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so you're saying ugly is a personal opinion, then?

okay as it's obviously incredibly hard to understand what i'm saying i will rephrase it so my stance is clearer to everyone as it's boring to continue this discussion:

when i say "ugly" objectively exists, I don't mean that whatever defines ugly is objective, that's a subjective matter, but the existence of "ugly" cannot be debated, that is something objectively which we will never get past, someone will always fine someone else ugly no matter what.
furthermore, claiming objectively prettiness as i did, was about proportions and also things that are pretty much proved by maths, we do generally find it prettier if someone is proportional and when things are sensibly aligned. i.e. someone is more likely to be found ugly if there are visible differences between the lengths of arms, legs, eye size (then we are talking visible and not the normal thing everyone* has), eyes being aligned so it isn't like one in the forehead and the other one next to the mouth like some kind of picasso drawing, you also have this thing were humans are more likely to find eyes aesthetically pleasing with a specific length between them, if they are too near or too far that's a bit odd. etc. I don't want to elaborate any further but to sum it up:

ugly exists, what ugly is is subjective.

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Thephotoshopsurgeon on yt shows clear evidence of the proportions being the thing that matters.

I'm #blessed because pretty much everything on my body and face is proportional in that golden mean/average??? sense so yeah mathematically i'm incredibly 100%. visually however.. not so much

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wug wrote:

Fayy wrote:

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I don't really have any opinion on the matter.

All I know is that one of my old friends got a nose job which gave her a huge confidence boost and I had never seen her more happy and confident than what she was after that.

So yeah I'm a bit conflicted. I don't think we should tell our kids to get plastic surgery if they hate something about themselves. I think we should wait until they're adults. But then again why not if it could eventually help them feel better about themselves. eee

But yeah, it's just so easy to do that to yourself today.
Kinda funny how we can change our appearance completely through plastic surgery, but being tattooed on the face and hands are still illegal here in Denmark.

for real? in norway i've seen that a lot now and i'm like.. it's their bodies but like.... eeeeeeeeeeee

Yes, I have to go to freaking Sweden to get an itty bitty tattoo on my finger
Not than I'm planning to get one, but still

how strange, denmark is usually more liberal than norway so i'm a bit shook now

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I dont agree, its kind of the same as saying ppl only wear makeup to attract partners, like ugh ok

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wug wrote:

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I dont agree, its kind of the same as saying ppl only wear makeup to attract partners, like ugh ok

yeah i was thinking about make-up but also working out a lot and paying close attention to what you eat, cleaning routines etc., everything that's done to be "prettier", caring a lot about having clear skin etc.. I'm like.. hmmm sure it could be healthy but is it really healthy to do maths on what you eat to make sure you don't gain weight.. i d k

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my dick enlargement was my own choice and i feel empowered by it

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Caramelia wrote:

Snusmumrikken wrote:

Fayy wrote:

Snusmumrikken wrote:
okay as it's obviously incredibly hard to understand what i'm saying i will rephrase it so my stance is clearer to everyone as it's boring to continue this discussion:

when i say "ugly" objectively exists, I don't mean that whatever defines ugly is objective, that's a subjective matter, but the existence of "ugly" cannot be debated, that is something objectively which we will never get past, someone will always fine someone else ugly no matter what.
furthermore, claiming objectively prettiness as i did, was about proportions and also things that are pretty much proved by maths, we do generally find it prettier if someone is proportional and when things are sensibly aligned. i.e. someone is more likely to be found ugly if there are visible differences between the lengths of arms, legs, eye size (then we are talking visible and not the normal thing everyone* has), eyes being aligned so it isn't like one in the forehead and the other one next to the mouth like some kind of picasso drawing, you also have this thing were humans are more likely to find eyes aesthetically pleasing with a specific length between them, if they are too near or too far that's a bit odd. etc. I don't want to elaborate any further but to sum it up:

ugly exists, what ugly is is subjective.

Trueee
Thephotoshopsurgeon on yt shows clear evidence of the proportions being the thing that matters.

I'm #blessed because pretty much everything on my body and face is proportional in that golden mean/average??? sense so yeah mathematically i'm incredibly 100%. visually however.. not so much

pffffffff

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wug wrote:

Fayy wrote:

Snusmumrikken wrote:

Fayy wrote:
Trueee
Thephotoshopsurgeon on yt shows clear evidence of the proportions being the thing that matters.

I'm #blessed because pretty much everything on my body and face is proportional in that golden mean/average??? sense so yeah mathematically i'm incredibly 100%. visually however.. not so much

pffffffff

it's okay tho i don't really give a fuck

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I dont agree, its kind of the same as saying ppl only wear makeup to attract partners, like ugh ok

yeah i was thinking about make-up but also working out a lot and paying close attention to what you eat, cleaning routines etc., everything that's done to be "prettier", caring a lot about having clear skin etc.. I'm like.. hmmm sure it could be healthy but is it really healthy to do maths on what you eat to make sure you don't gain weight.. i d k

Yeah true, I dont see the difference between doing something like that and plastic surgery, it all boils down to u wanting to change something

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but surgeons are n o t allowed to perform surgery on patients with body dysmorphia.

I think they are allowed tho but most surgeons refrain from doing it (im thinking esp america cus idk abt other countries)

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wug wrote:

ouch wrote:

Snusmumrikken wrote:

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I dont agree, its kind of the same as saying ppl only wear makeup to attract partners, like ugh ok

yeah i was thinking about make-up but also working out a lot and paying close attention to what you eat, cleaning routines etc., everything that's done to be "prettier", caring a lot about having clear skin etc.. I'm like.. hmmm sure it could be healthy but is it really healthy to do maths on what you eat to make sure you don't gain weight.. i d k

Yeah true, I dont see the difference between doing something like that and plastic surgery, it all boils down to u wanting to change something

yeah i kind of agree

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but surgeons are n o t allowed to perform surgery on patients with body dysmorphia.

I think they are allowed tho but most surgeons refrain from doing it (im thinking esp america cus idk abt other countries)

Also body dysmorphia can just be uncomfortable with your own body if you are trans etc so saying it like that is kinda stupid cus obv they are allowed to do surgery on someone who's trans but I get your point

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wug wrote:

Vuitton wrote:

ouch wrote:

Vuitton wrote:
but surgeons are n o t allowed to perform surgery on patients with body dysmorphia.

I think they are allowed tho but most surgeons refrain from doing it (im thinking esp america cus idk abt other countries)

i looked it up because i was interested, but i found out quickly that if was going to be really difficult because, yes, most doctors refuse to. at least in countries where body dysmorphia is recognized as a disorder. we still have a long way to go.

is body dysmorpia the one where it's like "i see it's a nose in my face but this isn't my nose"

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wug wrote:

ouch wrote:

Vuitton wrote:
but surgeons are n o t allowed to perform surgery on patients with body dysmorphia.

I think they are allowed tho but most surgeons refrain from doing it (im thinking esp america cus idk abt other countries)

Also body dysmorphia can just be uncomfortable with your own body if you are trans etc so saying it like that is kinda stupid cus obv they are allowed to do surgery on someone who's trans but I get your point

no, the term on trans thing is body dysphoria

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Can't believe people are hating on knees they're like one of the best parts about humans

yea, knees are pretty good, I find them to be very normal-looking compared to other parts like for example genitals.. like what is up with genitals why are they so weird

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Caramelia wrote:

Snusmumrikken wrote:

Fayy wrote:

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for real? in norway i've seen that a lot now and i'm like.. it's their bodies but like.... eeeeeeeeeeee

Yes, I have to go to freaking Sweden to get an itty bitty tattoo on my finger
Not than I'm planning to get one, but still

how strange, denmark is usually more liberal than norway so i'm a bit shook now

Ikr I don't understand it either
I could understand it if they meant a facial tattoo with inappropriate, but making no exceptions and just making it illegal is a bit extreme in my opinion. Ig we're still a bit behind in that area, unfortunately.