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Wishbone
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Wishbone wrote:

VP-Etjen wrote:

Pure wrote:

Limited wrote:
he removed her since she wanted to design for gsm, so basically she didn’t want to work for vp anymore = remove badge and then r mods angry and banned etjen and now they (mods) are removing ban from people, so they can return… it’s a mess, I hope that he will take that site down

She still wanted to work for vp, and she only applied to design. She wasn't designing yet. And he fired her, without giving her the one month notice period (stood on her contract).

I do get the fact that she can't do both, but to fire her immediately when she isn't even accepted (yet) to design.

And we are angry bc of that AND the fact that he also gave the option to delete the dutch server and move us to the DE/EN server without any of our stuff/cr where we put a lot of time and effort (and money for some) in.

I think there is a misunderstanding. Wishbone will still get paid for that month but her admin role was stopped in the same way that any company will terminate your employment immediately when they find out you are applying and have been doing jobs for a competitor

I haven't been doing jobs for a competitor...

I only applied, I haven't even been hired yet. You found out I applied (the same day I applied) because someone who wanted to become admin snitched me.

MasileinDE
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MasileinDE wrote:

DeIure wrote:

MasileinDE wrote:

Abby wrote:
That is so nice to read and see the actual small steps but sure and confident steps forward, in the 6-7 years that I've been here I never saw such improvements being made and it is heartwarming in a way that not all hope is lost with gsm now being in the picture

it is!
and yes, again, I realise that most users can't see it because that's all behind the curtain stuff
but like ... I can see the effects of it in the game itself
I'm sure others have also realised we started getting shopudates again
there is work to get the shopupdates fully back on regular schedule
also, the last MCW have had amazing reception - which is due to astounding and honestly breathtaking work done by the designers, make no mistake - but there are a few designers who started designing more again and who are now more regularly putting out new things
I can't for sure link it to the positive changes behind the game, but it would be a fun coincidence if not and I don't look a gift horse in the mouth

Besides the small changes already made I also think it's unfair to think that the website will get a complete revamp ASAP. Especially if you look at the economy behind the website and compare to goSupermodel - a direct competitor, with a whole company behind them who needed 250.000 DKK to get their website up and running again, compared to this much smaller scale website.

exactly
and then you see that even gSm doesn't have the manpower or means to just completely redo it all and put out something new-new within a month and then re-sclaing that to something the size of VP... like the site is actually doing good speed-wise

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Minister of Pop

Arthema wrote:

Wishbone wrote:

VP-Etjen wrote:

Pure wrote:
She still wanted to work for vp, and she only applied to design. She wasn't designing yet. And he fired her, without giving her the one month notice period (stood on her contract).

I do get the fact that she can't do both, but to fire her immediately when she isn't even accepted (yet) to design.

And we are angry bc of that AND the fact that he also gave the option to delete the dutch server and move us to the DE/EN server without any of our stuff/cr where we put a lot of time and effort (and money for some) in.

I think there is a misunderstanding. Wishbone will still get paid for that month but her admin role was stopped in the same way that any company will terminate your employment immediately when they find out you are applying and have been doing jobs for a competitor

I haven't been doing jobs for a competitor...

I only applied, I haven't even been hired yet. You found out I applied (the same day I applied) because someone who wanted to become admin snitched me.

Hey wishbone
Etjan also wrote this thing as a response to someone else -

"koreaboo, there seems to be a lot of misunderstood info and 'jumping to conclusions'.
As others have mentioned already... when you work for any corporation (including in the Netherlands because I have worked there as well) and you have certain responsibilities, then that company will not allow you to do jobs for the competitor (even if it is in your spare time). That results in immediate termination, and you are asked to pack up that same day... you can even be escorted out by security at times.... Depending on the agreement you have in place, you might still get paid for your notice period, but the company is not obligated to let you continue to work there during that notice period. End of last year, she designed for the competitor. I told her that she had to choose... either to be an Admin (and she was also designing for VP) OR design for the competitor... but she cannot do both. When, a few days ago, I found out she was still designing and applied to become JD, I terminated our agreement.
I have always said that I will pay the money she is owed for that notice period, but an Admin who has done jobs for the competitor and has also applied there for a position cannon keep working for VP."

From what he said it seems like a topic that was brought up before already between you 2, because you might've not officially worked for them but designing for the competitor as an admin of another website is not okay, especially if he commented about it before.
Could you react to that please? if you don't mind of course, I would like to hear you as well

Wishbone
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Wishbone wrote:

Abby wrote:

Wishbone wrote:

VP-Etjen wrote:
I think there is a misunderstanding. Wishbone will still get paid for that month but her admin role was stopped in the same way that any company will terminate your employment immediately when they find out you are applying and have been doing jobs for a competitor

I haven't been doing jobs for a competitor...

I only applied, I haven't even been hired yet. You found out I applied (the same day I applied) because someone who wanted to become admin snitched me.

Hey wishbone
Etjan also wrote this thing as a response to someone else -

"koreaboo, there seems to be a lot of misunderstood info and 'jumping to conclusions'.
As others have mentioned already... when you work for any corporation (including in the Netherlands because I have worked there as well) and you have certain responsibilities, then that company will not allow you to do jobs for the competitor (even if it is in your spare time). That results in immediate termination, and you are asked to pack up that same day... you can even be escorted out by security at times.... Depending on the agreement you have in place, you might still get paid for your notice period, but the company is not obligated to let you continue to work there during that notice period. End of last year, she designed for the competitor. I told her that she had to choose... either to be an Admin (and she was also designing for VP) OR design for the competitor... but she cannot do both. When, a few days ago, I found out she was still designing and applied to become JD, I terminated our agreement.
I have always said that I will pay the money she is owed for that notice period, but an Admin who has done jobs for the competitor and has also applied there for a position cannon keep working for VP."

From what he said it seems like a topic that was brought up before already between you 2, because you might've not officially worked for them but designing for the competitor as an admin of another website is not okay, especially if he commented about it before.
Could you react to that please? if you don't mind of course, I would like to hear you as well

Etjen states I designed for the competitor. I did make a design on the gSm model base in my free time and for fun, but I did NOT submit it. I messaged Etjen honestly that I CONSIDERED designing officially for gSm as I felt that I should play open card with him. This was the first time we talked about it.

That's when he indeed told me that I would have to choose or he would fire me. I think that I, as a freelancer, should have the possibility to work for different companies, but Etjen wouldn't allow it. Our contract doesn't include a non-competitors clause. I did NOT make any promises or made a decision at that point. Later on I only stated that I wasn't designing for gSm and I wasn't planning to do so at that moment. That was before it was possible to apply for JD. I changed my mind when the contest came along + after a talk with Etjen about the future of NL VP and that it was very likely I wouldn't have a job here soon.

I only applied for JD that day and have not been hired (there are certain rounds and I'm not even through the first). If I would've become JD - or maybe even earlier if I would make the first round - I would definitely have told Etjen about my application. Someone who wants to become admin on NL VP sent my application to him though and that's how he got to know it before I could tell unfortunately.

I don't mind being fired as I can respect his view on me not being able to be a VP admin and design voor gSm. I told him that if he wants to fire me over this, he could. I have been completely honest and made no issue of him confronting me eventhough I immediately felt that I was 'snitched'. He immediately took my badge. That's when I informed him about the one month notice.

Etjen has in my opinion been very unclear to me about the one month notice. Talking about respecting it in 'a couple of weeks' (what are a couple of weeks?) and depending on conditions which are not stated in our contract. I did not agree with this. How am I suppose to trust that if he comes up with things? He also said that due to 'unfairness' the one month notice would expire. I haven't been unfair and that statement is nowhere to be found in our contract.

Yesterday we talked and we have agreed on clear conditions considering my one month notice. I'm fine with that, because the only thing I wish for right now is my one month notice payment as agreed in our contract. I'm not asking to get my job back.

I'm sad this had to go this way, since I hoped I could've left VP behind in a better way. I plannend on helping Etjen and my fellow Admins with handing over everything. I wanted to write a goodbye message and leave peacefully since if I wasn't fired I'd probably would've quit myself very soon (or lost my job because of closing the NL server).

P.s. since we agreed on clear conditions for my one month notice I'm helping him where needed with information about the website. Etjen doesn't want to give me my badge back, which is totally fine. I told him that considering the contract though I still work for him this month, and I will respect that. So if he needs help or has questions I will help and answer them when I'm able to.

A short resume:
- I'm not mad about being fired
- I'm not asking for my job back
- I personally don't agree with not being able to freelance for different companies, but I DO understand Etjens point of view
- I only defended my right to have my one month notice as stated in our contract without made up conditions and unclear dates
- We have now agreed on clear conditions regarding my one month notice
- I'm not saying that what everyone did on NL VP as a result of me being fired was the right thing. I can't be held accountable for actions of others.
- I do NOT hate Etjen
- I have no intentions to say bad things or make drama about NL VP or Etjen. I just wanted my one month notice, which I'll get now.

Redfiregirl
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redfiregirl wrote:
Wow my topic went popular

Ctrl
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ctrl wrote:
simply applying for another site, not even doing jobs for them yet, and then getting removed seems pretty extreme

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Minister of Pop

Arthema wrote:

Wishbone wrote:

Abby wrote:

Wishbone wrote:
I haven't been doing jobs for a competitor...

I only applied, I haven't even been hired yet. You found out I applied (the same day I applied) because someone who wanted to become admin snitched me.

Hey wishbone
Etjan also wrote this thing as a response to someone else -

"koreaboo, there seems to be a lot of misunderstood info and 'jumping to conclusions'.
As others have mentioned already... when you work for any corporation (including in the Netherlands because I have worked there as well) and you have certain responsibilities, then that company will not allow you to do jobs for the competitor (even if it is in your spare time). That results in immediate termination, and you are asked to pack up that same day... you can even be escorted out by security at times.... Depending on the agreement you have in place, you might still get paid for your notice period, but the company is not obligated to let you continue to work there during that notice period. End of last year, she designed for the competitor. I told her that she had to choose... either to be an Admin (and she was also designing for VP) OR design for the competitor... but she cannot do both. When, a few days ago, I found out she was still designing and applied to become JD, I terminated our agreement.
I have always said that I will pay the money she is owed for that notice period, but an Admin who has done jobs for the competitor and has also applied there for a position cannon keep working for VP."

From what he said it seems like a topic that was brought up before already between you 2, because you might've not officially worked for them but designing for the competitor as an admin of another website is not okay, especially if he commented about it before.
Could you react to that please? if you don't mind of course, I would like to hear you as well

Etjen states I designed for the competitor. I did make a design on the gSm model base in my free time and for fun, but I did NOT submit it. I messaged Etjen honestly that I CONSIDERED designing officially for gSm as I felt that I should play open card with him. This was the first time we talked about it.

That's when he indeed told me that I would have to choose or he would fire me. I think that I, as a freelancer, should have the possibility to work for different companies, but Etjen wouldn't allow it. Our contract doesn't include a non-competitors clause. I did NOT make any promises or made a decision at that point. Later on I only stated that I wasn't designing for gSm and I wasn't planning to do so at that moment. That was before it was possible to apply for JD. I changed my mind when the contest came along + after a talk with Etjen about the future of NL VP and that it was very likely I wouldn't have a job here soon.

I only applied for JD that day and have not been hired (there are certain rounds and I'm not even through the first). If I would've become JD - or maybe even earlier if I would make the first round - I would definitely have told Etjen about my application. Someone who wants to become admin on NL VP sent my application to him though and that's how he got to know it before I could tell unfortunately.

I don't mind being fired as I can respect his view on me not being able to be a VP admin and design voor gSm. I told him that if he wants to fire me over this, he could. I have been completely honest and made no issue of him confronting me eventhough I immediately felt that I was 'snitched'. He immediately took my badge. That's when I informed him about the one month notice.

Etjen has in my opinion been very unclear to me about the one month notice. Talking about respecting it in 'a couple of weeks' (what are a couple of weeks?) and depending on conditions which are not stated in our contract. I did not agree with this. How am I suppose to trust that if he comes up with things? He also said that due to 'unfairness' the one month notice would expire. I haven't been unfair and that statement is nowhere to be found in our contract.

Yesterday we talked and we have agreed on clear conditions considering my one month notice. I'm fine with that, because the only thing I wish for right now is my one month notice payment as agreed in our contract. I'm not asking to get my job back.

I'm sad this had to go this way, since I hoped I could've left VP behind in a better way. I plannend on helping Etjen and my fellow Admins with handing over everything. I wanted to write a goodbye message and leave peacefully since if I wasn't fired I'd probably would've quit myself very soon (or lost my job because of closing the NL server).

P.s. since we agreed on clear conditions for my one month notice I'm helping him where needed with information about the website. Etjen doesn't want to give me my badge back, which is totally fine. I told him that considering the contract though I still work for him this month, and I will respect that. So if he needs help or has questions I will help and answer them when I'm able to.

A short resume:
- I'm not mad about being fired
- I'm not asking for my job back
- I personally don't agree with not being able to freelance for different companies, but I DO understand Etjens point of view
- I only defended my right to have my one month notice as stated in our contract without made up conditions and unclear dates
- We have now agreed on clear conditions regarding my one month notice
- I'm not saying that what everyone did on NL VP as a result of me being fired was the right thing. I can't be held accountable for actions of others.
- I do NOT hate Etjen
- I have no intentions to say bad things or make drama about NL VP or Etjen. I just wanted my one month notice, which I'll get now.

Thank you very much for the very detailed explanation wishbone, highly appreciated and now a few things I had on my mind make much more sense.

Good luck on whatever you'll decide to go for and I am glad to hear that you got your 1 month notice and things are not that bad, and that you two could reason with one another to a degree.

Private
Minister of Pop

Arthema wrote:

depravitea wrote:
simply applying for another site, not even doing jobs for them yet, and then getting removed seems pretty extreme

@Wishbone

I mean
if your workplace realised that you applied to another job, they'd do the same most likely

that's jobs and real life

Ctrl
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ctrl wrote:

Abby wrote:

depravitea wrote:
simply applying for another site, not even doing jobs for them yet, and then getting removed seems pretty extreme

@Wishbone

I mean
if your workplace realised that you applied to another job, they'd do the same most likely

that's jobs and real life

I don't disagree fully
a professional setting and you are expressing that outright, yes
not really from someone else spilling that information or just a rumor

I personally feel they should be able to freelance for other companies
work and labor on VP is often unpaid and quite a hassle or just not given much, most just do it out of enjoyment
they will also get more designs allowing that

Ctrl
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ctrl wrote:
anyways, may the snitch slip on a banana

Private
Minister of Pop

Arthema wrote:

depravitea wrote:

Abby wrote:

depravitea wrote:
simply applying for another site, not even doing jobs for them yet, and then getting removed seems pretty extreme

@Wishbone

I mean
if your workplace realised that you applied to another job, they'd do the same most likely

that's jobs and real life

I don't disagree fully
a professional setting and you are expressing that outright, yes
not really from someone else spilling that information or just a rumor

I personally feel they should be able to freelance for other companies
work and labor on VP is often unpaid and quite a hassle or just not given much, most just do it out of enjoyment
they will also get more designs allowing that

I'd agree that for all Etjan knew it was a rumor but they did talk about it in the past and she did express interest in it so I can understand etjan

And as a freelancer I agree with it, HOWEVER, not when you try to work for 2 companies that rival each other.
Admins do get paid though and Etjan did say that is Wishbone was not an admin that would've been a different story, but she was, and she was actually getting paid.

I DO want to add that whoever did that move it was a shit move, even dumber that they did it to get an admin spot because there's a chance it won't be needed at all, because for all we know NL server might be shut down any day ... such a petty thing lmao

Private
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Sylvan wrote:

ctrl wrote:
simply applying for another site, not even doing jobs for them yet, and then getting removed seems pretty extreme

@Wishbone

honestly yeah, it is pretty standard here in germany to apply for a job and then just continue working for your old company when it didn't work out.

Private
World famous

Claire wrote:

Sylvan wrote:

ctrl wrote:
simply applying for another site, not even doing jobs for them yet, and then getting removed seems pretty extreme

@Wishbone

honestly yeah, it is pretty standard here in germany to apply for a job and then just continue working for your old company when it didn't work out.

i'm learning a lot about labor rights in other parts of the world from this thread

i mean this happens also in america- but there are MANY companies that fire you when they find out you're looking for work elsewhere. the capitalist value would be that there is no purpose in continuing to nurture their relationship with a resource that wont be around for much longer. the common advice here is to keep your mouth SHUT if youre applying for new jobs. that's between you and the new job the old job does not need that information until you give them your two weeks notice. and many jobs will say 'well forget the two weeks you can end employment today'

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World famous

Claire wrote:

ctrl wrote:

Abby wrote:

depravitea wrote:
simply applying for another site, not even doing jobs for them yet, and then getting removed seems pretty extreme

@Wishbone

I mean
if your workplace realised that you applied to another job, they'd do the same most likely

that's jobs and real life

I don't disagree fully
a professional setting and you are expressing that outright, yes
not really from someone else spilling that information or just a rumor

I personally feel they should be able to freelance for other companies
work and labor on VP is often unpaid and quite a hassle or just not given much, most just do it out of enjoyment
they will also get more designs allowing that

in the case of wishbone the work IS paid. and as the admin she's also the Face of the website/company. which means shes held to a different standard than other users. and i wassaying this shit back when one of our admins desinged for ES too. it looks BAD to have the Face of our site doing anything on another site. if you're proud of this site and the work you do here you should be focusing your efforts here as our Leader.

Cerveza
Streetmusician

Cerveza wrote:

Abby wrote:

depravitea wrote:
simply applying for another site, not even doing jobs for them yet, and then getting removed seems pretty extreme

@Wishbone

I mean
if your workplace realised that you applied to another job, they'd do the same most likely

that's jobs and real life

In the netherlands people often say to their boss they are looking for something new tho without consequences, so it isn't as 'logical' as you state it