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help i just read the lesbian manifesto
Alam
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Alam wrote:
acidreflux wrote:
btw did u read the scum manifesto, bcause i'm confused abt this manifesto
Ew, radfems.
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Date: 14-12-2020 18:21
MasileinDE
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MasileinDE wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
i'm not capable of addressing this seriously right now and also as a man my opinion will be dismissed anyway 

as a woman having trouble to identify as "feminist" in the broad term and an "asexual" and thus sometimes even casually excluded from the lgbtq+ community and not really accepted by the "straights" either ... I feel like I shouldn't have a voice?? Like, it's the feeling I often get from people in those discussions
shout louder 

it's not a matter of being heard, really, it's more like feeling like the kid sitting at the adult table and getting told to shut up whenever I ask if there's ketchup for my steak
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Date: 14-12-2020 18:21
Alam
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Alam wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
Alam wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
raw chicken is lubey tho like honestly 
Raw chicken is one of the most abhorrent things I can think of.
i can think of worse but yes
One of, if I'm being hyperbolic.
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Date: 14-12-2020 18:22
Alam
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Alam wrote:
Anachronism wrote:
Anachronism wrote:
Alam wrote:
How are those two related?
Um their rhetoric is basically biological essentialism "I am a women cuz I have a vagina, xx chromosomes, and ovaries" 

It's silly af I mean are women w/ sywers syndrome not women
Plus biological essentialism is the basis of transphobia 

"U have these chromosomes u cant change ur sex ur always gonna be what I assign u cuz of ur chromosomes" 
Despite you know medical advancements and shit 
I have never heard that argument in the context of biological essentialism but I'm not very well versed in the field.
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Date: 14-12-2020 18:23
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wrote:
Alam wrote:
acidreflux wrote:
btw did u read the scum manifesto, bcause i'm confused abt this manifesto
Ew, radfems.

it's a question for op, ebcause then it's easily more clear why she got confused.
Date: 14-12-2020 18:24
Alam
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Alam wrote:
acidreflux wrote:
Alam wrote:
acidreflux wrote:
btw did u read the scum manifesto, bcause i'm confused abt this manifesto
Ew, radfems.

it's a question for op, ebcause then it's easily more clear why she got confused.
No, she linked the manifesto she read.
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Date: 14-12-2020 18:25
MasileinDE
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MasileinDE wrote:
Anachronism wrote:
Anachronism wrote:
Alam wrote:
How are those two related?
Um their rhetoric is basically biological essentialism "I am a women cuz I have a vagina, xx chromosomes, and ovaries" 

It's silly af I mean are women w/ sywers syndrome not women
Plus biological essentialism is the basis of transphobia 

"U have these chromosomes u cant change ur sex ur always gonna be what I assign u cuz of ur chromosomes" 
Despite you know medical advancements and shit 

ok, suuuuper stupid question, because I know shit about this:

if you are a trans woman (like, you were born with a penis and all, but you feel female), when doing the transition, do they remove the prostate? no, right? or do they?
if they don't that means you can get prostate cancer ... a "men's disease"

that's where the medical discussion is so compliated for me, like, truly, this is where my understanding of all the discussions kinda stops, because I feel like ... is there ever a real answer to this? a universally accepted I mean
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Date: 14-12-2020 18:25
Anachronism
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Anachronism wrote:
Alam wrote:
Anachronism wrote:
Anachronism wrote:
Um their rhetoric is basically biological essentialism "I am a women cuz I have a vagina, xx chromosomes, and ovaries" 

It's silly af I mean are women w/ sywers syndrome not women
Plus biological essentialism is the basis of transphobia 

"U have these chromosomes u cant change ur sex ur always gonna be what I assign u cuz of ur chromosomes" 
Despite you know medical advancements and shit 
I have never heard that argument in the context of biological essentialism but I'm not very well versed in the field.
Me either but: 

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_essentialism

It cites religious ppl believing sex and gender cannot be separate as an example of biological essentialism 

If I'm misunderstanding stuff correct me I wanna learn 
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Date: 14-12-2020 18:25
December
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December wrote:
i feel like i'm straight but not really but i don't like girls enough to be bi either i don't think. punanis kinda disgusts me but also i've had celebrity girl crushes and stuff but like idk it's not impossible for me to like a girl maybe but i only think about boys and i wanna get a boyfriend it's confusinnngngngnngngn
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Date: 14-12-2020 18:26
Alam
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Alam wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Anachronism wrote:
Anachronism wrote:
Um their rhetoric is basically biological essentialism "I am a women cuz I have a vagina, xx chromosomes, and ovaries" 

It's silly af I mean are women w/ sywers syndrome not women
Plus biological essentialism is the basis of transphobia 

"U have these chromosomes u cant change ur sex ur always gonna be what I assign u cuz of ur chromosomes" 
Despite you know medical advancements and shit 

ok, suuuuper stupid question, because I know shit about this:

if you are a trans woman (like, you were born with a penis and all, but you feel female), when doing the transition, do they remove the prostate? no, right? or do they?
if they don't that means you can get prostate cancer ... a "men's disease"

that's where the medical discussion is so compliated for me, like, truly, this is where my understanding of all the discussions kinda stops, because I feel like ... is there ever a real answer to this? a universally accepted I mean
Not all trans people get surgeries, especially bottom surgery. I'm not a trans woman so I don't really know, but I don't think they do. I mean, trans men don't usually remove their reproductive organs. Sometimes they do, but not usually.
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Date: 14-12-2020 18:27
MasileinDE
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MasileinDE wrote:
Alam wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Anachronism wrote:
Plus biological essentialism is the basis of transphobia 

"U have these chromosomes u cant change ur sex ur always gonna be what I assign u cuz of ur chromosomes" 
Despite you know medical advancements and shit 

ok, suuuuper stupid question, because I know shit about this:

if you are a trans woman (like, you were born with a penis and all, but you feel female), when doing the transition, do they remove the prostate? no, right? or do they?
if they don't that means you can get prostate cancer ... a "men's disease"

that's where the medical discussion is so compliated for me, like, truly, this is where my understanding of all the discussions kinda stops, because I feel like ... is there ever a real answer to this? a universally accepted I mean
Not all trans people get surgeries, especially bottom surgery. I'm not a trans woman so I don't really know, but I don't think they do. I mean, trans men don't usually remove their reproductive organs. Sometimes they do, but not usually.

I know, but let's humour the discussion and say fully transitioned and all
I know that being trans doesn't mean you have to have "adjustement" surgery

but in that case, it works as well. Trans men with wombs and ovaries. They can get cervix cancer, ovarian cancer and all.

Why does this matter have to be so complex? And I kinda feel like it's so complicated because of the necessity of "political correctness" and the urge to label everything
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Date: 14-12-2020 18:30
Gilmore
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Gilmore wrote:
ouch wrote:
I figured out I was bi n then I was like nah I aint abt to b gay n then I got straight again thank u god
I wish
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Date: 14-12-2020 18:32
Alam
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Alam wrote:
Anachronism wrote:
Alam wrote:
Anachronism wrote:
Plus biological essentialism is the basis of transphobia 

"U have these chromosomes u cant change ur sex ur always gonna be what I assign u cuz of ur chromosomes" 
Despite you know medical advancements and shit 
I have never heard that argument in the context of biological essentialism but I'm not very well versed in the field.
Me either but: 

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_essentialism

It cites religious ppl believing sex and gender cannot be separate as an example of biological essentialism 

If I'm misunderstanding stuff correct me I wanna learn 
I don't think the theory inherently dismisses trans people, from my understanding. Many people, especially transmeds are proponents of the theory that transgenderism/transsexualisms is a result of the brain being of a different sex to the body, so that would support the theory, no? Then again, jury's still out on whether that theory is based in known scientific data. Also I don't know much about the cause for transness, if you will, and I don't really care.
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Date: 14-12-2020 18:32
Alam
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Alam wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Alam wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:

ok, suuuuper stupid question, because I know shit about this:

if you are a trans woman (like, you were born with a penis and all, but you feel female), when doing the transition, do they remove the prostate? no, right? or do they?
if they don't that means you can get prostate cancer ... a "men's disease"

that's where the medical discussion is so compliated for me, like, truly, this is where my understanding of all the discussions kinda stops, because I feel like ... is there ever a real answer to this? a universally accepted I mean
Not all trans people get surgeries, especially bottom surgery. I'm not a trans woman so I don't really know, but I don't think they do. I mean, trans men don't usually remove their reproductive organs. Sometimes they do, but not usually.

I know, but let's humour the discussion and say fully transitioned and all
I know that being trans doesn't mean you have to have "adjustement" surgery

but in that case, it works as well. Trans men with wombs and ovaries. They can get cervix cancer, ovarian cancer and all.

Why does this matter have to be so complex? And I kinda feel like it's so complicated because of the necessity of "political correctness" and the urge to label everything
I'm confused, what are you trying to say? Are you asking something?
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Date: 14-12-2020 18:33
MasileinDE
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MasileinDE wrote:
Alam wrote:
Anachronism wrote:
Alam wrote:
I have never heard that argument in the context of biological essentialism but I'm not very well versed in the field.
Me either but: 

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_essentialism

It cites religious ppl believing sex and gender cannot be separate as an example of biological essentialism 

If I'm misunderstanding stuff correct me I wanna learn 
I don't think the theory inherently dismisses trans people, from my understanding. Many people, especially transmeds are proponents of the theory that transgenderism/transsexualisms is a result of the brain being of a different sex to the body, so that would support the theory, no? Then again, jury's still out on whether that theory is based in known scientific data. Also I don't know much about the cause for transness, if you will, and I don't really care.

goes a bit in the same direction as cause for sexual orientation
and that's very dangerous field (you know, seeing how phrases like conversion therapy and the likes aren't far from that)
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