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ouch wrote:
Riddle wrote:
Nesta wrote:
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Healthcare should absolutely be free. Everyone should have a basic plan and nobody should be denied proper care because they are poor (unless they are poor by choice or criminals obviously).

Like the little kid who has severely mentally ill , had lots of problems at school and home, he finally found a home that was able to care for him and help him. He did very well at school when he was there. Parents couldn't afford to keep him there (very expensive) and he ended up killing himself . He was just a little kid. Not even a teenager. I can't remember the name but there was a documentary about it. How terrible. If only the justice system didn't fail him he probably would've been alive today. Rip little guy.
I don't see why criminals should be refused healthcare. If you go to prison, you should be attempted rehabilitated, not exploited and neglected.
It depends on the criminal. For minor things, I agree. If you get caught shoplifting as a kid, obviously rehabilitation is KEY.
Rehabilitation for killers and legit everyone is key too lol, its totally possible, cheaper for society, and drastically reduces the reincarceration rates
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Date: 09-10-2021 21:03
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Riddle wrote:
zuli wrote:
Riddle wrote:
ouch wrote:
I have some integrity
Is that integrity? If I could push that same button I would do it in an instant. Not because I'm power hungry or want to be a leader or anything like that but only because I would want to improve my country and many of the problems here are solved so easily it's ridiculous. I would do it for the sake of helping my people because I do CARE.
but that's not how it works, what u may think is right and should be changed may not be the right thing for another person. that's YOUR OPINION and that's why elections work with choosing who the majority wants to elect, but if the majority chooses something it does not immediately mean they're right. politics also work that way, they're a set of ppl with the same opinions in a party to be potentially elect by ppl with the same opinions.

let's set as an example that u hate gay ppl, and ofc bc that's YOUR opinion, you would change laws ab that and think that's a problem that "needs to be solved" to help 'your people' who are also homophobes, but I wouldn't bc in MY OPINION that's not right and would damage me and multiple others, which are 'my people' in that case. you would think its morally right to h8 gay ppl bc your convictions say so, but others won't and don't have to put up with it.

that's why no one in their right mind who's not driven by power would push that button, you talk a lot ab morals and ethics but would still push that button only to help yourself and the ones that agree with you only? based on what, a set of rules that won't matter in a couple thousand years? seems kinda selfish imo
But the person I was talking to literally said that the majority is right.

Anyone that is serious about wanting to improve their country would push that button. It's not about the power at all, put somebody else in charge other than me. As long as we set the right laws and make things right. I don't have to be the person who does that, hence I'm not power hungry at all. I My earlier statement about greed is still accurate. Being greedy for power isn't right either!
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Date: 09-10-2021 21:04
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ouch wrote:
zuli wrote:
Riddle wrote:
ouch wrote:
I already explained that the politcal parties mostly agree on what is statistically correct aka truth, like free school, free healthcare, rehabilitating prison system etc being good for the majority. Its all the other stuff u vote for, and the other stuff is purely opinion based lol. Read what I write mby
If there is no objective truth, how come it's a fact we need free healthcare, school etc? it's almost as if... you agreed with me all along!
no, i think they mean that you can't argue on human rights lol
No you def can, just it benefits society if ppl have some baseline of education/money/opportunities for ppl to not go around being crazy like in the us of america 
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Date: 09-10-2021 21:05
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Riddle wrote:
ouch wrote:
Riddle wrote:
Nesta wrote:
I don't see why criminals should be refused healthcare. If you go to prison, you should be attempted rehabilitated, not exploited and neglected.
It depends on the criminal. For minor things, I agree. If you get caught shoplifting as a kid, obviously rehabilitation is KEY.
Rehabilitation for killers and legit everyone is key too lol, its totally possible, cheaper for society, and drastically reduces the reincarceration rates
Yeah let's just allow killers to run free in our ideal society.
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Date: 09-10-2021 21:05
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wrote:
Riddle wrote:
Nesta wrote:
Riddle wrote:
Healthcare should absolutely be free. Everyone should have a basic plan and nobody should be denied proper care because they are poor (unless they are poor by choice or criminals obviously).

Like the little kid who has severely mentally ill , had lots of problems at school and home, he finally found a home that was able to care for him and help him. He did very well at school when he was there. Parents couldn't afford to keep him there (very expensive) and he ended up killing himself . He was just a little kid. Not even a teenager. I can't remember the name but there was a documentary about it. How terrible. If only the justice system didn't fail him he probably would've been alive today. Rip little guy.
I don't see why criminals should be refused healthcare. If you go to prison, you should be attempted rehabilitated, not exploited and neglected.
It depends on the criminal. For minor things, I agree. If you get caught shoplifting as a kid, obviously rehabilitation is KEY.
Which criminals would you say should not be offered rehabilitation?
Date: 09-10-2021 21:05
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ouch wrote:
Riddle wrote:
ouch wrote:
Riddle wrote:
It depends on the criminal. For minor things, I agree. If you get caught shoplifting as a kid, obviously rehabilitation is KEY.
Rehabilitation for killers and legit everyone is key too lol, its totally possible, cheaper for society, and drastically reduces the reincarceration rates
Yeah let's just allow killers to run free in our ideal society.
Killers will run free either way lmaoo, but countried which focus on rehabilitation of ALL criminals, have much less murders too so 😭 pls u can not argue not rehabilitating ppl when there r overwhelming facts on why it would actually lessen crime as a whole 
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Date: 09-10-2021 21:07
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Riddle wrote:
Nesta wrote:
Riddle wrote:
Nesta wrote:
I don't see why criminals should be refused healthcare. If you go to prison, you should be attempted rehabilitated, not exploited and neglected.
It depends on the criminal. For minor things, I agree. If you get caught shoplifting as a kid, obviously rehabilitation is KEY.
Which criminals would you say should not be offered rehabilitation?
The ones who would be put up for the death penalty. The really bad ones.
But the rest would be rehabilitated. As long as they serve some time first as punishment since that is obviously the point of getting locked up in the first place.
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Date: 09-10-2021 21:07
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Riddle wrote:
ouch wrote:
Riddle wrote:
ouch wrote:
Rehabilitation for killers and legit everyone is key too lol, its totally possible, cheaper for society, and drastically reduces the reincarceration rates
Yeah let's just allow killers to run free in our ideal society.
Killers will run free either way lmaoo, but countried which focus on rehabilitation of ALL criminals, have much less murders too so 😭 pls u can not argue not rehabilitating ppl when there r overwhelming facts on why it would actually lessen crime as a whole 
Yeah let's try to find as many as possible. I, as a non-killer, would not want to be around killers. Sounds obvious he-he.
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Date: 09-10-2021 21:08
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wrote:
Riddle wrote:
Nesta wrote:
Riddle wrote:
It depends on the criminal. For minor things, I agree. If you get caught shoplifting as a kid, obviously rehabilitation is KEY.
Which criminals would you say should not be offered rehabilitation?
The ones who would be put up for the death penalty. The really bad ones.
But the rest would be rehabilitated. As long as they serve some time first as punishment since that is obviously the point of getting locked up in the first place.
I don't believe anyone should be put on the death penalty in the first place. 
Norway focuses on using prisons for rehabilitation and not revenge. 
Date: 09-10-2021 21:09
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ouch wrote:
Riddle wrote:
ouch wrote:
Riddle wrote:
Yeah let's just allow killers to run free in our ideal society.
Killers will run free either way lmaoo, but countried which focus on rehabilitation of ALL criminals, have much less murders too so 😭 pls u can not argue not rehabilitating ppl when there r overwhelming facts on why it would actually lessen crime as a whole 
Yeah let's try to find as many as possible. I, as a non-killer, would not want to be around killers. Sounds obvious he-he.
What? Would u rather have a rehabilitated killer as ur neighbor, or a killer who was practically tortured in prison as ur neighbor 
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And u do realize that the ppl r uknow,, still in prison even tho they r being rehabilitated right lmao 
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Date: 09-10-2021 21:10
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Riddle wrote:
Nesta wrote:
Riddle wrote:
Nesta wrote:
Which criminals would you say should not be offered rehabilitation?
The ones who would be put up for the death penalty. The really bad ones.
But the rest would be rehabilitated. As long as they serve some time first as punishment since that is obviously the point of getting locked up in the first place.
I don't believe anyone should be put on the death penalty in the first place. 
Norway focuses on using prisons for rehabilitation and not revenge.
If there is clear evidence and there is no chance of getting the wrong guy, the death penalty seems the most humane for all parties (including the victim/s). Rehabilitation is for those who are actually redeemable.
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Date: 09-10-2021 21:11
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Riddle wrote:
ouch wrote:
Riddle wrote:
ouch wrote:
Killers will run free either way lmaoo, but countried which focus on rehabilitation of ALL criminals, have much less murders too so 😭 pls u can not argue not rehabilitating ppl when there r overwhelming facts on why it would actually lessen crime as a whole 
Yeah let's try to find as many as possible. I, as a non-killer, would not want to be around killers. Sounds obvious he-he.
What? Would u rather have a rehabilitated killer as ur neighbor, or a killer who was practically tortured in prison as ur neighbor
Wha? How would a killer who has "tortured in prison" be able to be my neighbor in the first place?
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Date: 09-10-2021 21:12
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Riddle wrote:
ouch wrote:
And u do realize that the ppl r uknow,, still in prison even tho they r being rehabilitated right lmao
You do realize that every country has their own rules and rehabilitation isn't the same everywhere right?
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Date: 09-10-2021 21:13
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ouch wrote:
Riddle wrote:
Nesta wrote:
Riddle wrote:
The ones who would be put up for the death penalty. The really bad ones.
But the rest would be rehabilitated. As long as they serve some time first as punishment since that is obviously the point of getting locked up in the first place.
I don't believe anyone should be put on the death penalty in the first place. 
Norway focuses on using prisons for rehabilitation and not revenge.
If there is clear evidence and there is no chance of getting the wrong guy, the death penalty seems the most humane for all parties (including the victim/s). Rehabilitation is for those who are actually redeemable.
Most can be rehabilitated, and for example in norway, we have maximum 21 years or sum, but if they get deemed to "forvaring" they r gonna be in there forever if they don't show improvement and are still deemed a threat (or society is deemed a threat to them) like terrorists etc, but most get let out
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Date: 09-10-2021 21:14
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