hmmm there's potentially 15-20% to save if i buy som ny instead of new-new, 15% if i need the original box and 20% if i don't ... hmm
ive never needed box
i don't think i need it either and i have a hard time throwing things like that away so logically if i get an outlet one i should pick one without the original box because then i don't have a random flat box to hoard forever