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whats your unpopular opinion?
Alam
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Alam wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
bones wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
my question asks that some trans women 1) want to be seen as women but also want people to acknowledge that  2) trans women are at a higher risk of hate crime (amongst others)

but women of color are not concerned about (1). they are concerned about (2). so it's a false equivalence because not the same set of statements hold.
1 and 2 do not contradict each other because trans women are women
okay let's make the preposition that trans women = women, then what does (2) mean? trans women are at a higher risk of hate crime than women. because then that isn't possible if trans women = women
What a stupid sentence.
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Date: 11-08-2020 18:15
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Slave2Master wrote:
bones wrote:
Slave2Master wrote:
i'm not bothered but i don't think showing off an obese person is body positivty????
so what
i think fat people get to show off their body either way, like anyone else
fat people taking selfies or pictures of their body doesnt automaticalle make them part of the bodyposi movement
they specifically tag their videos/photos with body positivty
whats wrong with people trying to be positive about their bodies.. theres a whole industry that implies that being underweight (and most likely having an ED) is being beautiful *cof cof kpop*, does that bother you on the same level?
Date: 11-08-2020 18:16
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ouch wrote:
Heaven wrote:
ouch wrote:
bones wrote:
ngl most weight loss diets ive seen seem incredibly unhealthy
also quick weight loss can bring on life threatening side effects, such as risk of heart failure/attack
Crash diets r never a good idea but generally lowering ur intake is like, the only way to lose weight healthy pretty much 
indeed yeah, as long as its not too drastic tho
Yes but most likely if u are very fat u eat a lot more than u should, most of them could just drop down to 2000 calories a day (the healthy amount for most healthy ppl) and they r good, some go down to 1500 depends but below that its unhealthy, but yeah
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Date: 11-08-2020 18:17
Koolaid
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Koolaid wrote:
Alam wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
bones wrote:
1 and 2 do not contradict each other because trans women are women
okay let's make the preposition that trans women = women, then what does (2) mean? trans women are at a higher risk of hate crime than women. because then that isn't possible if trans women = women
What a stupid sentence.
damn you really hate it when people try to change their opinion right?
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Date: 11-08-2020 18:17
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wrote:
ouch wrote:
Heaven wrote:
ouch wrote:
Crash diets r never a good idea but generally lowering ur intake is like, the only way to lose weight healthy pretty much 
indeed yeah, as long as its not too drastic tho
Yes but most likely if u are very fat u eat a lot more than u should, most of them could just drop down to 2000 calories a day (the healthy amount for most healthy ppl) and they r good, some go down to 1500 depends but below that its unhealthy, but yeah
yeah
also i think u should probably lower ur intake based on ur bmi and all that blablablabla.. so basically ur right abt them eating 2k calories and being able to lose weight 👍
Date: 11-08-2020 18:18
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remains wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
bones wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
okay let's make the preposition that trans women = women, then what does (2) mean? trans women are at a higher risk of hate crime than women. because then that isn't possible if trans women = women
trans women are women with a specific life experience and are at a threat of violence because of other people do not percieve them as women
it's very simple idk why you cant see that
so you're arguing that trans women should become a strict subset of women? which means that all trans women are women but they are a distinct group when it comes to social issues?

but then im confused, because there is now the belief that anyways who feels they should identify as trans is trans. so by extension, any person who wants to be a woman, is a woman. and i feel like i can't really get behind that thought pattern. because the desire to redefine terms such as woman, gender, etc. as completely social constructs is counterproductive to me. 
yes to the bolded part but the first part was uhhhhh not great
trans women have an unique experience of being a woman. same as black women, asian women, disabled women, red haired women, blind women, african women etc. if you insist on having subsets of women then do that for every single group of woman

then that's your issue to deal with. "women" automatically includes trans women
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Date: 11-08-2020 18:18
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Azriel wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
bones wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
okay let's make the preposition that trans women = women, then what does (2) mean? trans women are at a higher risk of hate crime than women. because then that isn't possible if trans women = women
trans women are women with a specific life experience and are at a threat of violence because of other people do not percieve them as women
it's very simple idk why you cant see that
so you're arguing that trans women should become a strict subset of women? which means that all trans women are women but they are a distinct group when it comes to social issues?

but then im confused, because there is now the belief that anyways who feels they should identify as trans is trans. so by extension, any person who wants to be a woman, is a woman. and i feel like i can't really get behind that thought pattern. because the desire to redefine terms such as woman, gender, etc. as completely social constructs is counterproductive to me. 
You do realise they do not want these "social issues" they just want to be accepted by society as they are but ??
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Date: 11-08-2020 18:18
Slave2Master
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Slave2Master wrote:
Heaven wrote:
Slave2Master wrote:
bones wrote:
so what
i think fat people get to show off their body either way, like anyone else
fat people taking selfies or pictures of their body doesnt automaticalle make them part of the bodyposi movement
they specifically tag their videos/photos with body positivty
whats wrong with people trying to be positive about their bodies.. theres a whole industry that implies that being underweight (and most likely having an ED) is being beautiful *cof cof kpop*, does that bother you on the same level?
how would you feel about eugina cooney tagging her photos with body positivity? she's clearly underweight and unhealthy.

i put that in the same category as obese people. they are both unhealthy and shoulkdn't be part of body posiitibvity movement if they truly cared about bodoy positivity and promoting health
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Date: 11-08-2020 18:18
Alam
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Alam wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
Alam wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
okay let's make the preposition that trans women = women, then what does (2) mean? trans women are at a higher risk of hate crime than women. because then that isn't possible if trans women = women
What a stupid sentence.
damn you really hate it when people try to change their opinion right?
No, I think it's great to want to grow, I just think the sentence you just wrote? Yeah, it was stupid. Didn't make sense in the slightest.
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Date: 11-08-2020 18:19
Koolaid
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Koolaid wrote:
Azriel wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
bones wrote:
trans women are women with a specific life experience and are at a threat of violence because of other people do not percieve them as women
it's very simple idk why you cant see that
so you're arguing that trans women should become a strict subset of women? which means that all trans women are women but they are a distinct group when it comes to social issues?

but then im confused, because there is now the belief that anyways who feels they should identify as trans is trans. so by extension, any person who wants to be a woman, is a woman. and i feel like i can't really get behind that thought pattern. because the desire to redefine terms such as woman, gender, etc. as completely social constructs is counterproductive to me. 
You do realise they do not want these "social issues" they just want to be accepted by society as they are but ??
yes i never said they want these issues?
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Date: 11-08-2020 18:19
Koolaid
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Koolaid wrote:
Alam wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
Alam wrote:
What a stupid sentence.
damn you really hate it when people try to change their opinion right?
No, I think it's great to want to grow, I just think the sentence you just wrote? Yeah, it was stupid. Didn't make sense in the slightest.
oh okay, would help if you say why it's wrong
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Date: 11-08-2020 18:20
Alam
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Alam wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
Alam wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
damn you really hate it when people try to change their opinion right?
No, I think it's great to want to grow, I just think the sentence you just wrote? Yeah, it was stupid. Didn't make sense in the slightest.
oh okay, would help if you say why it's wrong
It;s so obvious to me that I don't even know how to explain it to you, sorry this is really not productive.
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Date: 11-08-2020 18:21
Koolaid
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Koolaid wrote:
bones wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
bones wrote:
trans women are women with a specific life experience and are at a threat of violence because of other people do not percieve them as women
it's very simple idk why you cant see that
so you're arguing that trans women should become a strict subset of women? which means that all trans women are women but they are a distinct group when it comes to social issues?

but then im confused, because there is now the belief that anyways who feels they should identify as trans is trans. so by extension, any person who wants to be a woman, is a woman. and i feel like i can't really get behind that thought pattern. because the desire to redefine terms such as woman, gender, etc. as completely social constructs is counterproductive to me. 
yes to the bolded part but the first part was uhhhhh not great
trans women have an unique experience of being a woman. same as black women, asian women, disabled women, red haired women, blind women, african women etc. if you insist on having subsets of women then do that for every single group of woman

then that's your issue to deal with. "women" automatically includes trans women
because of your assumption that sex is a purely social construct or what?
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Date: 11-08-2020 18:21
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wrote:
Slave2Master wrote:
Heaven wrote:
Slave2Master wrote:
they specifically tag their videos/photos with body positivty
whats wrong with people trying to be positive about their bodies.. theres a whole industry that implies that being underweight (and most likely having an ED) is being beautiful *cof cof kpop*, does that bother you on the same level?
how would you feel about eugina cooney tagging her photos with body positivity? she's clearly underweight and unhealthy.

i put that in the same category as obese people. they are both unhealthy and shoulkdn't be part of body posiitibvity movement if they truly cared about bodoy positivity and promoting health
wellp as i had said i didnt ever have a 600 pound person in mind when speaking about body positivity for fat people being ok
also i think ur at a higher risk of dying if ur like eugenia cooney 
Date: 11-08-2020 18:21
Alam
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Alam wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
bones wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
so you're arguing that trans women should become a strict subset of women? which means that all trans women are women but they are a distinct group when it comes to social issues?

but then im confused, because there is now the belief that anyways who feels they should identify as trans is trans. so by extension, any person who wants to be a woman, is a woman. and i feel like i can't really get behind that thought pattern. because the desire to redefine terms such as woman, gender, etc. as completely social constructs is counterproductive to me. 
yes to the bolded part but the first part was uhhhhh not great
trans women have an unique experience of being a woman. same as black women, asian women, disabled women, red haired women, blind women, african women etc. if you insist on having subsets of women then do that for every single group of woman

then that's your issue to deal with. "women" automatically includes trans women
because of your assumption that sex is a purely social construct or what?
GENDER AND SEX ARE SEPARATE THINGS WHAT THE FUCK
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Date: 11-08-2020 18:22
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