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whydoiexist wrote:
jiminator wrote:
devilcake wrote:
jiminator wrote:
i feel like i know what ur thinking but maybe i dont idk! i dont know...
Speak ur truths this is a safe space
i would not be surprised if she's a republican lol
help can u elaborate whats her lore
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Date: 12-06-2025 19:39
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devilcake wrote:
jiminator wrote:
devilcake wrote:
jiminator wrote:
i feel like i know what ur thinking but maybe i dont idk! i dont know...
Speak ur truths this is a safe space
i would not be surprised if she's a republican lol
She is a rich american who is flakey on her political beliefs so shes a centrist who believes shes a leftist at best but i feel like im not surprised when any celeb is a republican atp
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devilcake wrote:
Mayb this is sexist n women feel free to tell me if it is, but chappel roan has big like white woman tears energy like i feel like shed cry to a cop to get her way over a marginalized person without bein able to see what was wrong in hindsight
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Miguel wrote:
overall i think we need to walk on eggshells (/pos) in how we criticize these kinds of actions and/or mainstream representations around women and such, because in one hand we can and should be able to talk about the negative impact that certain things can do regarding the status that women and fem-perceived people, but in the other hand we also can not fall into victim blame women and fem-perceived people for misogyny's existence 

I don't blame women nor fem-perceived people for people's actions against their autonomy and dignity because of how they want to represent or show themselves, because they would still be harmed regardless of how they portray themselves. misogyny is misogyny, and it doesn't "discriminate" between those deemed as "modest" and those deemed as "whores"

but also seeing people trying to defend the cover as something that's been done with a "empowering message" is, imo, delusional . i dont think people should consider anything a woman or fem-perceived person does as empowering just because they are the ones doing it
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Date: 12-06-2025 19:42
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taeyongnator wrote:
whydoiexist wrote:
jiminator wrote:
devilcake wrote:
Speak ur truths this is a safe space
i would not be surprised if she's a republican lol
help can u elaborate whats her lore
what devilcake said.. she seemed really frustrated at the idea of using her big platform for politics, and that to me kinda gives centrist apolitical borderline right wing  so
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taeyongnator wrote:
i understand that at the end of the day art is art and that's that but.. there has never been a time in the entirety of human history where politics didn't affect ANYTHING . or maybe i'm being dramatic 
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Miguel wrote:
devilcake wrote:
Mayb this is sexist n women feel free to tell me if it is, but chappel roan has big like white woman tears energy like i feel like shed cry to a cop to get her way over a marginalized person without bein able to see what was wrong in hindsight
not a woman myself but ive recently felt like that too regarding her . 
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joob wrote:
jiminator wrote:
i understand that at the end of the day art is art and that's that but.. there has never been a time in the entirety of human history where politics didn't affect ANYTHING . or maybe i'm being dramatic 
as a queer women drag queen mind you
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Miguel wrote:
joob wrote:
jiminator wrote:
i understand that at the end of the day art is art and that's that but.. there has never been a time in the entirety of human history where politics didn't affect ANYTHING . or maybe i'm being dramatic 
as a queer women drag queen mind you
a pretty political identity overall, which makes it insane that she seems to dislike politics and such
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Date: 12-06-2025 19:44
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taeyongnator wrote:
Miguel wrote:
overall i think we need to walk on eggshells (/pos) in how we criticize these kinds of actions and/or mainstream representations around women and such, because in one hand we can and should be able to talk about the negative impact that certain things can do regarding the status that women and fem-perceived people, but in the other hand we also can not fall into victim blame women and fem-perceived people for misogyny's existence 

I don't blame women nor fem-perceived people for people's actions against their autonomy and dignity because of how they want to represent or show themselves, because they would still be harmed regardless of how they portray themselves. misogyny is misogyny, and it doesn't "discriminate" between those deemed as "modest" and those deemed as "whores"

but also seeing people trying to defend the cover as something that's been done with a "empowering message" is, imo, delusional . i dont think people should consider anything a woman or fem-perceived person does as empowering just because they are the ones doing it
i definitely agree with you yes! and to add to that, women don't have to constantly be empowering. it does seem like it's kind of blurring the line between you know.. being a feminist, and giving into anti-feminist ideals, but it's just tiring to always have to fight for your cause. if that made sense.. but i guess i personally might hold some misogynistic views (very ashamedly so) and that might also influence my opinion of her in general so
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devilcake wrote:
Miguel wrote:
overall i think we need to walk on eggshells (/pos) in how we criticize these kinds of actions and/or mainstream representations around women and such, because in one hand we can and should be able to talk about the negative impact that certain things can do regarding the status that women and fem-perceived people, but in the other hand we also can not fall into victim blame women and fem-perceived people for misogyny's existence 

I don't blame women nor fem-perceived people for people's actions against their autonomy and dignity because of how they want to represent or show themselves, because they would still be harmed regardless of how they portray themselves. misogyny is misogyny, and it doesn't "discriminate" between those deemed as "modest" and those deemed as "whores"

but also seeing people trying to defend the cover as something that's been done with a "empowering message" is, imo, delusional . i dont think people should consider anything a woman or fem-perceived person does as empowering just because they are the ones doing it
Ur takes are based n seggsy
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devilcake wrote:
joob wrote:
jiminator wrote:
i understand that at the end of the day art is art and that's that but.. there has never been a time in the entirety of human history where politics didn't affect ANYTHING . or maybe i'm being dramatic 
as a queer women drag queen mind you

It feels sorta like appropriation to try n separate the politics from the sort of art shes portraying herself as trying to make. Like shesl iterally running around repurposing a trans woman of colours quote to describe herself but she starts to cry when people call her out on her bad political takes….
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joob wrote:
devilcake wrote:
joob wrote:
jiminator wrote:
i understand that at the end of the day art is art and that's that but.. there has never been a time in the entirety of human history where politics didn't affect ANYTHING . or maybe i'm being dramatic 
as a queer women drag queen mind you

It feels sorta like appropriation to try n separate the politics from the sort of art shes portraying herself as trying to make. Like shesl iterally running around repurposing a trans woman of colours quote to describe herself but she starts to cry when people call her out on her bad political takes….
but when someone calls her drag performative....
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Cashmere2JOOBTEAM wrote:
devilcake wrote:
joob wrote:
jiminator wrote:
i understand that at the end of the day art is art and that's that but.. there has never been a time in the entirety of human history where politics didn't affect ANYTHING . or maybe i'm being dramatic 
as a queer women drag queen mind you

It feels sorta like appropriation to try n separate the politics from the sort of art shes portraying herself as trying to make. Like shesl iterally running around repurposing a trans woman of colours quote to describe herself but she starts to cry when people call her out on her bad political takes….
Very
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Miguel wrote:
jiminator wrote:
Miguel wrote:
overall i think we need to walk on eggshells (/pos) in how we criticize these kinds of actions and/or mainstream representations around women and such, because in one hand we can and should be able to talk about the negative impact that certain things can do regarding the status that women and fem-perceived people, but in the other hand we also can not fall into victim blame women and fem-perceived people for misogyny's existence 

I don't blame women nor fem-perceived people for people's actions against their autonomy and dignity because of how they want to represent or show themselves, because they would still be harmed regardless of how they portray themselves. misogyny is misogyny, and it doesn't "discriminate" between those deemed as "modest" and those deemed as "whores"

but also seeing people trying to defend the cover as something that's been done with a "empowering message" is, imo, delusional . i dont think people should consider anything a woman or fem-perceived person does as empowering just because they are the ones doing it
i definitely agree with you yes! and to add to that, women don't have to constantly be empowering. it does seem like it's kind of blurring the line between you know.. being a feminist, and giving into anti-feminist ideals, but it's just tiring to always have to fight for your cause. if that made sense.. but i guess i personally might hold some misogynistic views (very ashamedly so) and that might also influence my opinion of her in general so
true; we (in general) are taught to act in certains ways since we're children, and all the media we consume daily influences us in the way we act or talk, to the point of being able to do things that are unconsciously non feminist . we're not bad people for doing that, but we should try to be critical thinkers as much as possible, although not try to seek perfection
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