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ouch wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Slave2Master wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Because the way many european countries are structured (thanks to the influence of the EU - well, that thanks can be truthful or sarcastic, depending on how you see it), we don't see our countries as limiting as others see theirs. We basically have the same rights and approximately the same standards in all european countries. You have little differences between the countries themselves, especially when it comes to your neighbouring country. You grow up not being limited by country borders and seeing the whole EU as a whole thing. Plus yeah, many countries have had their fair share of fascist and overly-nationalist moments, so most don't see it that strict. Like, you still have many people being proud of their home counrties. But there's barely anyone who would be dumb enough (yeah, I'm saying dumb enough) to go into war over someone insulting our country or them having something we so dearly want. It's just not how our countries (for the most parts) used to work the last 100 years.

[I'm so surprised why you keep coming up with things you'd know, if you had a better education. The american school system really was lacking about 10-20 years ago...]
this is so wrong i don't even know where to start i feel really bad for europeans if they don't feel connected with their own country and just see all eurpean countries as all the same because of "the same rights and approximately the same standards". that is very sad..

thanks for not reading my text and sorely misunderstanding everything and not even going into detail to the points that actually describe the issue you were asking for. to wonder why you always get into discussions...

the EU really isn't the european country. many eureopan countries aren't in the EU, but have a treaty with it. We just don't see much sense in being proud of something, others do just as well as we do. Like I said, many are proud of their own country, but I do feel like you kinda think you can only be proud if your country, if you'd go into war for it, which is a very american sentiment barely any european will ever understand. We do have reasons to be proud of our countries, but they are the same for other countries, so it's really not something we parade around like we just won the lottery. It's way more genuine than just going "oh fuck yeah, I live in the best country in the world, because we are so big and whatnot". We all kinda have the same achievements... not really something to jerk off to and think we invented the wheel
I would jerk off to my country if I was born in russia tbh
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MasileinDE wrote:
ouch wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Slave2Master wrote:
this is so wrong i don't even know where to start i feel really bad for europeans if they don't feel connected with their own country and just see all eurpean countries as all the same because of "the same rights and approximately the same standards". that is very sad..

thanks for not reading my text and sorely misunderstanding everything and not even going into detail to the points that actually describe the issue you were asking for. to wonder why you always get into discussions...

the EU really isn't the european country. many eureopan countries aren't in the EU, but have a treaty with it. We just don't see much sense in being proud of something, others do just as well as we do. Like I said, many are proud of their own country, but I do feel like you kinda think you can only be proud if your country, if you'd go into war for it, which is a very american sentiment barely any european will ever understand. We do have reasons to be proud of our countries, but they are the same for other countries, so it's really not something we parade around like we just won the lottery. It's way more genuine than just going "oh fuck yeah, I live in the best country in the world, because we are so big and whatnot". We all kinda have the same achievements... not really something to jerk off to and think we invented the wheel
I would jerk off to my country if I was born in russia tbh

you'd kinda have to, if you don't want to get into trouble with the Kreml...
(lowkey joking, lowkey not, we all know how it is)
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ouch wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
ouch wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:

thanks for not reading my text and sorely misunderstanding everything and not even going into detail to the points that actually describe the issue you were asking for. to wonder why you always get into discussions...

the EU really isn't the european country. many eureopan countries aren't in the EU, but have a treaty with it. We just don't see much sense in being proud of something, others do just as well as we do. Like I said, many are proud of their own country, but I do feel like you kinda think you can only be proud if your country, if you'd go into war for it, which is a very american sentiment barely any european will ever understand. We do have reasons to be proud of our countries, but they are the same for other countries, so it's really not something we parade around like we just won the lottery. It's way more genuine than just going "oh fuck yeah, I live in the best country in the world, because we are so big and whatnot". We all kinda have the same achievements... not really something to jerk off to and think we invented the wheel
I would jerk off to my country if I was born in russia tbh

you'd kinda have to, if you don't want to get into trouble with the Kreml...
(lowkey joking, lowkey not, we all know how it is)
Yes it b like that, its kinda more bad than u would think but also I think, its better than north korea so ukno
its like very strict but at the same time not very strict idk how to explain
but yes, its a cool country if u look away from the crap
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MasileinDE wrote:
ouch wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
ouch wrote:
I would jerk off to my country if I was born in russia tbh

you'd kinda have to, if you don't want to get into trouble with the Kreml...
(lowkey joking, lowkey not, we all know how it is)
Yes it b like that, its kinda more bad than u would think but also I think, its better than north korea so ukno
its like very strict but at the same time not very strict idk how to explain
but yes, its a cool country if u look away from the crap

yeah, I feel like Russia just tries to jump the line as often as they can or not :d
but yes, on a historical and cultural level, Russia definitely has its merrits
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Slave2Master wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Slave2Master wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Because the way many european countries are structured (thanks to the influence of the EU - well, that thanks can be truthful or sarcastic, depending on how you see it), we don't see our countries as limiting as others see theirs. We basically have the same rights and approximately the same standards in all european countries. You have little differences between the countries themselves, especially when it comes to your neighbouring country. You grow up not being limited by country borders and seeing the whole EU as a whole thing. Plus yeah, many countries have had their fair share of fascist and overly-nationalist moments, so most don't see it that strict. Like, you still have many people being proud of their home counrties. But there's barely anyone who would be dumb enough (yeah, I'm saying dumb enough) to go into war over someone insulting our country or them having something we so dearly want. It's just not how our countries (for the most parts) used to work the last 100 years.

[I'm so surprised why you keep coming up with things you'd know, if you had a better education. The american school system really was lacking about 10-20 years ago...]
this is so wrong i don't even know where to start i feel really bad for europeans if they don't feel connected with their own country and just see all eurpean countries as all the same because of "the same rights and approximately the same standards". that is very sad..

thanks for not reading my text and sorely misunderstanding everything and not even going into detail to the points that actually describe the issue you were asking for. to wonder why you always get into discussions...

the EU really isn't the european country. many eureopan countries aren't in the EU, but have a treaty with it. We just don't see much sense in being proud of something, others do just as well as we do. Like I said, many are proud of their own country, but I do feel like you kinda think you can only be proud if your country, if you'd go into war for it, which is a very american sentiment barely any european will ever understand. We do have reasons to be proud of our countries, but they are the same for other countries, so it's really not something we parade around like we just won the lottery. It's way more genuine than just going "oh fuck yeah, I live in the best country in the world, because we are so big and whatnot". We all kinda have the same achievements... not really something to jerk off to and think we invented the wheel
i don't like that argument because you can be proud of something even if it's similar to another. i don't think it should be "a stereotypical thing for just americans to say that YES i am willing to die for my country! YES i am proud of it and i'm not ashamed to admit that. every one should... you have all the benefits and using it to the full advantage of living somewhere decent, and you are not willing to give back that respect? it's the same type of love and respect that you should have for your parents. you respect your own parents don't you? respect your country as well. be proud of it.....because it's special to you..
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MasileinDE wrote:
Slave2Master wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Slave2Master wrote:
this is so wrong i don't even know where to start i feel really bad for europeans if they don't feel connected with their own country and just see all eurpean countries as all the same because of "the same rights and approximately the same standards". that is very sad..

thanks for not reading my text and sorely misunderstanding everything and not even going into detail to the points that actually describe the issue you were asking for. to wonder why you always get into discussions...

the EU really isn't the european country. many eureopan countries aren't in the EU, but have a treaty with it. We just don't see much sense in being proud of something, others do just as well as we do. Like I said, many are proud of their own country, but I do feel like you kinda think you can only be proud if your country, if you'd go into war for it, which is a very american sentiment barely any european will ever understand. We do have reasons to be proud of our countries, but they are the same for other countries, so it's really not something we parade around like we just won the lottery. It's way more genuine than just going "oh fuck yeah, I live in the best country in the world, because we are so big and whatnot". We all kinda have the same achievements... not really something to jerk off to and think we invented the wheel
i don't like that argument because you can be proud of something even if it's similar to another. i don't think it should be "a stereotypical thing for just americans to say that YES i am willing to die for my country! YES i am proud of it and i'm not ashamed to admit that. every one should... you have all the benefits and using it to the full advantage of living somewhere decent, and you are not willing to give back that respect? it's the same type of love and respect that you should have for your parents. you respect your own parents don't you? respect your country as well. be proud of it.....

maybe it's because we don't think that being proud of something and having respect for achievements are the sme thing?
(they aren't btw, you can be respectful of something even if you aren't proud, you can also be proud but not respect something)
I mean, we kinda are giving back to all that has been done by keeping on with the change we want for our countries to happen and we shape it as best as we can and we celebrate big milestones that are important to our culture and history as a country. I guess you could call that pride? But we don't feel like it is pride for us, it's just ... it just is? Like, I know many people who are kinda indifferent to their country, which still doesn't mean they hate it. But they do respect the good things that country has done for its citizens
the matter is truly more complex than you try to break it down
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Pavlov wrote:
Slave2Master wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Slave2Master wrote:
this is so wrong i don't even know where to start i feel really bad for europeans if they don't feel connected with their own country and just see all eurpean countries as all the same because of "the same rights and approximately the same standards". that is very sad..

thanks for not reading my text and sorely misunderstanding everything and not even going into detail to the points that actually describe the issue you were asking for. to wonder why you always get into discussions...

the EU really isn't the european country. many eureopan countries aren't in the EU, but have a treaty with it. We just don't see much sense in being proud of something, others do just as well as we do. Like I said, many are proud of their own country, but I do feel like you kinda think you can only be proud if your country, if you'd go into war for it, which is a very american sentiment barely any european will ever understand. We do have reasons to be proud of our countries, but they are the same for other countries, so it's really not something we parade around like we just won the lottery. It's way more genuine than just going "oh fuck yeah, I live in the best country in the world, because we are so big and whatnot". We all kinda have the same achievements... not really something to jerk off to and think we invented the wheel
respect your country as well. be proud of it.....because it's special to you..
u dont need to love something to respect it
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Date: 31-08-2020 18:58
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Slave2Master wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Slave2Master wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:

thanks for not reading my text and sorely misunderstanding everything and not even going into detail to the points that actually describe the issue you were asking for. to wonder why you always get into discussions...

the EU really isn't the european country. many eureopan countries aren't in the EU, but have a treaty with it. We just don't see much sense in being proud of something, others do just as well as we do. Like I said, many are proud of their own country, but I do feel like you kinda think you can only be proud if your country, if you'd go into war for it, which is a very american sentiment barely any european will ever understand. We do have reasons to be proud of our countries, but they are the same for other countries, so it's really not something we parade around like we just won the lottery. It's way more genuine than just going "oh fuck yeah, I live in the best country in the world, because we are so big and whatnot". We all kinda have the same achievements... not really something to jerk off to and think we invented the wheel
i don't like that argument because you can be proud of something even if it's similar to another. i don't think it should be "a stereotypical thing for just americans to say that YES i am willing to die for my country! YES i am proud of it and i'm not ashamed to admit that. every one should... you have all the benefits and using it to the full advantage of living somewhere decent, and you are not willing to give back that respect? it's the same type of love and respect that you should have for your parents. you respect your own parents don't you? respect your country as well. be proud of it.....

maybe it's because we don't think that being proud of something and having respect for achievements are the sme thing?
(they aren't btw, you can be respectful of something even if you aren't proud, you can also be proud but not respect something)
I mean, we kinda are giving back to all that has been done by keeping on with the change we want for our countries to happen and we shape it as best as we can and we celebrate big milestones that are important to our culture and history as a country. I guess you could call that pride? But we don't feel like it is pride for us, it's just ... it just is? Like, I know many people who are kinda indifferent to their country, which still doesn't mean they hate it. But they do respect the good things that country has done for its citizens
the matter is truly more complex than you try to break it down
i don't agree with the premise that you shouldn't be proud of something just because it has similarities with others. which is even false to begin with because every country has it's differences .. hence it being a separate country.. but regardless, love, respect and be proud of your country. it really is that simple. at least to us following this thread...
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MasileinDE wrote:
Slave2Master wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Slave2Master wrote:
i don't like that argument because you can be proud of something even if it's similar to another. i don't think it should be "a stereotypical thing for just americans to say that YES i am willing to die for my country! YES i am proud of it and i'm not ashamed to admit that. every one should... you have all the benefits and using it to the full advantage of living somewhere decent, and you are not willing to give back that respect? it's the same type of love and respect that you should have for your parents. you respect your own parents don't you? respect your country as well. be proud of it.....

maybe it's because we don't think that being proud of something and having respect for achievements are the sme thing?
(they aren't btw, you can be respectful of something even if you aren't proud, you can also be proud but not respect something)
I mean, we kinda are giving back to all that has been done by keeping on with the change we want for our countries to happen and we shape it as best as we can and we celebrate big milestones that are important to our culture and history as a country. I guess you could call that pride? But we don't feel like it is pride for us, it's just ... it just is? Like, I know many people who are kinda indifferent to their country, which still doesn't mean they hate it. But they do respect the good things that country has done for its citizens
the matter is truly more complex than you try to break it down
i don't agree with the premise that you shouldn't be proud of something just because it has similarities with others. which is even false to begin with because every country has it's differences .. hence it being a separate country.. but regardless, love, respect and be proud of your country. it really is that simple. at least to us following this thread...

I get that, but national pride nowadays isn't about "oh, we are great by ouselves", but more of a "oh, we are great and better than others" - which this I can't agree with. Sure, be proud of everything good that ever happened to you
also, yes, countries are different, because of history, but at some point they all kinda have the same things now? (which is what I tried to say, but you thought that was silly, so I better just ignore that one again)

I btw am proud of my country. I might not love it (because I don't feel love for countries, heck I barely even feel it for humans), but I am proud of it and I'm proud of my nationality - even though it really isn't an ahievement, it's literally something I've been born into. (still hate most of the people I grew up with who mostly have the same sentiment and mannerism, you know, country stereotypes are true and I don't love how people from my country generally act)
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Date: 31-08-2020 19:08
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Slave2Master wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Slave2Master wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:

maybe it's because we don't think that being proud of something and having respect for achievements are the sme thing?
(they aren't btw, you can be respectful of something even if you aren't proud, you can also be proud but not respect something)
I mean, we kinda are giving back to all that has been done by keeping on with the change we want for our countries to happen and we shape it as best as we can and we celebrate big milestones that are important to our culture and history as a country. I guess you could call that pride? But we don't feel like it is pride for us, it's just ... it just is? Like, I know many people who are kinda indifferent to their country, which still doesn't mean they hate it. But they do respect the good things that country has done for its citizens
the matter is truly more complex than you try to break it down
i don't agree with the premise that you shouldn't be proud of something just because it has similarities with others. which is even false to begin with because every country has it's differences .. hence it being a separate country.. but regardless, love, respect and be proud of your country. it really is that simple. at least to us following this thread...

I get that, but national pride nowadays isn't about "oh, we are great by ouselves", but more of a "oh, we are great and better than others" - which this I can't agree with. Sure, be proud of everything good that ever happened to you
also, yes, countries are different, because of history, but at some point they all kinda have the same things now? (which is what I tried to say, but you thought that was silly, so I better just ignore that one again)

I btw am proud of my country. I might not love it (because I don't feel love for countries, heck I barely even feel it for humans), but I am proud of it and I'm proud of my nationality - even though it really isn't an ahievement, it's literally something I've been born into. (still hate most of the people I grew up with who mostly have the same sentiment and mannerism, you know, country stereotypes are true and I don't love how people from my country generally act)
why is that a bad thing in this day and age?
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ouch wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Slave2Master wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:

maybe it's because we don't think that being proud of something and having respect for achievements are the sme thing?
(they aren't btw, you can be respectful of something even if you aren't proud, you can also be proud but not respect something)
I mean, we kinda are giving back to all that has been done by keeping on with the change we want for our countries to happen and we shape it as best as we can and we celebrate big milestones that are important to our culture and history as a country. I guess you could call that pride? But we don't feel like it is pride for us, it's just ... it just is? Like, I know many people who are kinda indifferent to their country, which still doesn't mean they hate it. But they do respect the good things that country has done for its citizens
the matter is truly more complex than you try to break it down
i don't agree with the premise that you shouldn't be proud of something just because it has similarities with others. which is even false to begin with because every country has it's differences .. hence it being a separate country.. but regardless, love, respect and be proud of your country. it really is that simple. at least to us following this thread...

I get that, but national pride nowadays isn't about "oh, we are great by ouselves", but more of a "oh, we are great and better than others" - which this I can't agree with. Sure, be proud of everything good that ever happened to you
also, yes, countries are different, because of history, but at some point they all kinda have the same things now? (which is what I tried to say, but you thought that was silly, so I better just ignore that one again)

I btw am proud of my country. I might not love it (because I don't feel love for countries, heck I barely even feel it for humans), but I am proud of it and I'm proud of my nationality - even though it really isn't an ahievement, it's literally something I've been born into. (still hate most of the people I grew up with who mostly have the same sentiment and mannerism, you know, country stereotypes are true and I don't love how people from my country generally act)
I mean personally im fine with ppl thinking their country r better than other ones, cus well, some countries r just better lol, its just kinda bad when it goes to the point where u can't see any of the bad stuff in ur country or you agree to everything ur country does even if u think its bad or not 
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MasileinDE wrote:
Slave2Master wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Slave2Master wrote:
i don't agree with the premise that you shouldn't be proud of something just because it has similarities with others. which is even false to begin with because every country has it's differences .. hence it being a separate country.. but regardless, love, respect and be proud of your country. it really is that simple. at least to us following this thread...

I get that, but national pride nowadays isn't about "oh, we are great by ouselves", but more of a "oh, we are great and better than others" - which this I can't agree with. Sure, be proud of everything good that ever happened to you
also, yes, countries are different, because of history, but at some point they all kinda have the same things now? (which is what I tried to say, but you thought that was silly, so I better just ignore that one again)

I btw am proud of my country. I might not love it (because I don't feel love for countries, heck I barely even feel it for humans), but I am proud of it and I'm proud of my nationality - even though it really isn't an ahievement, it's literally something I've been born into. (still hate most of the people I grew up with who mostly have the same sentiment and mannerism, you know, country stereotypes are true and I don't love how people from my country generally act)
why is that a bad thing in this day and age?

you see, I told this already twice why it doesn't work, but you just ignore it
because for many european countries, they aren't better than other countries, because the countries are more or less the same
that's like being orange juice is better than apple juice
no, it's not, you just have a personal preference over something and being that caught up over a country, that doesn't even care about you as a person (just the same as the juice doesn't care about you) is just on the mental level of a kindergartener who tries to outbest his friends by thinking he's the greatest of them all, because he has such a sophisticated taste in juice
(if you don't get the metaphor, I seriously can't dumb it down anymore, it just shows that you don't want people's insight, but just get your point across and indoctrinate people with what you think is right instead of having a balanced discussion)
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Slave2Master wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Slave2Master wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:

I get that, but national pride nowadays isn't about "oh, we are great by ouselves", but more of a "oh, we are great and better than others" - which this I can't agree with. Sure, be proud of everything good that ever happened to you
also, yes, countries are different, because of history, but at some point they all kinda have the same things now? (which is what I tried to say, but you thought that was silly, so I better just ignore that one again)

I btw am proud of my country. I might not love it (because I don't feel love for countries, heck I barely even feel it for humans), but I am proud of it and I'm proud of my nationality - even though it really isn't an ahievement, it's literally something I've been born into. (still hate most of the people I grew up with who mostly have the same sentiment and mannerism, you know, country stereotypes are true and I don't love how people from my country generally act)
why is that a bad thing in this day and age?

you see, I told this already twice why it doesn't work, but you just ignore it
because for many european countries, they aren't better than other countries, because the countries are more or less the same
that's like being orange juice is better than apple juice
no, it's not, you just have a personal preference over something and being that caught up over a country, that doesn't even care about you as a person (just the same as the juice doesn't care about you) is just on the mental level of a kindergartener who tries to outbest his friends by thinking he's the greatest of them all, because he has such a sophisticated taste in juice
(if you don't get the metaphor, I seriously can't dumb it down anymore, it just shows that you don't want people's insight, but just get your point across and indoctrinate people with what you think is right instead of having a balanced discussion)
i'm not ignoring your argument, it's just hard to argue with a false premise that i don't agree with.. you may have your own personal experiences which makes you prefer the orange juice over the apple juice. maybe it just tastes better to you while other people prefer the apple juice.. your own personal experiences makes you prefer certain things over others. i do not see that as a bad thing.
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wug wrote:
Slave2Master wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Slave2Master wrote:
why is that a bad thing in this day and age?

you see, I told this already twice why it doesn't work, but you just ignore it
because for many european countries, they aren't better than other countries, because the countries are more or less the same
that's like being orange juice is better than apple juice
no, it's not, you just have a personal preference over something and being that caught up over a country, that doesn't even care about you as a person (just the same as the juice doesn't care about you) is just on the mental level of a kindergartener who tries to outbest his friends by thinking he's the greatest of them all, because he has such a sophisticated taste in juice
(if you don't get the metaphor, I seriously can't dumb it down anymore, it just shows that you don't want people's insight, but just get your point across and indoctrinate people with what you think is right instead of having a balanced discussion)
i'm not ignoring your argument, it's just hard to argue with a false premise that i don't agree with.. you may have your own personal experiences which makes you prefer the orange juice over the apple juice. maybe it just tastes better to you while other people prefer the apple juice.. your own personal experiences makes you prefer certain things over others. i do not see that as a bad thing.
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Date: 31-08-2020 19:23
MasileinDE
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MasileinDE wrote:
Slave2Master wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Slave2Master wrote:
why is that a bad thing in this day and age?

you see, I told this already twice why it doesn't work, but you just ignore it
because for many european countries, they aren't better than other countries, because the countries are more or less the same
that's like being orange juice is better than apple juice
no, it's not, you just have a personal preference over something and being that caught up over a country, that doesn't even care about you as a person (just the same as the juice doesn't care about you) is just on the mental level of a kindergartener who tries to outbest his friends by thinking he's the greatest of them all, because he has such a sophisticated taste in juice
(if you don't get the metaphor, I seriously can't dumb it down anymore, it just shows that you don't want people's insight, but just get your point across and indoctrinate people with what you think is right instead of having a balanced discussion)
i'm not ignoring your argument, it's just hard to argue with a false premise that i don't agree with.. you may have your own personal experiences which makes you prefer the orange juice over the apple juice. maybe it just tastes better to you while other people prefer the apple juice.. your own personal experiences makes you prefer certain things over others. i do not see that as a bad thing.

so, just because you don't agree with how other people see the world, it's wrong? boy, we are in 2020, better lose that attitude...
and btw, with you agreeing with my juice argument shows me, that you kinda agree with my original argument, even though you kept bashing it
we really not so bright over here, right mate?
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