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Slave2Master
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Slave2Master wrote:
i don't think you're born "gay". like it has to do with your upbringing, society, and that develops over time. howver, i don't think that you can chose your sexuality but i don't think your automatically born as a homo because of a gay gene or something

MasileinDE
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MasileinDE wrote:

Koolaid wrote:

MasileinDE wrote:
ohhh, to jump in on the trans thing:
when people are like trans woman can't be real women, because they aren't biologically female and being a real woman means to be able to have children and then I'm sitting here like: you do realise that there is more and more "real women" who struggle with having children, they go infertile earlier and earlier and no one understands why and it destroys LIFES that people can't have their own children
like, are infertile women fake women too?
it makes no sense and isn't just discriminating towards trans women (ultimately kinda against trans men too, just opposite argument), it also invalidates every person who struggles with fertility

fertility is not what makes you a woman though

exactly my point!
but I often read that as an argument from people who are like trans women aren't real women because real women can have babies
thus being infertile would mean no real woman, no matter how you were born

Alam
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Alam wrote:

Gilmore wrote:

Snusmumrikken wrote:

Gilmore wrote:

shshshsh it's a juicy one

like fruit pieces have no business in juice

pspspfppf I haven't yet COMPLETELY ruined my chances on getting friends here so I won't say it

Who needs friends when you can BRAWL

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jumping on the trans discussion too...........

it's okay to call a trans woman a woman. because they are indeed a woman, they don't have to be biologically a woman. gender identity doesn't equal sex...

are you uncomfortable at the thought of trans women being considered real women or what.. it's not gonna take the aspects of a biological woman so what is the issue here

Private
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Maxwell wrote:

Koolaid wrote:

Snusmumrikken wrote:

Koolaid wrote:
if you can't explain your point then how am i supposed to understand you?

The entire notion of using real to exclusively mean biological women are without a doubt problematic as it automatically invalidates transwomen, why on earth are they not real women? Only because they aren't biological women. Does that mean that a transwoman is a real man? A few issues emerge with real = biological. My argument is chaotic but honestly it shouldn't even be needed to attempt to explain it. Use biological rather than real if that is what you mean.

because the definition of a woman is a biological concept, just like female. you can't just change the definition of woman itself. what you can do, is use trans woman, someone who has transitioned to a woman. so the statement should be
women are women
trans women are trans women

why is that bad?

Ofc u can, definitions change all the time

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remains wrote:

Koolaid wrote:

Alam wrote:

Koolaid wrote:
because the definition of a woman is a biological concept, just like female. you can't just change the definition of woman itself. what you can do, is use trans woman, someone who has transitioned to a woman. so the statement should be
women are women
trans women are trans women

why is that bad?

If they transitioned to a women wouldn't that make them, I don't know, a woman?

it makes them a trans women. maybe a better question: why is that such a bad thing?

why cant we call them cis women and women

dang i kinda liked you before this thread is so disappointing

MasileinDE
International star

MasileinDE wrote:

Heaven wrote:
jumping on the trans discussion too...........

it's okay to call a trans woman a woman. because they are indeed a woman, they don't have to be biologically a woman. gender identity doesn't equal sex... *

are you uncomfortable at the thought of trans women being considered real women or what.. it's not gonna take the aspects of a biological woman so what is the issue here

*also, you can't ever take from them feeling like they are a woman

Private
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ouch wrote:

Heaven wrote:
regarding the ouch racism/[blablabla]phobia/pedophilia opinion

TW pedophilia obvi

i guess that ouch is saying that u cannot force someone out of that mindset if they are stubborn and not that you should anyways, but i personally think that everyone who thinks that way should be educated on why their views are wrong, but i'm not gonna make them convert to the "right moral compass", just /attempt/ to make them understand that it's wrong. . .

as for pedophilia, i think there is a difference between a child molester/predator and a pedophile. i strictly believe that pedophiles who don't act upon their thoughts and urges should get mental help before they come remotely close to acting upon it, but if one eventually becomes a child molester they should just be dropped and be considered a disgusting person

That was what I said hhh
like the ppl that are aware their thoughts r like "wrong" or whatever so they don't act on them, they are din ein my book
same with pedophiles, obv im not gonna say someone should stay a child molester or beat up black ppl if they feel like it but I think as long as they recognize their thought are irrational theres rlly no reason to try to force the thought out of them as long as they are not being harmful towards others

Private
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wug wrote:

Maxwell wrote:

Koolaid wrote:

Snusmumrikken wrote:
The entire notion of using real to exclusively mean biological women are without a doubt problematic as it automatically invalidates transwomen, why on earth are they not real women? Only because they aren't biological women. Does that mean that a transwoman is a real man? A few issues emerge with real = biological. My argument is chaotic but honestly it shouldn't even be needed to attempt to explain it. Use biological rather than real if that is what you mean.

because the definition of a woman is a biological concept, just like female. you can't just change the definition of woman itself. what you can do, is use trans woman, someone who has transitioned to a woman. so the statement should be
women are women
trans women are trans women

why is that bad?

Ofc u can, definitions change all the time

if we are looking at purely linguistics here i'm all in because that's my field other than that i don't want to engage

it is impossible to fully and adequately capture all meanings and nuances of a word, so naturally the definition of a word will always differ and it will always change, the meanings are not static at all.

Alam
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Alam wrote:

Slave2Master wrote:
i don't think you're born "gay". like it has to do with your upbringing, society, and that develops over time. howver, i don't think that you can chose your sexuality but i don't think your automatically born as a homo because of a gay gene or something

Then how do you explain the percentage of homosexual individuals being pretty much the same across the board?
There's a very interesting theory about evolution and homosexuality that I'm not smart enough to explain but you really should research it.

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ouch wrote:

Heaven wrote:
regarding the ouch racism/[blablabla]phobia/pedophilia opinion

TW pedophilia obvi

i guess that ouch is saying that u cannot force someone out of that mindset if they are stubborn and not that you should anyways, but i personally think that everyone who thinks that way should be educated on why their views are wrong, but i'm not gonna make them convert to the "right moral compass", just /attempt/ to make them understand that it's wrong. . .

as for pedophilia, i think there is a difference between a child molester/predator and a pedophile. i strictly believe that pedophiles who don't act upon their thoughts and urges should get mental help before they come remotely close to acting upon it, but if one eventually becomes a child molester they should just be dropped and be considered a disgusting person

That was what I said hhh
like the ppl that are aware their thoughts r like "wrong" or whatever so they don't act on them, they are din ein my book
same with pedophiles, obv im not gonna say someone should stay a child molester or beat up black ppl if they feel like it but I think as long as they recognize their thought are irrational theres rlly no reason to try to force the thought out of them as long as they are not being harmful towards others

yeah and as long as they dont go out of their way to actively be racist lol

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remains wrote:
biological sex is kinda fucked up and not binary idk why cis ppl take it so seriously and think it's a strict thing when so many ppl are intersex and have different hormones and fertility and chromosomes and genes

Private
Popstar

ouch wrote:

Heaven wrote:

ouch wrote:

Heaven wrote:
regarding the ouch racism/[blablabla]phobia/pedophilia opinion

TW pedophilia obvi

i guess that ouch is saying that u cannot force someone out of that mindset if they are stubborn and not that you should anyways, but i personally think that everyone who thinks that way should be educated on why their views are wrong, but i'm not gonna make them convert to the "right moral compass", just /attempt/ to make them understand that it's wrong. . .

as for pedophilia, i think there is a difference between a child molester/predator and a pedophile. i strictly believe that pedophiles who don't act upon their thoughts and urges should get mental help before they come remotely close to acting upon it, but if one eventually becomes a child molester they should just be dropped and be considered a disgusting person

That was what I said hhh
like the ppl that are aware their thoughts r like "wrong" or whatever so they don't act on them, they are din ein my book
same with pedophiles, obv im not gonna say someone should stay a child molester or beat up black ppl if they feel like it but I think as long as they recognize their thought are irrational theres rlly no reason to try to force the thought out of them as long as they are not being harmful towards others

yeah and as long as they dont go out of their way to actively be racist lol

That was the entire point of what I first wrote

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MasileinDE wrote:

Heaven wrote:
jumping on the trans discussion too...........

it's okay to call a trans woman a woman. because they are indeed a woman, they don't have to be biologically a woman. gender identity doesn't equal sex... *

are you uncomfortable at the thought of trans women being considered real women or what.. it's not gonna take the aspects of a biological woman so what is the issue here

*also, you can't ever take from them feeling like they are a woman

wait can u elaborate im confused dbjopjn

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wug wrote:
i will take the opportunity to point out how it is always about trans women never being women but the debate is never taken about whether trans men are men or not