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Anachronism
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Anachronism wrote:

Koolaid wrote:
also what do you guys think about people working out just to lose weight? and not for health reasons? is that necessarily fatphobic? i saw this tiktok of a trainer who said she wouldn't help people reach aesthetic goals anymore (like fat booty, thin stomach) but just work on health related reasons.

idk i feel like we're all a bit fatphobic. its a bit like racism or sexism

This is very interesting

I used to scoff at girls who worked out solely for aesthetics and not for health reasons, think because I dont identify with wanting to look waif and dainty? I want to look buff and fit. But I was a hypocrite cuz I did work out to be hot... just in a different way. Internalized misogyny I guess.

I do think the health benefits are the sole reason anyone should work out, because they're awesome and good for public health and all, and its never healthy to be solely wrapped up in your image. Plus working out for aesthetics primarily is often not healthy and usually disordered... laxatives, steroids, starvation ect.

However you could argue working out for aesthetic reasons is a body mod sort of thing. So I think it's ok as long as you focus on health and wont go to drastic measures to be thin or buff. I wanna tone up my core and ass and thighs and harbor no shame for it. But I think my relationship with food and my body is a healthy one.

Is it fat phobic? Idk

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Pitbull wrote:
I might be able to answer this as someone who's anorexic.

There's easy differences to spot. Like what I did was excessive poses, like especially with arms and legs. Trust me, you know when someone is bodychecking.

If a normal skinny person is just showing an outfit it'll seem more "in flow" with the persons body movements without repeating poses. Bodychecking is often doing the same thing over and over., such as doing the "thigh gap" check if i can call it that.
Actual bodychecking might seem more "stiff" as it isn't comfortable and far more tense and def. not relaxed.

(Saw people asking what bodychecking is: Bodychecking is an obsessive action where a person - out of a disordered mind - checks to see weight loss, weight gang often)

Anachronism
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Anachronism wrote:

ouch wrote:

Koolaid wrote:

ouch wrote:
Yes but I just ?? Just cus u like being skinny urself, doesn't mean u look down upon bigger ppl. Weird. Everybody should just strive to be their best self n whatever bla bla bla. Unlike what fat activists will tell u

no and i get that i also do not necessarily agree with that viewpoint, but i do think they bring up valid points. A LOT of people lose weight because they do not want to be treated like fat people are

I just don't want to look fat, but when I look at fat ppl im just ok

Im ngl this sounds like "you know I'm ok with black ppl but I wouldnt wanna be black"

Lol

Anachronism
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Anachronism wrote:
Read the thread entirely now. Interesting conversations here!

So I think theres a difference between owning your body and thinspo

Being confident and showing off how your body looks in an outfit- even if your body is flawed- is fine

However you can tell when the emphasis is on how much a person's collarbones protrude or how large their thigh gap is and not how their body looks in the outfit. It's not even about the clothes at that point.

Anachronism
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Anachronism wrote:

Anachronism wrote:
Read the thread entirely now. Interesting conversations here!

So I think theres a difference between owning your body and thinspo

Being confident and showing off how your body looks in an outfit- even if your body is flawed- is fine

However you can tell when the emphasis is on how much a person's collarbones protrude or how large their thigh gap is and not how their body looks in the outfit. It's not even about the clothes at that point.

Like, as someone who has permanent, prominent scars from self harm and no longer hides them, I can tell when a person isnt ashamed of their body and is just living their life, accepting their scars or when they're showing off and glorifying and competing

Like a few companies went under fire for not editing self harm scars on models but the emphasis wasnt the scars themselves, the point was heres a person confidently wearing our product despite their scars. That's key- the main point was still the clothing.

Yet someone like Emily Larae Smith.... her scars were the entire point of her photos and that's where I draw the line.

I cant always explain when ppl r flaunting self destruction vs practicing self acceptance but theres a vibe

Murdurur
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murdurur wrote:
i would like to know this too lol. i'm scared of posting selfies bc i don't want to be accused of body checking and being deemed a ''bad person'' over how i look. at least for me personally the ott body focus going on these days is really frustrating and a big contributing factor to how ashamed i feel about my body

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Miguel wrote:

Koolaid wrote:
also what do you guys think about people working out just to lose weight? and not for health reasons? is that necessarily fatphobic? i saw this tiktok of a trainer who said she wouldn't help people reach aesthetic goals anymore (like fat booty, thin stomach) but just work on health related reasons.

idk i feel like we're all a bit fatphobic. its a bit like racism or sexism

everyone is entitled to look whatever way they want, telling someone they're fatphobic for not wanting to be fat is bullshit
i dont think its fair to compare fatphobia to racism, because it's not really the same

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murdurur wrote:

DUCKBOY wrote:

Koolaid wrote:
also what do you guys think about people working out just to lose weight? and not for health reasons? is that necessarily fatphobic? i saw this tiktok of a trainer who said she wouldn't help people reach aesthetic goals anymore (like fat booty, thin stomach) but just work on health related reasons.

idk i feel like we're all a bit fatphobic. its a bit like racism or sexism

everyone is entitled to look whatever way they want, telling someone they're fatphobic for not wanting to be fat is bullshit
i dont think its fair to compare fatphobia to racism, because it's not really the same

yes big agree
imo fatphobia is being so blown out of proportion lately that it's starting to look like a joke

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murdurur wrote:

DUCKBOY wrote:

Koolaid wrote:
also what do you guys think about people working out just to lose weight? and not for health reasons? is that necessarily fatphobic? i saw this tiktok of a trainer who said she wouldn't help people reach aesthetic goals anymore (like fat booty, thin stomach) but just work on health related reasons.

idk i feel like we're all a bit fatphobic. its a bit like racism or sexism

everyone is entitled to look whatever way they want, telling someone they're fatphobic for not wanting to be fat is bullshit
i dont think its fair to compare fatphobia to racism, because it's not really the same

yes big agree
imo fatphobia is being so blown out of proportion lately that it's starting to look like a joke

the haes movement really ruined it for it to matter - it became so sexualized and pornofied it was doomed to end in anything but a new uwu empowering porn category.
body neautrality would've been better.
instead of focusing on how sexy fat women can be, it should've been focused on treating fat women w respect make it easier to live as a fat woman, not *just* as a sex object.

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Miguel wrote:

murdurur wrote:

DUCKBOY wrote:

Koolaid wrote:
also what do you guys think about people working out just to lose weight? and not for health reasons? is that necessarily fatphobic? i saw this tiktok of a trainer who said she wouldn't help people reach aesthetic goals anymore (like fat booty, thin stomach) but just work on health related reasons.

idk i feel like we're all a bit fatphobic. its a bit like racism or sexism

everyone is entitled to look whatever way they want, telling someone they're fatphobic for not wanting to be fat is bullshit
i dont think its fair to compare fatphobia to racism, because it's not really the same

yes big agree
imo fatphobia is being so blown out of proportion lately that it's starting to look like a joke

i think people can be assholes to fat people, though, and i know it from first hand. and yeah fuck these people but real fatphobia could be a doctor not taking the same care they do to their skinny patients whenever you have a problem (yes, i get that being fat is def going to be an aggravating factor for plenty of medical conditions and such but its not always the only thing that's going on), or getting less job opportunities just because of your physical appearance (again, it can also depend on what kind of job, because there's some that because of the physical difficulty it may be impossible for a fat person to take, but fat people shouldnt be disadvantaged/not have the same opportunities to take other jobs where you being fat or skinny matters, just because of them being fat if you get what i mean).
someone not wanting to be fat, or not wanting to date a fat person is not fatphobic, its personal choice. you may dislike it, but you can't force attraction

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Miguel wrote:
at the end of the day, people don't have to feel attraction for x people in order to show respect, the same way you dont have to believe in, lets say, a religion in order to respect religious people, and the other way around, if it makes sense

Anachronism
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Anachronism wrote:

acidreflux wrote:

murdurur wrote:

DUCKBOY wrote:
everyone is entitled to look whatever way they want, telling someone they're fatphobic for not wanting to be fat is bullshit
i dont think its fair to compare fatphobia to racism, because it's not really the same

yes big agree
imo fatphobia is being so blown out of proportion lately that it's starting to look like a joke

the haes movement really ruined it for it to matter - it became so sexualized and pornofied it was doomed to end in anything but a new uwu empowering porn category.
body neautrality would've been better.
instead of focusing on how sexy fat women can be, it should've been focused on treating fat women w respect make it easier to live as a fat woman, not *just* as a sex object.

You have a point. It's kind of interesting how a movement that was once rooted in rejecting the beauty industry and its standards has become intertwined with it. Seems the movement is more about making fatness a socially acceptable and marketable commodity than it is gaining equal rights and opportunities for fat people (though I'd say the same thing about lgbt rights these days... gotta love capitalism).

Tho i have mixed thoughts on the whole "fat is sexy" thing... lots of women feel so insecure if they arent a certain way.... like I'm all for people feeling sexy even if they don't adhere to a norm... feeling sexy with armpit hair and knowing I wouldn't be sexless if I chose not to shave kinda helped me embrace the decision.... yet I mean at the same time its just fucking hair why do I feel the need to sexualize it to feel worthy

Anachronism
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Anachronism wrote:
Idk I think sexuality is empowering if you're embracing it for yourself and exercise your rights, limits and boundaries and respect the rights of others and dont use sex as a form of servitude (not the same as being submissive btw that can certainly be a personal preference)

It can be hard not to do that tho... especially if you work in the field

If sex doesnt feel like a self expressive, artistic free exchange then I dont want it

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ouch wrote:

Anachronism wrote:

ouch wrote:

Koolaid wrote:
no and i get that i also do not necessarily agree with that viewpoint, but i do think they bring up valid points. A LOT of people lose weight because they do not want to be treated like fat people are

I just don't want to look fat, but when I look at fat ppl im just ok

Im ngl this sounds like "you know I'm ok with black ppl but I wouldnt wanna be black"

Lol

Sure but I think its normal, one tends to be more critical of our self than others. I don't rlly think its ugly being fat (except the very very big ppl uknow) but I feel like some ppl just fit certain body types more. Idk if that makes sense, like I don't fit being super skinny either, just, regular

Murdurur
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murdurur wrote:

DUCKBOY wrote:

murdurur wrote:

DUCKBOY wrote:
everyone is entitled to look whatever way they want, telling someone they're fatphobic for not wanting to be fat is bullshit
i dont think its fair to compare fatphobia to racism, because it's not really the same

yes big agree
imo fatphobia is being so blown out of proportion lately that it's starting to look like a joke

i think people can be assholes to fat people, though, and i know it from first hand. and yeah fuck these people but real fatphobia could be a doctor not taking the same care they do to their skinny patients whenever you have a problem (yes, i get that being fat is def going to be an aggravating factor for plenty of medical conditions and such but its not always the only thing that's going on), or getting less job opportunities just because of your physical appearance (again, it can also depend on what kind of job, because there's some that because of the physical difficulty it may be impossible for a fat person to take, but fat people shouldnt be disadvantaged/not have the same opportunities to take other jobs where you being fat or skinny matters, just because of them being fat if you get what i mean).
someone not wanting to be fat, or not wanting to date a fat person is not fatphobic, its personal choice. you may dislike it, but you can't force attraction

people can be assholes to anyone though, but i'm not saying you're wrong lol.

totally anecdotal but when i was obese i'd occassionally get some mean comments on my body and i would say i still get the same amount of mean comments. maybe i just didn't experience fatphobia but sometimes i get the impression that some of the body positivity people are just mad they're not being applauded and given special treatment for their weight like they assume skinny people are (they're not lmao most people are barely acknolwedged unless they have a huge social platform)