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Heaven wrote:
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ok i have found the perfect excuse, i am stupid due to a lack of iodine

and the best: you can blame your mom and capitalism, isn't that a dream combo for denying our own flaws and fault for them
sigh i don't like where this is going
Its like im pisces that's why i am a bitch 
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disintegration wrote:
Heaven wrote:
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the one time i share a conspiracy theory and one that is actually true oops
ok i have found the perfect excuse, i am stupid due to a lack of iodine

and the best: you can blame your mom and capitalism, isn't that a dream combo for denying our own flaws and fault for them
oh my god lmao
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Snusmumrikken wrote:
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Also, people need to learn that criticising a diagnosis or an idea is not equal to criticising the people who identify with it, or is diagnosed with it, or anything else. Maybe the wording comes off as problematic and harsh, people on vp seems to be utterly unwilling to see past any opinion they do not understand and/or share. 

critizising a medical diagnosis is hmm pretty pointless
In the end, the majority of the things we do is pointless. The majority of us will remain meaningless individuals who are forgotten in some generations anyway so why bother doing anything? 
True but she seems to get extremely caught up in things that has no impact on her at all and directly hurts the ppl on the receiving end (autistic ppl here) n can't let it go or even see why what she did was not ok. Criticising a diagnosis is ok but saying it in a mean way and going against the actual experiences of the autistic ppl literally in ur thread is not ok .
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ouch wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
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pavlova on another note why do you detest autistic people they have not chosen to be born autistic but
I think her issue is not that she hates autistic people but she hates the diagnosis, it's a very huge difference between it. It's more related to having issues with labelling people because they are different, and giving them a label which largely affect how they can live their lives. People with autism is often, regardless of "degree", treated like they are incapable of deciding anything in their own lives. They are incapacitated, someone, possibly someone who has never even met them, end up with control over their lives, what kind of jobs they can have, what kind of lives they can have. 
Doesn't having a diagnosis help a lot of ppl too tho h, I think the autism shit was that she was uhhh not respectful abt it n it definately didn't seem like the only reason she was against it was cus nazis(??) Made the diagnosis plus she was like iddk, from what I remember "has anyone even been diagnosed with autism on vp" n disrespectful stuff to actual autistic ppl so idk, mby she didn't mean it liek that but it certainly didn't come out nice so its very understandable if it got consequences
It helps a lot of people, but if they're wrongly diagnosed for example (which sadly happens) their lives are possibly permanently suffering from it. For instance, I have a cousin who was diagnosed as mentally retarded (pretty much what the diagnosis was tbh) during the time period in Norway when they used a kind of test/sheet thing which resulted in a lot of false positives, they don't even know the full extent of it. With the diagnosis she has, which is incorrect I might add, the Norwegian state can and will likely interfere with her life if she gets pregnant, either by forced abortion (no joke) or forced adoption. Only because they meant that she was too slow to learn things and that the only explanation was that she was retarded (spoiler: she couldn't see until 4th grade and no one noticed it). 
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Claire wrote:
disintegration wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
Also, people need to learn that criticising a diagnosis or an idea is not equal to criticising the people who identify with it, or is diagnosed with it, or anything else. Maybe the wording comes off as problematic and harsh, people on vp seems to be utterly unwilling to see past any opinion they do not understand and/or share. 

critizising a medical diagnosis is hmm pretty pointless
like how is this worth her energy?
criticizing autism is my hyperfixation
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Snusmumrikken wrote:
ouch wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
I think her issue is not that she hates autistic people but she hates the diagnosis, it's a very huge difference between it. It's more related to having issues with labelling people because they are different, and giving them a label which largely affect how they can live their lives. People with autism is often, regardless of "degree", treated like they are incapable of deciding anything in their own lives. They are incapacitated, someone, possibly someone who has never even met them, end up with control over their lives, what kind of jobs they can have, what kind of lives they can have. 
Doesn't having a diagnosis help a lot of ppl too tho h, I think the autism shit was that she was uhhh not respectful abt it n it definately didn't seem like the only reason she was against it was cus nazis(??) Made the diagnosis plus she was like iddk, from what I remember "has anyone even been diagnosed with autism on vp" n disrespectful stuff to actual autistic ppl so idk, mby she didn't mean it liek that but it certainly didn't come out nice so its very understandable if it got consequences
It helps a lot of people, but if they're wrongly diagnosed for example (which sadly happens) their lives are possibly permanently suffering from it. For instance, I have a cousin who was diagnosed as mentally retarded (pretty much what the diagnosis was tbh) during the time period in Norway when they used a kind of test/sheet thing which resulted in a lot of false positives, they don't even know the full extent of it. With the diagnosis she has, which is incorrect I might add, the Norwegian state can and will likely interfere with her life if she gets pregnant, either by forced abortion (no joke) or forced adoption. Only because they meant that she was too slow to learn things and that the only explanation was that she was retarded (spoiler: she couldn't see until 4th grade and no one noticed it). 
they thought  i had ADD in first grade but it was just that my eyes were fucked up and couldnt track properly
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Nesta wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
disintegration wrote:

critizising a medical diagnosis is hmm pretty pointless
In the end, the majority of the things we do is pointless. The majority of us will remain meaningless individuals who are forgotten in some generations anyway so why bother doing anything? 
That was depressing even coming for u
I'm sorry the truth is depressing. 
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Pavlov wrote:
Claire wrote:
disintegration wrote:

critizising a medical diagnosis is hmm pretty pointless
like how is this worth her energy?
criticizing autism is my hyperfixation
mine is anime
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Snusmumrikken wrote:
Nesta wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
In the end, the majority of the things we do is pointless. The majority of us will remain meaningless individuals who are forgotten in some generations anyway so why bother doing anything? 
That was depressing even coming for u
I'm sorry the truth is depressing. 
Bring on the existentialism 
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Claire wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
ouch wrote:
Doesn't having a diagnosis help a lot of ppl too tho h, I think the autism shit was that she was uhhh not respectful abt it n it definately didn't seem like the only reason she was against it was cus nazis(??) Made the diagnosis plus she was like iddk, from what I remember "has anyone even been diagnosed with autism on vp" n disrespectful stuff to actual autistic ppl so idk, mby she didn't mean it liek that but it certainly didn't come out nice so its very understandable if it got consequences
It helps a lot of people, but if they're wrongly diagnosed for example (which sadly happens) their lives are possibly permanently suffering from it. For instance, I have a cousin who was diagnosed as mentally retarded (pretty much what the diagnosis was tbh) during the time period in Norway when they used a kind of test/sheet thing which resulted in a lot of false positives, they don't even know the full extent of it. With the diagnosis she has, which is incorrect I might add, the Norwegian state can and will likely interfere with her life if she gets pregnant, either by forced abortion (no joke) or forced adoption. Only because they meant that she was too slow to learn things and that the only explanation was that she was retarded (spoiler: she couldn't see until 4th grade and no one noticed it). 
they thought  i had ADD in first grade but it was just that my eyes were fucked up and couldnt track properly
Right, so mistakes happen. And sometimes the mistake ruins lives. I think it's completely fair to criticise systems. 
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Claire wrote:
Pavlov wrote:
Claire wrote:
like how is this worth her energy?
criticizing autism is my hyperfixation
mine is anime
Mine is environment stuff 
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bro I am tIRED
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Nesta wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
Nesta wrote:
That was depressing even coming for u
I'm sorry the truth is depressing. 
Bring on the existentialism 
Which is the only philosophical era which is adequate. 
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Snusmumrikken wrote:
ouch wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
I think her issue is not that she hates autistic people but she hates the diagnosis, it's a very huge difference between it. It's more related to having issues with labelling people because they are different, and giving them a label which largely affect how they can live their lives. People with autism is often, regardless of "degree", treated like they are incapable of deciding anything in their own lives. They are incapacitated, someone, possibly someone who has never even met them, end up with control over their lives, what kind of jobs they can have, what kind of lives they can have. 
Doesn't having a diagnosis help a lot of ppl too tho h, I think the autism shit was that she was uhhh not respectful abt it n it definately didn't seem like the only reason she was against it was cus nazis(??) Made the diagnosis plus she was like iddk, from what I remember "has anyone even been diagnosed with autism on vp" n disrespectful stuff to actual autistic ppl so idk, mby she didn't mean it liek that but it certainly didn't come out nice so its very understandable if it got consequences
It helps a lot of people, but if they're wrongly diagnosed for example (which sadly happens) their lives are possibly permanently suffering from it. For instance, I have a cousin who was diagnosed as mentally retarded (pretty much what the diagnosis was tbh) during the time period in Norway when they used a kind of test/sheet thing which resulted in a lot of false positives, they don't even know the full extent of it. With the diagnosis she has, which is incorrect I might add, the Norwegian state can and will likely interfere with her life if she gets pregnant, either by forced abortion (no joke) or forced adoption. Only because they meant that she was too slow to learn things and that the only explanation was that she was retarded (spoiler: she couldn't see until 4th grade and no one noticed it). 
Yes that do b seeming more like not liking ppl getting misdiagnosed and not liking the autism diagnosis spesifically
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