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Cerveza
Streetmusician

Cerveza wrote:

DeIure wrote:

Cerveza wrote:

Abby wrote:
"clown action" an admin designing for the competition is good enough of a reason
She was getting paid here, and wanted to get paid there as well, when the 2 sites are competitors.
She will still get paid for this month from what he said and that's it

The only shitty thing here will be if the site will be shutting down, considering the effort and money people put into it, but people are not paying enough to keep the thing afloat, compared to the DE and EN servers
And Etjan said already that he contacted devs to see if there's a possibility to merge servers so people won't lose their stuff but the site is just built on a mishmash of old and shitty code so that it is not possible.

Besides that he did express that he does not want to close it down and seems to be seriously thinking about it, everything here seems and sounds very reasonable from a calm and professional perspective

but this wasn't their agreement, she couldnt work for it, if Wishbone really was accepted as JD, she would've said it and handed in her notice.

one month's notice doesn't give you the right to keep your privileges in the work place you're quitting. It just gives you the right for the pay for that month's work. This is very common.

Applying for work somewhere might not be working for them, but it can still be against the agreement of the contract.

You are right! But Etjen at first didn't give her her one month's notice. We all see why she wouldn't be able to work for both websites, but Etjen at first decided to end it all not according to their agreement. But she gets her notice now, so that is okay.

Private
Minister of Pop

Arthema wrote:

Cerveza wrote:

Abby wrote:

koreaboo wrote:
the whole mods thing wouldn't have happened if etjen didn't pull his clown action.

"clown action" an admin designing for the competition is good enough of a reason
She was getting paid here, and wanted to get paid there as well, when the 2 sites are competitors.
She will still get paid for this month from what he said and that's it

The only shitty thing here will be if the site will be shutting down, considering the effort and money people put into it, but people are not paying enough to keep the thing afloat, compared to the DE and EN servers
And Etjan said already that he contacted devs to see if there's a possibility to merge servers so people won't lose their stuff but the site is just built on a mishmash of old and shitty code so that it is not possible.

Besides that he did express that he does not want to close it down and seems to be seriously thinking about it, everything here seems and sounds very reasonable from a calm and professional perspective

but this wasn't their agreement, she couldnt work for it, if Wishbone really was accepted as JD, she would've said it and handed in her notice.

he himself said that they had a talk about it already WAY back, last year, yet you still keep on reacting only to specific things.
It definitely can be against the agreement to help improve the competitor and can be reason for termination of the contract.
For all Etjan cared he could just fire her and not pay her from the day he fired her and be much more unreasonable, but he's been very professional and will pay for the full month so that is the 1 month notice and him giving her an option to find\apply for something else while she''ll still get the money for this month.

besides, how would you know it wasn't their agreement? did wishbone say things that made it appear that it wasn't? because Etjan DID react and while true, if she did I saw nothing about it and have no info but I got the knowledge about it directly from etjan as he's been transparent about it, what about you?
did wishbone say anything about it?

Private
Minister of Pop

Arthema wrote:

Cerveza wrote:

DeIure wrote:

Cerveza wrote:

but this wasn't their agreement, she couldnt work for it, if Wishbone really was accepted as JD, she would've said it and handed in her notice.

one month's notice doesn't give you the right to keep your privileges in the work place you're quitting. It just gives you the right for the pay for that month's work. This is very common.

Applying for work somewhere might not be working for them, but it can still be against the agreement of the contract.

You are right! But Etjen at first didn't give her her one month's notice. We all see why she wouldn't be able to work for both websites, but Etjen at first decided to end it all not according to their agreement. But she gets her notice now, so that is okay.

if you go by the NL rules, the owner is australian and she is his worker, I am not sure those apply in their case as well,
also by telling her to cease the job here, but still pay her for a month, it is a month's notice as she has a secure month of payment to find another job.

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World famous

Babel wrote:

Cerveza wrote:

DeIure wrote:

Cerveza wrote:

but this wasn't their agreement, she couldnt work for it, if Wishbone really was accepted as JD, she would've said it and handed in her notice.

one month's notice doesn't give you the right to keep your privileges in the work place you're quitting. It just gives you the right for the pay for that month's work. This is very common.

Applying for work somewhere might not be working for them, but it can still be against the agreement of the contract.

You are right! But Etjen at first didn't give her her one month's notice. We all see why she wouldn't be able to work for both websites, but Etjen at first decided to end it all not according to their agreement. But she gets her notice now, so that is okay.

I do not understand Dutch, but is this something you have actual concrete proof of, or is it just how Wishbone has put it out? Lurking with Google Translate doesn't give the full picture of course, but I see nowhere that Etjen has said she wouldn't get paid when terminated, just that she lost admin privileges, which is common practice.

In this thread he's also written:
"I think there is a misunderstanding. Wishbone will still get paid for that month but her admin role was stopped in the same way that any company will terminate your employment immediately when they find out you are applying and have been doing jobs for a competitor "

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Babel wrote:

Cerveza wrote:

Abby wrote:

MasileinDE wrote:
I applaud your patience talking to brick and mortar, though to be fair, my walls never reply to me, so no wonder I don't have tha patience for it

honestly, I understand that the dutch users are furious, but also ... maybe not the right way to go at it?
but most of all I love the "I don't want to pay for something; if others have to pay for it, then it's just poor leadership and I shouldn't be made responsible for refusing to pay for what I use, because cearly it is my given right to not have to pay for things and expect others to cover my costs as well".
I mean, come on, with that attitude, the server wouldn't survive the end of this year either way, so why is anyone of the dutch surprised this process may now get sped up? I hope it doesn't because that would just suck for all the achievements people had, and yet ... this was kinda the deal when signing up to VP? like ... can we really be mad if parts of the game have to close down because they aren't doing well enough financially and some parts of the userbase refuse to take responsibility for this? (which we kinda have to, considering we have to pay for upkeep if we want to play. this is pure maths ... people being so damn spoiled with paying without noticing it that they think stuff online is genuinely free...)

I have 2 reasons for that really
reason number 1 being that I remember that language barriers, even when the 2 sides have some fluency in a common language, can create misunderstandings, therefore we should be patient when we can and the explanation can be the thing that fixes the misunderstanding
sometimes it works
sometimes it doesn't

other thing is that people really do not understand how servers work, server costs are, and how normal laws of resigning and being fired works

besides that I agree 100% with all the rest that you've said, couldn't have said it better

I understand it tho and I see how the process works lol. The most of the Dutch users just don't want to spend money on a website if they don't get anything in return while that is promised.

Which is fair, but actions have consequences. In this case it's the server closing bc it isn't profitable. If people are against that, then they should support the product they want to use.

If this isn't a problem I honestly don't understand the riots.

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Minister of Pop

Arthema wrote:

Cerveza wrote:

Abby wrote:

MasileinDE wrote:
I applaud your patience talking to brick and mortar, though to be fair, my walls never reply to me, so no wonder I don't have tha patience for it

honestly, I understand that the dutch users are furious, but also ... maybe not the right way to go at it?
but most of all I love the "I don't want to pay for something; if others have to pay for it, then it's just poor leadership and I shouldn't be made responsible for refusing to pay for what I use, because cearly it is my given right to not have to pay for things and expect others to cover my costs as well".
I mean, come on, with that attitude, the server wouldn't survive the end of this year either way, so why is anyone of the dutch surprised this process may now get sped up? I hope it doesn't because that would just suck for all the achievements people had, and yet ... this was kinda the deal when signing up to VP? like ... can we really be mad if parts of the game have to close down because they aren't doing well enough financially and some parts of the userbase refuse to take responsibility for this? (which we kinda have to, considering we have to pay for upkeep if we want to play. this is pure maths ... people being so damn spoiled with paying without noticing it that they think stuff online is genuinely free...)

I have 2 reasons for that really
reason number 1 being that I remember that language barriers, even when the 2 sides have some fluency in a common language, can create misunderstandings, therefore we should be patient when we can and the explanation can be the thing that fixes the misunderstanding
sometimes it works
sometimes it doesn't

other thing is that people really do not understand how servers work, server costs are, and how normal laws of resigning and being fired works

besides that I agree 100% with all the rest that you've said, couldn't have said it better

I understand it tho and I see how the process works lol. The most of the Dutch users just don't want to spend money on a website if they don't get anything in return while that is promised.

Cerveza, that one was not directed at you personally, although I would like to hear what you mean by " if they don't get anything in return while that is promised."
considering there is a new admin (newish, been a while but those things take time) and he's got a LOT of work to do to even fix small things here with the very bad code that we have here so if you'd like to elaborate I'd love to hear what you mean

Private
Minister of Pop

Arthema wrote:

DeIure wrote:

Cerveza wrote:

Abby wrote:
I have 2 reasons for that really
reason number 1 being that I remember that language barriers, even when the 2 sides have some fluency in a common language, can create misunderstandings, therefore we should be patient when we can and the explanation can be the thing that fixes the misunderstanding
sometimes it works
sometimes it doesn't

other thing is that people really do not understand how servers work, server costs are, and how normal laws of resigning and being fired works

besides that I agree 100% with all the rest that you've said, couldn't have said it better

I understand it tho and I see how the process works lol. The most of the Dutch users just don't want to spend money on a website if they don't get anything in return while that is promised.

Which is fair, but actions have consequences. In this case it's the server closing bc it isn't profitable. If people are against that, then they should support the product they want to use.

If this isn't a problem I honestly don't understand the riots.

I was about to add just that, although Etjan did express a few times already that he is actually looking into ways to not close it down, as he did see how people want the server to be kept alive. He also knows that people paid a lot of money to have the things they do.
He didn't even have to think about it and could just take an hour at max and then just give an official message saying it will be closed down, but he did not.

Out of all the pixel dressup sites he is by FAR the most transparent admin that tries to talk to the community and hear them out, from his actions and words so far he seems fair and like he does care a bit more then the "it is my site and ppl need to be happy so I get money"

MasileinDE
International star

MasileinDE wrote:

Cerveza wrote:

MasileinDE wrote:

Abby wrote:
I mean she IS getting paid for this month and it is only the beginning of it so it is kind of like a month's notice

I applaud your patience talking to brick and mortar, though to be fair, my walls never reply to me, so no wonder I don't have tha patience for it

honestly, I understand that the dutch users are furious, but also ... maybe not the right way to go at it?
but most of all I love the "I don't want to pay for something; if others have to pay for it, then it's just poor leadership and I shouldn't be made responsible for refusing to pay for what I use, because cearly it is my given right to not have to pay for things and expect others to cover my costs as well".
I mean, come on, with that attitude, the server wouldn't survive the end of this year either way, so why is anyone of the dutch surprised this process may now get sped up? I hope it doesn't because that would just suck for all the achievements people had, and yet ... this was kinda the deal when signing up to VP? like ... can we really be mad if parts of the game have to close down because they aren't doing well enough financially and some parts of the userbase refuse to take responsibility for this? (which we kinda have to, considering we have to pay for upkeep if we want to play. this is pure maths ... people being so damn spoiled with paying without noticing it that they think stuff online is genuinely free...)

You ARE right, but you can't expect people to pay if they don't want to and you can't expect people to pay when there are no visible updates or no specific communication regarding updates.

I know the maths, I am not expecting other ones to pay for me so I don't have to pay. I myself am just okay with VP going down if I won't pay.

okay, I get the no visible update and I understand the frustration with everyone at how there being only two new games installed and ALL the old ones gone (which honestly, no one's fault, that's just online life expectancy of systems and programs), but what players need to realise is that Etjen in the short time he's been admin has done more work than Kaj has.
Yes, a lot of this has been with the teams and players have not been made aware of this. But from a designer perspective, the changes he has implemented are a fucking blessing, far from perfect, but a 300% improvement over what we had before. This isn't something regular users realise though, so for everyone else it looks like nothing happens. There is a lot of talk behind the scenes and very little comes through, mostly because it's difficult to keep everyone updated on planning processes and all, because nothing sucks more than saying "we work on trying to implement this" and then a month afterwards finding out it doesn't work. So now everyone thinks they were promised something and it's never delivered upon it.
So, there have been changes, they just didn't affect the general userbase very directly as much as for instance teamers. But honestly, VP's framework was and still is quite bad, so every improvement in this direction will eventually benefit the users as well. It just takes time. And I understand that especially in those weird times no one feels confident investing in an unsure future - not just speaking about the future of VP, but the general future of the world. Life kinda sucks right now because of how it's uncertain and weird everywhere. So you do not want this kind of atmosphere in a game. But that's just unrealistic expectations on a game.
I mean, just look at it. Everyone talks about how gSm is back and how that is great, but now people start getting disillusioned more and more because the updates to the website, which has SOOOOOO much more professional staff, like people whose 40h per week job it is to keep the thing afloat and updated, haven't managed to fix most of the biggest issues with it in the 3 months the game has been up and running again. Their roadmap is slow as hell, but very very realistic if not maybe even a bit ambitious. And you compare that to a game like VP where there is fewer people working on it and VP has made similar improvements over the time? I dunno, like I get that it's frustrating and it looks like nothing happens, but it's not true and what has happened so far has been better than nothing. Other bigger companies struggle in the same way, but they for some reason get more leeway.

Cerveza
Streetmusician

Cerveza wrote:

Abby wrote:

Cerveza wrote:

Abby wrote:
I have 2 reasons for that really
reason number 1 being that I remember that language barriers, even when the 2 sides have some fluency in a common language, can create misunderstandings, therefore we should be patient when we can and the explanation can be the thing that fixes the misunderstanding
sometimes it works
sometimes it doesn't

other thing is that people really do not understand how servers work, server costs are, and how normal laws of resigning and being fired works

besides that I agree 100% with all the rest that you've said, couldn't have said it better

I understand it tho and I see how the process works lol. The most of the Dutch users just don't want to spend money on a website if they don't get anything in return while that is promised.

Cerveza, that one was not directed at you personally, although I would like to hear what you mean by " if they don't get anything in return while that is promised."
considering there is a new admin (newish, been a while but those things take time) and he's got a LOT of work to do to even fix small things here with the very bad code that we have here so if you'd like to elaborate I'd love to hear what you mean

I appreciate how y'all are listening, I will type one final message

The things I understood and believe, Whisbone is very honest and always has been, I didn't always agree with her but she really is honest.
- Their agreement was: If you work for (I will just use gsm) gSm, you can't work for VP. Which is fair, but she applied for JD and her contract was immediately terminated. That wasn't according to their agreement because she isn't JD (yet), just applied.
- At first, she wouldn't get her one month's notice. She now gets it, but at first she would have to wait for it for some reason I don't know.

Also:
- I understand you need income to invest in a website. Just by how silent it is on the server and the ongoing promises of a revamp which never comes or never is specified, the Dutch/Belgian users do not want to pay anymore. If there is zero to minimal communication, I don't know what I am investing in and that has the result I personally do not want to invest.
I personally don't like it how persons her said that I don't understand things, I just do not find worth it and I myself would be okay with shutting down a server I rarely use anymore.

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World famous

Babel wrote:

Abby wrote:

DeIure wrote:

Cerveza wrote:
I understand it tho and I see how the process works lol. The most of the Dutch users just don't want to spend money on a website if they don't get anything in return while that is promised.

Which is fair, but actions have consequences. In this case it's the server closing bc it isn't profitable. If people are against that, then they should support the product they want to use.

If this isn't a problem I honestly don't understand the riots.

I was about to add just that, although Etjan did express a few times already that he is actually looking into ways to not close it down, as he did see how people want the server to be kept alive. He also knows that people paid a lot of money to have the things they do.
He didn't even have to think about it and could just take an hour at max and then just give an official message saying it will be closed down, but he did not.

Out of all the pixel dressup sites he is by FAR the most transparent admin that tries to talk to the community and hear them out, from his actions and words so far he seems fair and like he does care a bit more then the "it is my site and ppl need to be happy so I get money"

That's true. My statement might've been a little too early with a conclusion. I honestly think it's fair game to make the player base aware of the economic troubles, just so they know what the consequences might be. Finding a solution that won't close down the server is very nice instead of just doing it.

Private
Minister of Pop

Arthema wrote:

Cerveza wrote:

Abby wrote:

Cerveza wrote:
I understand it tho and I see how the process works lol. The most of the Dutch users just don't want to spend money on a website if they don't get anything in return while that is promised.

Cerveza, that one was not directed at you personally, although I would like to hear what you mean by " if they don't get anything in return while that is promised."
considering there is a new admin (newish, been a while but those things take time) and he's got a LOT of work to do to even fix small things here with the very bad code that we have here so if you'd like to elaborate I'd love to hear what you mean

I appreciate how y'all are listening, I will type one final message

The things I understood and believe, Whisbone is very honest and always has been, I didn't always agree with her but she really is honest.
- Their agreement was: If you work for (I will just use gsm) gSm, you can't work for VP. Which is fair, but she applied for JD and her contract was immediately terminated. That wasn't according to their agreement because she isn't JD (yet), just applied.
- At first, she wouldn't get her one month's notice. She now gets it, but at first she would have to wait for it for some reason I don't know.

Also:
- I understand you need income to invest in a website. Just by how silent it is on the server and the ongoing promises of a revamp which never comes or never is specified, the Dutch/Belgian users do not want to pay anymore. If there is zero to minimal communication, I don't know what I am investing in and that has the result I personally do not want to invest.
I personally don't like it how persons her said that I don't understand things, I just do not find worth it and I myself would be okay with shutting down a server I rarely use anymore.

When people are willing to communicate I want to believe that people here in vp try their best to talk like adults, so thank you for talking to us calmly as well.

I'd assume that you got the info directly from her and since she did eventually get her notice, the only problem from what you've said is that the agreement was only if she actually starts working for them, you can try and ask Etjan directly this question, since he has been reacting pretty honestly and directly I believe he will answer that
saying that the agreement as stated from wishbone was different and he stated this -

" End of last year, she designed for the competitor. I told her that she had to choose... either to be an Admin (and she was also designing for VP) OR design for the competitor... but she cannot do both. When, a few days ago, I found out she was still designing and applied to become JD, I terminated our agreement."

From Etjan's side it seems like she was informed of that before and that was their agreement, maybe there was a misunderstanding or she did not understand, or etjan did not explain it clearly? that I do not know, but if that is an answer you seek I always say go for it and try asking.

MasileinDE
International star

MasileinDE wrote:
Also, because I feel like some people may benefit from this, but please be aware that I don't type this to cosy up to Etjen or play the "bootlicker", but the few interactions I've had with him were just genuinely amazing workwise. Like you cannot imagine how much better this is compared to the inexistant communication with Kaj. Like, Etjen could be a stupid piece of shit and it would still be better than what Kaj did purely based on actions, so yeah, the bar was set low. But Etjen genuinely raised that bar REALLY high in the short time I've been more involved in things he was working on. (Which namely is all things designer related.)
I mean it all begins with Voldemort, back when Etjen became the new owner, asking me to explain certain things in relation to "how does the system work on ES and how does it compare to VP" because Etjen wanted different accounts on this to understand what to improve when it came to designer engagement (because unlike Kaj, he realised how important it is to keep the designers happy, because guess what, we are the ones that make the most obvious and most used content for this site and isn't it a fun feeling to have someone acknowledge that kind of work). He was collecting ideas and input from the admins and designers to change the system of how clothing submissions work and he implemented the upload function for all players, which I cannot stress enough how brilliant this is for helping us designers out!! Also the improvements to the uploader itself, while still not perfect, are just chef's kiss. Again, we were playing with sticks in the mud and now have broken toys, but damn, we got TOYS!
And now Etjen is working on us finally getting a common designer discord (which just fyi, I've been trying to get one of those up since 2018 and the most reluctant were the dutch, especially Wishbone, because they didn't want to "work more"

. This is now all water under the bridge, but do you know how amazing it is to see the works on a common designer system finally being done? Because this will benefit us designers so much more and lighten the workload for all of us! This is not just good for us, this is good for all players!
Let me explain why this is important:
- We will be able to better plan out outfit releases which means smaller likelyhood of outfits being set too late for DM/HoF/WoF.
- We will have a more consistent plan and backlog to rely upon in case someone can't work for some time, which means that other won't have to stress about getting the work of another server done.
- There will be a better rotation in the distribution of the sets. (Because yeah, I agree with everyone who says the same and the message has been understood: It fucking sucks to have the same designer from one server make all the sets for a whole month for that server's quota. I don't enjoy having to see people be annoyed by being flooded with my designs either, but do I bitch about it? A little bit, but I also keep on working instead of saying I'll do less just so someone else can do my work.)
- We might be able to bring back even more regular shop updates. Do you remember when shopupdates were a thing? those were the times!!
- We might be able to completely rehaul the shop and maybe in a few months down the line start making more things for male users again.
- Did you hear this? Designs for the male base might increase once everyone has more time to genuinely work on stuff!
- The increased ingagement due to the constantly new content may incite newer players to stay longer.
So yeah, there have been changes and they are good. And whenever Etjen wants to bring in a new system to improve on something, he ASKS us what we think. We can ask questions, ask for clarity on some issues and if something isn't really good the way it is, he LISTENS and accepts things. he doesn't understand some aspects of the community as well as we do (for instance, he wasn't aware of the badmouthing some of us have to get used to because the lack of designers means people felt it ok to bitch about their sets being used so much for stuff) and when we explained to him, why the rotation was sometimes causing issues in user acceptance of the sets, he understood it and started to think of a solution to this. He doesn't just come up with plans, but he asks us what changes would be better for us.

Yes, this is all things none of you regular players have an insight in and I understand that it's difficult for us to share these things, because it's not really our place to share them. That's admin work and I as a designer do not see myself in the responsibility of that job.
But dang, this really has been such an improvement in leadership and management, I do have high hopes of this transparency staying up and the changes slowly trickling down to affect the general userbase as well. Because I don't know if you've realised, but a few of those changes have already started having an effect. And it's been amazing to see the positive turn happen and users being receptive of it.

(kudos for everyone who cares to read this)

Private
Minister of Pop

Arthema wrote:

MasileinDE wrote:
Also, because I feel like some people may benefit from this, but please be aware that I don't type this to cosy up to Etjen or play the "bootlicker", but the few interactions I've had with him were just genuinely amazing workwise. Like you cannot imagine how much better this is compared to the inexistant communication with Kaj. Like, Etjen could be a stupid piece of shit and it would still be better than what Kaj did purely based on actions, so yeah, the bar was set low. But Etjen genuinely raised that bar REALLY high in the short time I've been more involved in things he was working on. (Which namely is all things designer related.)
I mean it all begins with Voldemort, back when Etjen became the new owner, asking me to explain certain things in relation to "how does the system work on ES and how does it compare to VP" because Etjen wanted different accounts on this to understand what to improve when it came to designer engagement (because unlike Kaj, he realised how important it is to keep the designers happy, because guess what, we are the ones that make the most obvious and most used content for this site and isn't it a fun feeling to have someone acknowledge that kind of work). He was collecting ideas and input from the admins and designers to change the system of how clothing submissions work and he implemented the upload function for all players, which I cannot stress enough how brilliant this is for helping us designers out!! Also the improvements to the uploader itself, while still not perfect, are just chef's kiss. Again, we were playing with sticks in the mud and now have broken toys, but damn, we got TOYS!
And now Etjen is working on us finally getting a common designer discord (which just fyi, I've been trying to get one of those up since 2018 and the most reluctant were the dutch, especially Wishbone, because they didn't want to "work more"

. This is now all water under the bridge, but do you know how amazing it is to see the works on a common designer system finally being done? Because this will benefit us designers so much more and lighten the workload for all of us! This is not just good for us, this is good for all players!
Let me explain why this is important:
- We will be able to better plan out outfit releases which means smaller likelyhood of outfits being set too late for DM/HoF/WoF.
- We will have a more consistent plan and backlog to rely upon in case someone can't work for some time, which means that other won't have to stress about getting the work of another server done.
- There will be a better rotation in the distribution of the sets. (Because yeah, I agree with everyone who says the same and the message has been understood: It fucking sucks to have the same designer from one server make all the sets for a whole month for that server's quota. I don't enjoy having to see people be annoyed by being flooded with my designs either, but do I bitch about it? A little bit, but I also keep on working instead of saying I'll do less just so someone else can do my work.)
- We might be able to bring back even more regular shop updates. Do you remember when shopupdates were a thing? those were the times!!
- We might be able to completely rehaul the shop and maybe in a few months down the line start making more things for male users again.
- Did you hear this? Designs for the male base might increase once everyone has more time to genuinely work on stuff!
- The increased ingagement due to the constantly new content may incite newer players to stay longer.
So yeah, there have been changes and they are good. And whenever Etjen wants to bring in a new system to improve on something, he ASKS us what we think. We can ask questions, ask for clarity on some issues and if something isn't really good the way it is, he LISTENS and accepts things. he doesn't understand some aspects of the community as well as we do (for instance, he wasn't aware of the badmouthing some of us have to get used to because the lack of designers means people felt it ok to bitch about their sets being used so much for stuff) and when we explained to him, why the rotation was sometimes causing issues in user acceptance of the sets, he understood it and started to think of a solution to this. He doesn't just come up with plans, but he asks us what changes would be better for us.

Yes, this is all things none of you regular players have an insight in and I understand that it's difficult for us to share these things, because it's not really our place to share them. That's admin work and I as a designer do not see myself in the responsibility of that job.
But dang, this really has been such an improvement in leadership and management, I do have high hopes of this transparency staying up and the changes slowly trickling down to affect the general userbase as well. Because I don't know if you've realised, but a few of those changes have already started having an effect. And it's been amazing to see the positive turn happen and users being receptive of it.

(kudos for everyone who cares to read this)

That is so nice to read and see the actual small steps but sure and confident steps forward, in the 6-7 years that I've been here I never saw such improvements being made and it is heartwarming in a way that not all hope is lost with gsm now being in the picture

MasileinDE
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MasileinDE wrote:

Abby wrote:

MasileinDE wrote:
[lotta text]

That is so nice to read and see the actual small steps but sure and confident steps forward, in the 6-7 years that I've been here I never saw such improvements being made and it is heartwarming in a way that not all hope is lost with gsm now being in the picture

it is!
and yes, again, I realise that most users can't see it because that's all behind the curtain stuff
but like ... I can see the effects of it in the game itself
I'm sure others have also realised we started getting shopudates again
there is work to get the shopupdates fully back on regular schedule
also, the last MCW have had amazing reception - which is due to astounding and honestly breathtaking work done by the designers, make no mistake - but there are a few designers who started designing more again and who are now more regularly putting out new things
I can't for sure link it to the positive changes behind the game, but it would be a fun coincidence if not and I don't look a gift horse in the mouth

Private
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Babel wrote:

MasileinDE wrote:

Abby wrote:

MasileinDE wrote:
[lotta text]

That is so nice to read and see the actual small steps but sure and confident steps forward, in the 6-7 years that I've been here I never saw such improvements being made and it is heartwarming in a way that not all hope is lost with gsm now being in the picture

it is!
and yes, again, I realise that most users can't see it because that's all behind the curtain stuff
but like ... I can see the effects of it in the game itself
I'm sure others have also realised we started getting shopudates again
there is work to get the shopupdates fully back on regular schedule
also, the last MCW have had amazing reception - which is due to astounding and honestly breathtaking work done by the designers, make no mistake - but there are a few designers who started designing more again and who are now more regularly putting out new things
I can't for sure link it to the positive changes behind the game, but it would be a fun coincidence if not and I don't look a gift horse in the mouth

Besides the small changes already made I also think it's unfair to think that the website will get a complete revamp ASAP. Especially if you look at the economy behind the website and compare to goSupermodel - a direct competitor, with a whole company behind them who needed 250.000 DKK to get their website up and running again, compared to this much smaller scale website.