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wug wrote:
kruspersille wrote:
Persona wrote:
i find it interesting that in some languages, every thing is gender neutral, but then in some languages everything seems gendered. i guess  english is kinda in the middle

in welsh, there is only one word for boyfriend/girlfriend - cariad 
in norwegian its kjæreste : P
which in a way can be translated to "dearest" cause the word can also be used as an adjective when saying like "*insert whatever* is the dearest thing i have" 
danish too allegedly
not swedish, very important to stress. 
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misjel wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
Misjel wrote:
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do you know if that is the case across all chinese languages?  certainly interesting. 
How many chinese langages are there even? Do you count dialects? They sound the same in the two I speak wahaaha

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghainese#Pronouns  
I'm not sure what is generally considered to be languages and what are dialects, but there are "chinese" "languages" that are pretty much not mutually intelligible for speakers so .. eh by that definition there should be a few 
Just wanna clarify by "they sound the same" I meant the pronounciation of the pronouns, but you might have figured that out already

Yeah, by your definition there are many for sure
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Meowmere wrote:
I may be wrong, but in Polish I don't think there is a counterpart of "they/them"  

as you can see, "oni" means "they" but it's masculine while "one" is feminine
so Polish is pretty much complicated
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wug wrote:
Misjel wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
Misjel wrote:
How many chinese langages are there even? Do you count dialects? They sound the same in the two I speak wahaaha

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghainese#Pronouns  
I'm not sure what is generally considered to be languages and what are dialects, but there are "chinese" "languages" that are pretty much not mutually intelligible for speakers so .. eh by that definition there should be a few 
Just wanna clarify by "they sound the same" I meant the pronounciation of the pronouns, but you might have figured that out already

Yeah, by your definition there are many for sure
Generally speaking, mutually intelligibility is regarded as the best way to decide whether something is a dialect or a language.. with a few exceptions in Europe because everything is eurocentric. Norwegian, Swedish and Danish are considered in linguistics to be mutually intelligible, but they will always be referred to as three separate languages despite qualifying to be one language with a lot of varieties. You also have Bosnian/Croatian/Serbian who are also mutually intelligible but for political/historical reasons are regarded as three separate languages. Mm..
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kruspersille wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
kruspersille wrote:
Persona wrote:
i find it interesting that in some languages, every thing is gender neutral, but then in some languages everything seems gendered. i guess  english is kinda in the middle

in welsh, there is only one word for boyfriend/girlfriend - cariad 
in norwegian its kjæreste : P
which in a way can be translated to "dearest" cause the word can also be used as an adjective when saying like "*insert whatever* is the dearest thing i have" 
danish too allegedly
not swedish, very important to stress. 
pojkvän och flickvän 🤮🤮
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misjel wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
Misjel wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
I'm not sure what is generally considered to be languages and what are dialects, but there are "chinese" "languages" that are pretty much not mutually intelligible for speakers so .. eh by that definition there should be a few 
Just wanna clarify by "they sound the same" I meant the pronounciation of the pronouns, but you might have figured that out already

Yeah, by your definition there are many for sure
Generally speaking, mutually intelligibility is regarded as the best way to decide whether something is a dialect or a language.. with a few exceptions in Europe because everything is eurocentric. Norwegian, Swedish and Danish are considered in linguistics to be mutually intelligible, but they will always be referred to as three separate languages despite qualifying to be one language with a lot of varieties. You also have Bosnian/Croatian/Serbian who are also mutually intelligible but for political/historical reasons are regarded as three separate languages. Mm..
I feel like languages are more of a spectrum, bet there's a list out there categorizing chinese dialects/languages but I think it's hard to bunch different areas into one                     not spending any more nerve cells on this, don't know where I'm going with this............baibieirbid
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wug wrote:
Misjel wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
Misjel wrote:
Just wanna clarify by "they sound the same" I meant the pronounciation of the pronouns, but you might have figured that out already

Yeah, by your definition there are many for sure
Generally speaking, mutually intelligibility is regarded as the best way to decide whether something is a dialect or a language.. with a few exceptions in Europe because everything is eurocentric. Norwegian, Swedish and Danish are considered in linguistics to be mutually intelligible, but they will always be referred to as three separate languages despite qualifying to be one language with a lot of varieties. You also have Bosnian/Croatian/Serbian who are also mutually intelligible but for political/historical reasons are regarded as three separate languages. Mm..
I feel like languages are more of a spectrum, bet there's a list out there categorizing chinese dialects/languages but I think it's hard to bunch different areas into one                     not spending any more nerve cells on this, don't know where I'm going with this............baibieirbid
It's impossible to tell, really. Yes, languages are a spectrum which is why it's pretty much impossible to define languages. You have no idea how many of my linguistics textbooks start off with "let me attempt to define language" and then they go on and on and just like "we will have to settle for this non-ideal definition" 
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misjel wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
Misjel wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
Generally speaking, mutually intelligibility is regarded as the best way to decide whether something is a dialect or a language.. with a few exceptions in Europe because everything is eurocentric. Norwegian, Swedish and Danish are considered in linguistics to be mutually intelligible, but they will always be referred to as three separate languages despite qualifying to be one language with a lot of varieties. You also have Bosnian/Croatian/Serbian who are also mutually intelligible but for political/historical reasons are regarded as three separate languages. Mm..
I feel like languages are more of a spectrum, bet there's a list out there categorizing chinese dialects/languages but I think it's hard to bunch different areas into one                     not spending any more nerve cells on this, don't know where I'm going with this............baibieirbid
It's impossible to tell, really. Yes, languages are a spectrum which is why it's pretty much impossible to define languages. You have no idea how many of my linguistics textbooks start off with "let me attempt to define language" and then they go on and on and just like "we will have to settle for this non-ideal definition" 
Omg yeah, you described that on point
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wug wrote:
Misjel wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
Misjel wrote:
I feel like languages are more of a spectrum, bet there's a list out there categorizing chinese dialects/languages but I think it's hard to bunch different areas into one                     not spending any more nerve cells on this, don't know where I'm going with this............baibieirbid
It's impossible to tell, really. Yes, languages are a spectrum which is why it's pretty much impossible to define languages. You have no idea how many of my linguistics textbooks start off with "let me attempt to define language" and then they go on and on and just like "we will have to settle for this non-ideal definition" 
Omg yeah, you described that on point
Basically, within language families you have some degree of mutual intelligibility even with very distant relationships although it is so insignificant no one would ever go like "iranian and norwegian is the same language", but if you look at german and dutch.. i mean?? very similar but not the same, not like norwegian and swedish, norwegian and danish, danish and swedish?
Also, because of linguistic areas you end up having separate language families with some degree of mutual intelligibility, Swedish and Finnish have had a lot of language contact for a loooooooooooong time resulting on loanwords in both languages to varying degrees. 
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misjel wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
Misjel wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
It's impossible to tell, really. Yes, languages are a spectrum which is why it's pretty much impossible to define languages. You have no idea how many of my linguistics textbooks start off with "let me attempt to define language" and then they go on and on and just like "we will have to settle for this non-ideal definition" 
Omg yeah, you described that on point
Basically, within language families you have some degree of mutual intelligibility even with very distant relationships although it is so insignificant no one would ever go like "iranian and norwegian is the same language", but if you look at german and dutch.. i mean?? very similar but not the same, not like norwegian and swedish, norwegian and danish, danish and swedish?
Also, because of linguistic areas you end up having separate language families with some degree of mutual intelligibility, Swedish and Finnish have had a lot of language contact for a loooooooooooong time resulting on loanwords in both languages to varying degrees. 
I concur, this is too big brain for me to add anything new
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commander2 wrote:
random bbut last week i saw an insta post where someone was like   my pronouns r pup/puppy n i thought it was a joke at 1st bbut it wasnt n they were just like neopronouns r valid etc. n there were like 100 comments w ppl sharing their neoronouns n gender stuff

bbut while i dont get it (like not meant in a mean way bc i think ppl shud jsut do what makes them feel comfy)i think its kinda interesting bc like 2 me pronouns r related to gender n gender is related to sex/the body even if ur trans 
bbut its interesting to me bc i feel like on social media i lately see a lot of ppl being recommended on my feed (bc i follow a lot of ppl who interact w them ig?) who seem 2 think of gender more as like a personality/interest thing or sth n kinda like  warp th og meaning or sth idk how 2 explain this lmao 
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wug wrote:
Rowan wrote:
random bbut last week i saw an insta post where someone was like   my pronouns r pup/puppy n i thought it was a joke at 1st bbut it wasnt n they were just like neopronouns r valid etc. n there were like 100 comments w ppl sharing their neoronouns n gender stuff

bbut while i dont get it (like not meant in a mean way bc i think ppl shud jsut do what makes them feel comfy)i think its kinda interesting bc like 2 me pronouns r related to gender n gender is related to sex/the body even if ur trans 
bbut its interesting to me bc i feel like on social media i lately see a lot of ppl being recommended on my feed (bc i follow a lot of ppl who interact w them ig?) who seem 2 think of gender more as like a personality/interest thing or sth n kinda like  warp th og meaning or sth idk how 2 explain this lmao 
i'm not going to say what i think i prefer having a head 
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Holy wrote:
she her ! i feel comfy like that nowadays but i used to go by they/them
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commander2 wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
Rowan wrote:
random bbut last week i saw an insta post where someone was like   my pronouns r pup/puppy n i thought it was a joke at 1st bbut it wasnt n they were just like neopronouns r valid etc. n there were like 100 comments w ppl sharing their neoronouns n gender stuff

bbut while i dont get it (like not meant in a mean way bc i think ppl shud jsut do what makes them feel comfy)i think its kinda interesting bc like 2 me pronouns r related to gender n gender is related to sex/the body even if ur trans 
bbut its interesting to me bc i feel like on social media i lately see a lot of ppl being recommended on my feed (bc i follow a lot of ppl who interact w them ig?) who seem 2 think of gender more as like a personality/interest thing or sth n kinda like  warp th og meaning or sth idk how 2 explain this lmao 
i'm not going to say what i think i prefer having a head 
i mean i feel like the majority of ppl agree with u if ur like   wow fucking weirdos ://

im just kinda like   ok interesting bc i wanna know what moves people to do it  idk in general i think its fascinating how some people don't even want to fit in bc it's sth i just totally can't relate to lmao   
bbut id also just sorta   avoid interacting with them bc it'd do more harm than good lol
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BloomCissi wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
Misjel wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
I'm not sure what is generally considered to be languages and what are dialects, but there are "chinese" "languages" that are pretty much not mutually intelligible for speakers so .. eh by that definition there should be a few 
Just wanna clarify by "they sound the same" I meant the pronounciation of the pronouns, but you might have figured that out already

Yeah, by your definition there are many for sure
Generally speaking, mutually intelligibility is regarded as the best way to decide whether something is a dialect or a language.. with a few exceptions in Europe because everything is eurocentric. Norwegian, Swedish and Danish are considered in linguistics to be mutually intelligible, but they will always be referred to as three separate languages despite qualifying to be one language with a lot of varieties. You also have Bosnian/Croatian/Serbian who are also mutually intelligible but for political/historical reasons are regarded as three separate languages. Mm..
It really doesn't make sense to speak of "Chinese" as a language, because so many of the dialects are completely impossible to understand even if you speak "Chinese". When people say Chinese, they usually mean Mandarin. As someone who understands Mandarin, I don't understand any Hokkien (my mother's/grandparents' native language) for example. 
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