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ouch wrote:
AtlantaG1912 wrote:
Riddle wrote:
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Yes, and when he is let out he has become severely mentally ill because of his prison sentence, probably came into poverty because of ppl not wanting to hire ex criminals, making him kill even more ppl. Good luck, theres a reason the us crime rates r bonkers
Should've thought about that before starting killing people, honestly.
i had a guy down the street from me get of jail for house robbery inwhich no one got hurt but when he got out he ended up killing someone who was trying to put their life back together
Yeah also this, ppl often go into prison for less severe crimes, and because they get so traumatized, nobody will hire them, they gain new contacts in prison with much harder criminals themselves, they turn to murder when they get out again, even if they would have never murdered someone if they never were in prison in the first place, just because ppl get so majorly fucked up from prisons which are only built to punish 
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Date: 09-10-2021 21:27
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ouch wrote:
Riddle wrote:
ouch wrote:
The principle as u call it, makes even more people get killed each year hahah ouff man
Source?
U can find it urself cus im not gonna find 10 diff links for u
Not specifically about killing, but statistics on who gets back into prison after a sentence (norway v. us)
www.businessinsider.com/why-norways-prison-system-is-so-successful-2014-12?r=US&IR=T
Date: 09-10-2021 21:28
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Riddle wrote:
Nesta wrote:
ouch wrote:
Riddle wrote:
Source?
U can find it urself cus im not gonna find 10 diff links for u
Not specifically about killing, but statistics on who gets back into prison after a sentence (norway v. us)
www.businessinsider.com/why-norways-prison-system-is-so-successful-2014-12?r=US&IR=T
I have seen that rehabilitation works (statistically) to let criminals back into society but I need one that proves that claim about serial killers
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Date: 09-10-2021 21:30 | Times changed: 1
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Riddle wrote:
ouch wrote:
AtlantaG1912 wrote:
Riddle wrote:
Should've thought about that before starting killing people, honestly.
i had a guy down the street from me get of jail for house robbery inwhich no one got hurt but when he got out he ended up killing someone who was trying to put their life back together
Yeah also this, ppl often go into prison for less severe crimes, and because they get so traumatized, nobody will hire them, they gain new contacts in prison with much harder criminals themselves, they turn to murder when they get out again, even if they would have never murdered someone if they never were in prison in the first place, just because ppl get so majorly fucked up from prisons which are only built to punish 
Am I missing something?
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Date: 09-10-2021 21:31
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ouch wrote:
Riddle wrote:
ouch wrote:
Riddle wrote:
Should've thought about that before starting killing people, honestly.
I mean, its you who suffers from this, not him. You will suffer from having even more ramped up killers coming out of prison, and not rehabilitated killers
What's your source for this claim?
https://theconversation.com/why-rehabilitation-not-harsher-prison-sentences-makes-economic-sense-132213

it takes 2 seconds to google
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Date: 09-10-2021 21:31
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Riddle wrote:
ouch wrote:
Riddle wrote:
ouch wrote:
I mean, its you who suffers from this, not him. You will suffer from having even more ramped up killers coming out of prison, and not rehabilitated killers
What's your source for this claim?
https://theconversation.com/why-rehabilitation-not-harsher-prison-sentences-makes-economic-sense-132213

it takes 2 seconds to google
I have googled a lot but I'm unable to find the one you were talking about rehabilitation for serial killers.
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Date: 09-10-2021 21:33
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ouch wrote:
Riddle wrote:
Nesta wrote:
ouch wrote:
U can find it urself cus im not gonna find 10 diff links for u
Not specifically about killing, but statistics on who gets back into prison after a sentence (norway v. us)
www.businessinsider.com/why-norways-prison-system-is-so-successful-2014-12?r=US&IR=T
I have seen that rehabilitation works (statistically) to let criminals back into society but I need one that proves that claim about serial killers
I already explained to u the norwegian system which I think should be the goal for everyone. You can get sentence to 21 years "forvaring" if the crime is severe enough (serial killer, terrorist, whatever), after those 21 years of tried rehabilitation, they will reevaluate, and if you are still deemed a risk, you will not let out yet. U can potentially be in prison for the rest of your life, but you can never just put someone in prison to rot. Serial killers will also be tried rehabilitated, but they will not be let out until they are deemed not a threat to society anymore, same w terrorists and all the like. 
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AtlantaG1912 wrote:
Riddle wrote:
ouch wrote:
Riddle wrote:
What's your source for this claim?
https://theconversation.com/why-rehabilitation-not-harsher-prison-sentences-makes-economic-sense-132213

it takes 2 seconds to google
I have googled a lot but I'm unable to find the one you were talking about rehabilitation for serial killers.
@Riddle  ever heard of the zodiac killer, he was never caught but his last confirmed kill was in 1969 sure the guy tormented police offical well into 70s but he was never caught and no crime was linked to him after that last cypher was sent. So here's idea maybe he just got bored and ended up starting a family meaning he kinda was rehabiltated 
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Date: 09-10-2021 21:36
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Riddle wrote:
ouch wrote:
Riddle wrote:
Nesta wrote:
Not specifically about killing, but statistics on who gets back into prison after a sentence (norway v. us)
www.businessinsider.com/why-norways-prison-system-is-so-successful-2014-12?r=US&IR=T
I have seen that rehabilitation works (statistically) to let criminals back into society but I need one that proves that claim about serial killers
I already explained to u the norwegian system which I think should be the goal for everyone. You can get sentence to 21 years "forvaring" if the crime is severe enough (serial killer, terrorist, whatever), after those 21 years of tried rehabilitation, they will reevaluate, and if you are still deemed a risk, you will not let out yet. U can potentially be in prison for the rest of your life, but you can never just put someone in prison to rot. Serial killers will also be tried rehabilitated, but they will not be let out until they are deemed not a threat to society anymore, same w terrorists and all the like.
I'm still waiting for that study by the way. What studies has been done on serial killers rehabilitation that would prove your claim?
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Date: 09-10-2021 21:37
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ouch wrote:
Riddle wrote:
ouch wrote:
Riddle wrote:
I have seen that rehabilitation works (statistically) to let criminals back into society but I need one that proves that claim about serial killers
I already explained to u the norwegian system which I think should be the goal for everyone. You can get sentence to 21 years "forvaring" if the crime is severe enough (serial killer, terrorist, whatever), after those 21 years of tried rehabilitation, they will reevaluate, and if you are still deemed a risk, you will not let out yet. U can potentially be in prison for the rest of your life, but you can never just put someone in prison to rot. Serial killers will also be tried rehabilitated, but they will not be let out until they are deemed not a threat to society anymore, same w terrorists and all the like.
I'm still waiting for that study by the way. What studies has been done on serial killers rehabilitation that would prove your claim?
Prove what claim lmfao, I already said they won't be let out unless rehabilitated. For murderers, they will easily enough be let out, but as u can see if u google for 2 seconds more, reoffending rates in norway are incredibly low compared to other places, murders too for that matter but lol. We aim to make the best neighbor or whatever, and that is by helping people, not letting ppl out of prison traumatized 
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Date: 09-10-2021 21:39
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Riddle wrote:
AtlantaG1912 wrote:
Riddle wrote:
ouch wrote:
https://theconversation.com/why-rehabilitation-not-harsher-prison-sentences-makes-economic-sense-132213

it takes 2 seconds to google
I have googled a lot but I'm unable to find the one you were talking about rehabilitation for serial killers.
@Riddle  ever heard of the zodiac killer, he was never caught but his last confirmed kill was in 1969 sure the guy tormented police offical well into 70s but he was never caught and no crime was linked to him after that last cypher was sent. So here's idea maybe he just got bored and ended up starting a family meaning he kinda was rehabiltated
What do you want to say with this? Do you think it was good that he started a family and lived a normal life after killing a bunch of innocent people?
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Date: 09-10-2021 21:39
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AtlantaG1912 wrote:
Riddle wrote:
AtlantaG1912 wrote:
Riddle wrote:
I have googled a lot but I'm unable to find the one you were talking about rehabilitation for serial killers.
@Riddle  ever heard of the zodiac killer, he was never caught but his last confirmed kill was in 1969 sure the guy tormented police offical well into 70s but he was never caught and no crime was linked to him after that last cypher was sent. So here's idea maybe he just got bored and ended up starting a family meaning he kinda was rehabiltated
What do you want to say with this? Do you think it was good that he started a family and lived a normal life after killing a bunch of innocent people?
I never said it was good i just said that you could take the possibilty that he stopped killing because he started a family might be considered a sense of rehabiltation because the family might have changed his outlook and whatever caused him to start killing (tends to stem from childhood issues) was resolved.
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Date: 09-10-2021 21:42
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Riddle wrote:
ouch wrote:
Riddle wrote:
ouch wrote:
I already explained to u the norwegian system which I think should be the goal for everyone. You can get sentence to 21 years "forvaring" if the crime is severe enough (serial killer, terrorist, whatever), after those 21 years of tried rehabilitation, they will reevaluate, and if you are still deemed a risk, you will not let out yet. U can potentially be in prison for the rest of your life, but you can never just put someone in prison to rot. Serial killers will also be tried rehabilitated, but they will not be let out until they are deemed not a threat to society anymore, same w terrorists and all the like.
I'm still waiting for that study by the way. What studies has been done on serial killers rehabilitation that would prove your claim?
Prove what claim lmfao, I already said they won't be let out unless rehabilitated. For murderers, they will easily enough be let out, but as u can see if u google for 2 seconds more, reoffending rates in norway are incredibly low compared to other places, murders too for that matter but lol. We aim to make the best neighbor or whatever, and that is by helping people, not letting ppl out of prison traumatized
Because you are talking about very general studies that are done on ALL type of criminals. That would mean perhaps 1000 people who were studies were all thieves or put in jail for vandalism, I dont know. Could be anything.

If you want to do specific studies, you take a lot of these people and compare them to a different result.
 These type of studies done on serial killers do not exist.

If you don't have a study, just say so. Rehabilitation proven to work on petty cimes? Statistically proven true. Serial killers? no, since we do not put them in the same category if we want accurate results.
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Date: 09-10-2021 21:44
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Riddle wrote:
AtlantaG1912 wrote:
Riddle wrote:
AtlantaG1912 wrote:
@Riddle  ever heard of the zodiac killer, he was never caught but his last confirmed kill was in 1969 sure the guy tormented police offical well into 70s but he was never caught and no crime was linked to him after that last cypher was sent. So here's idea maybe he just got bored and ended up starting a family meaning he kinda was rehabiltated
What do you want to say with this? Do you think it was good that he started a family and lived a normal life after killing a bunch of innocent people?
I never said it was good i just said that you could take the possibilty that he stopped killing because he started a family might be considered a sense of rehabiltation because the family might have changed his outlook and whatever caused him to start killing (tends to stem from childhood issues) was resolved.
Because somebody committed crimes in the past, does that mean they shouldn't be punished for it today if they were never caught before now?
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Date: 09-10-2021 21:46
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AtlantaG1912 wrote:
Riddle wrote:
AtlantaG1912 wrote:
Riddle wrote:
What do you want to say with this? Do you think it was good that he started a family and lived a normal life after killing a bunch of innocent people?
I never said it was good i just said that you could take the possibilty that he stopped killing because he started a family might be considered a sense of rehabiltation because the family might have changed his outlook and whatever caused him to start killing (tends to stem from childhood issues) was resolved.
Because somebody committed crimes in the past, does that mean they shouldn't be punished for it today if they were never caught before now?
WOW you really are Princess Sweethoney haha. I never said that for god sake just this week a 100 year old man in Germany was put on trial for his actions in concentration camps during world war 2 but between then and now the main lived a normal life and had a family he was never conficted of any other crimes so therefore you can say he was rehabilted
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