 18:37
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Arthema wrote:
Claire wrote:
Pavlov wrote:
Claire wrote:
pavlov haven't you made up your own mind about what you believe about all of this by now? you've made this same thread like a year ago.
yeah i know i never get any less confused after these threads
i think you're looking for a definitive answer about something that's ideological. there is no definitive answer about any of this- the same as there's no definitive answers about religion. different people have different beleifs about this and you have to decide for yourself what you beleive in.
wise words
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Date: 03-07-2020 18:37
BEWAREARTEMIS
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BEWAREARTEMIS wrote:
ouch wrote:
Heaven wrote:
ouch wrote:
I think thats more valid than being nb with no dysphoria at all but idk
U don't neccesaraly feel dysphoria abt the same stuff ig, im thinking its more a mashup of the genders or feeling like ur body should be genderless, instead of transitioning strictly from one gender to another 
yea agreeing 
i feel like it indeed is feeling like you don't want either sexes
Yeah but thats why I get iffy abt ppl that are comfortable with their natural body, is comfortable dressing and presenting like their sex, and then they call themselves trans
Like not devaluing anyone but seems very weird  
Though the way you dress does not imply your sex, but yes, I find it sketchy
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Date: 03-07-2020 18:38
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wrote:
ouch wrote:
Heaven wrote:
ouch wrote:
I think thats more valid than being nb with no dysphoria at all but idk
U don't neccesaraly feel dysphoria abt the same stuff ig, im thinking its more a mashup of the genders or feeling like ur body should be genderless, instead of transitioning strictly from one gender to another 
yea agreeing 
i feel like it indeed is feeling like you don't want either sexes
Yeah but thats why I get iffy abt ppl that are comfortable with their natural body, is comfortable dressing and presenting like their sex, and then they call themselves trans
Like not devaluing anyone but seems very weird  
again someone whom is trans without dysphoria yeah
it's complicated to understand it and yea perhaps it kinda reduces the value of struggling with dysphoria
i have to agree, maybe im changing my opinion and leaning towards the "u must have dysphoria" thing lol now that i think abt it,...
Date: 03-07-2020 18:39
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Rosa wrote:
Heaven wrote:
one thing that im curious abt is do u think its valid to have dysphoria and be NB instead of identifying w the opposite gender

lmk

I feel like this! My soul is queer, I dont feel comfortable with labels, but physically, I wish my body had masculine features. I'm like, a pretty flamboyant person with body dysphoria. My current body is not the one I'd like to have forever. 
Non-binaries can be confident in their bodies and not want to change anything. Dysphoria can be based on how other people perceive u. 
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Date: 03-07-2020 18:39
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ouch wrote:
BEWAREARTEMIS wrote:
ouch wrote:
Heaven wrote:
yea agreeing 
i feel like it indeed is feeling like you don't want either sexes
Yeah but thats why I get iffy abt ppl that are comfortable with their natural body, is comfortable dressing and presenting like their sex, and then they call themselves trans
Like not devaluing anyone but seems very weird  
Though the way you dress does not imply your sex, but yes, I find it sketchy
Yeah, but i think of it as a part of the gender u are presenting to society, and if that gender matches the one u were born as and u have no plan to change anything either, then idk make no sense to me 
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Date: 03-07-2020 18:39
BEWAREARTEMIS
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BEWAREARTEMIS wrote:
Abby wrote:
BEWAREARTEMIS wrote:
Abby wrote:
that's why I don't go by one
I feel like these are not important for me? I love
I live
that's it
also by that logic I should have been attracted to a whole lot more ppl
cus I have best friends
but nope
that's y it doesn't have a label
And that's totally okay, don't feel pressured into labeling yourself
I don't and I appreciate ppl like u
because u know at the end even if for example we're both the same label lets say
it'll always be different
unique
so what's the point? I mean some ppl it might help?
but I'm good haha
I mean, if someone feels better labeling themselves, I don't really care because it does not harm anyone, it does not make anyone uncomfortable or anything
And yes, that's why I don't use much labels too
I'm just a butch lesbian and that's life
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Date: 03-07-2020 18:39
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ouch wrote:
Heaven wrote:
ouch wrote:
Heaven wrote:
yea agreeing 
i feel like it indeed is feeling like you don't want either sexes
Yeah but thats why I get iffy abt ppl that are comfortable with their natural body, is comfortable dressing and presenting like their sex, and then they call themselves trans
Like not devaluing anyone but seems very weird  
again someone whom is trans without dysphoria yeah
it's complicated to understand it and yea perhaps it kinda reduces the value of struggling with dysphoria
i have to agree, maybe im changing my opinion and leaning towards the "u must have dysphoria" thing lol now that i think abt it,...
Iss a bit redundant the more u think abt it the less it makes sense lol 
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Date: 03-07-2020 18:40
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wrote:
Rosa wrote:
Heaven wrote:
one thing that im curious abt is do u think its valid to have dysphoria and be NB instead of identifying w the opposite gender

lmk

I feel like this! My soul is queer, I dont feel comfortable with labels, but physically, I wish my body had masculine features. I'm like, a pretty flamboyant person with body dysphoria. My current body is not the one I'd like to have forever. 
Non-binaries can be confident in their bodies and not want to change anything. Dysphoria can be based on how other people perceive u. 
oh im curious, can u elaborate on bold
Date: 03-07-2020 18:41
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