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mada wrote:
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mada wrote:
i feel like i just have this mindset of "i have to program myself into a better person" either it be intention-wise/behaviour (how i act to others) or within (like for example forcing myself to process things in a different manner until it's natural) and this kind of makes me analyze why, how and when i have become a Feeler and makes me question why most don't find it to be a good trait or find it to be unnecessary, which makes me think "what's the point of being an F?". that then gives me a list of reasons to why i shouldnt be that and a list of scenarios in which i would had been a thinker instead and how that would have benefited me significantly more than being emotionally driven ever possibly could, so basically i think this trait of mine is a waste of time, but what has probably subconsciously affected me so much is the fact that this is absolutely engraved in my mind at this point, it'd be the hardest mental exercise to become the polar opposite of my train of thought

dude does this make sense
Being emotionally driven is a good thing imo. You may feel things a bit harder than thinkers and not everything you do makes perfect sense to others, but that's fine. at least you can feel like what you do is the right thing for you. Where's the fun in fitting into a box society shaped for you and told you was convenient for them? Where are you gonna find your place when others lay down your framwork and tell you to sit inside it? That this is where you should fit it, it would be nice and comfortable and you would just be one of the masses. I am not here to be more convenient than necessary because a world that only think don't feel and only thinking doesn't favor relations beyond the basic need it has to human wellbeing. thinkers makes me feel like everything has to make sense to be validated. Emotions are wilder. However, you need an amount of both, too much of any would be bothersome. And feelings are good. They are indicators of how you are doing. 
I personally don't think you pick how you perceive the world. You're born that way and it's a part of who you are in good and bad. And I don't think you are one or the other. Meyers Briggs bases your personality on the traits you score the most in and that does not mean that being and F excludes all your T abilites. You have both, Mada. 
Being a thinker does not equal being a "better person." Being a feeler does not equal being a "better person." Other people judge you by your actions. They will never see how you feel or think, but what you feel and think will reflect your actions. You don't need to be anyone else than who you are. Don't diminish yourself. You're not small. Don't let other people ruin who you are because they are uncomfortable. You can't people please people all your life anyway. Been there, done that. Start stepping up for yourself and discard mindsets that no longer serves you.

Wow honestly mada Divergent. Read the book. Watch the movie etc. It will explain to you exactly what I mean. 
goddamn that was honestly such great input that i don't have anything to say other than you are indeed right, i honestly agree with all points and at some point today i have thought that the best option would be to just experience both traits and not try to be in one extreme only. imma take a look at divergent
I hope it helped 
Pls take a look at divergent.
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I disagree but I only read one statement and not the argument. I don't think being emotionally driven is a good thing at all because it's irrational and makes you more vulnerable to mistakes, either your own or others - it clouds your judgement. Life isn't about having fun, it's about achieving something that matters in the long run. 
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Snusmumrikken wrote:
I disagree but I only read one statement and not the argument. I don't think being emotionally driven is a good thing at all because it's irrational and makes you more vulnerable to mistakes, either your own or others - it clouds your judgement. Life isn't about having fun, it's about achieving something that matters in the long run. 
my instant reaction to this: "goddamn" puts hands up like being held at gun point

my reaction after thinking: hmm i feel like people's objective in life is too subjective to put it all within one category and im very against the traditional system we live in aka we live in a society aka i don't like forcing myself to follow the typical life path or forcing that upon others
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mada wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
I disagree but I only read one statement and not the argument. I don't think being emotionally driven is a good thing at all because it's irrational and makes you more vulnerable to mistakes, either your own or others - it clouds your judgement. Life isn't about having fun, it's about achieving something that matters in the long run. 
my instant reaction to this: "goddamn" puts hands up like being held at gun point

my reaction after thinking: hmm i feel like people's objective in life is too subjective to put it all within one category and im very against the traditional system we live in aka we live in a society aka i don't like forcing myself to follow the typical life path or forcing that upon others
I fail to see how you can't achieve something in a different system than the current one. What you personally treat as achievement is your own business, it's subjective. There is no such thing as objective achievement, the only logical candidate is peace and I think we can all agree that that is just not possible. 
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Snusmumrikken wrote:
mada wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
I disagree but I only read one statement and not the argument. I don't think being emotionally driven is a good thing at all because it's irrational and makes you more vulnerable to mistakes, either your own or others - it clouds your judgement. Life isn't about having fun, it's about achieving something that matters in the long run. 
my instant reaction to this: "goddamn" puts hands up like being held at gun point

my reaction after thinking: hmm i feel like people's objective in life is too subjective to put it all within one category and im very against the traditional system we live in aka we live in a society aka i don't like forcing myself to follow the typical life path or forcing that upon others
I fail to see how you can't achieve something in a different system than the current one. What you personally treat as achievement is your own business, it's subjective. There is no such thing as objective achievement, the only logical candidate is peace and I think we can all agree that that is just not possible. 
i think i definitely chose the wrong term when i said system, indeed one must be within the system to at least live a comfortable life but nowadays there are so many other opportunities other than a 9-5 job but since we dont live in a good world at all, only the lucky ones can ever take that path instead of.. the ones everyone takes. i feel like i wouldnt want to put myself living that life but to be realistic it is most likely what will happen and it b like that  . . .
bold part, yes yes i thought that u were intially implying that the one objective achievement is to be successful but im p sure i understood it wrong at first grr
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mada wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
mada wrote:
my instant reaction to this: "goddamn" puts hands up like being held at gun point

my reaction after thinking: hmm i feel like people's objective in life is too subjective to put it all within one category and im very against the traditional system we live in aka we live in a society aka i don't like forcing myself to follow the typical life path or forcing that upon others
I fail to see how you can't achieve something in a different system than the current one. What you personally treat as achievement is your own business, it's subjective. There is no such thing as objective achievement, the only logical candidate is peace and I think we can all agree that that is just not possible. 
i think i definitely chose the wrong term when i said system, indeed one must be within the system to at least live a comfortable life but nowadays there are so many other opportunities other than a 9-5 job but since we dont live in a good world at all, only the lucky ones can ever take that path instead of.. the ones everyone takes. i feel like i wouldnt want to put myself living that life but to be realistic it is most likely what will happen and it b like that  . . .
bold part, yes yes i thought that u were intially implying that the one objective achievement is to be successful but im p sure i understood it wrong at first grr
Being successful isn't one specific thing. 
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Snusmumrikken wrote:
mada wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
I fail to see how you can't achieve something in a different system than the current one. What you personally treat as achievement is your own business, it's subjective. There is no such thing as objective achievement, the only logical candidate is peace and I think we can all agree that that is just not possible. 
i think i definitely chose the wrong term when i said system, indeed one must be within the system to at least live a comfortable life but nowadays there are so many other opportunities other than a 9-5 job but since we dont live in a good world at all, only the lucky ones can ever take that path instead of.. the ones everyone takes. i feel like i wouldnt want to put myself living that life but to be realistic it is most likely what will happen and it b like that  . . .
bold part, yes yes i thought that u were intially implying that the one objective achievement is to be successful but im p sure i understood it wrong at first grr
Being successful isn't one specific thing. 
you are correct 
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mada wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
mada wrote:
i think i definitely chose the wrong term when i said system, indeed one must be within the system to at least live a comfortable life but nowadays there are so many other opportunities other than a 9-5 job but since we dont live in a good world at all, only the lucky ones can ever take that path instead of.. the ones everyone takes. i feel like i wouldnt want to put myself living that life but to be realistic it is most likely what will happen and it b like that  . . .
bold part, yes yes i thought that u were intially implying that the one objective achievement is to be successful but im p sure i understood it wrong at first grr
Being successful isn't one specific thing. 
you are correct 
It's about personal values.
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Snusmumrikken wrote:
mada wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
Being successful isn't one specific thing. 
you are correct 
x
It's about personal values.
me being aware but completely forgetting about those factors in a discussion therefore looking dumb but i think i actually completely misunderstood what u first said and completely fucked up on wording what my argument was supposed to be
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mada wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
mada wrote:
you are correct 
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It's about personal values.
me being aware but completely forgetting about those factors in a discussion therefore looking dumb but i think i actually completely misunderstood what u first said and completely fucked up on wording what my argument was supposed to be
that's okay.
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Snusmumrikken wrote:
mada wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
It's about personal values.
me being aware but completely forgetting about those factors in a discussion therefore looking dumb but i think i actually completely misunderstood what u first said and completely fucked up on wording what my argument was supposed to be
that's okay.
im also fully aware your brain probably hurts due to the amount of dumbassery displayed and at this point im just used to it and even fully expecting it
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mada wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
mada wrote:
me being aware but completely forgetting about those factors in a discussion therefore looking dumb but i think i actually completely misunderstood what u first said and completely fucked up on wording what my argument was supposed to be
that's okay.
im also fully aware your brain probably hurts due to the amount of dumbassery displayed and at this point im just used to it and even fully expecting it
No it's okay I was only 2% present because I was finishing a video game to get 100% of the trophies and also writing my monthly blog 
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Snusmumrikken wrote:
mada wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
that's okay.
im also fully aware your brain probably hurts due to the amount of dumbassery displayed and at this point im just used to it and even fully expecting it
No it's okay I was only 2% present because I was finishing a video game to get 100% of the trophies and also writing my monthly blog 
Success! 
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I just briefly read over your discussion and yeah, It's all about personal values. 
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Vuitton wrote:
am late to the party, but i hope u remember what i said about putting weight into people’s opinions @mada . the way snus thinks isn’t at all representative, logically speaking. the world is literally yours, and you are free to shape it however you want. following the stream isn’t always good, yes? i’m fully aware that steve jobs, bill gates n jeff bezos represent the minority, but they did well by going their own way. they shaped their paths that benefited them enough to achieve whatever goal they had set in mind, n they probably achieved way more than they could have imagened. following the stream is only the safest option. and i know that this is hypocritical coming from an intj, but sometimes risks aren’t at all that bad. 
for humanity they haven't done good tho. 
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