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MasileinDE
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MasileinDE wrote:
Alam wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Alam wrote:
Not all trans people get surgeries, especially bottom surgery. I'm not a trans woman so I don't really know, but I don't think they do. I mean, trans men don't usually remove their reproductive organs. Sometimes they do, but not usually.

I know, but let's humour the discussion and say fully transitioned and all
I know that being trans doesn't mean you have to have "adjustement" surgery

but in that case, it works as well. Trans men with wombs and ovaries. They can get cervix cancer, ovarian cancer and all.

Why does this matter have to be so complex? And I kinda feel like it's so complicated because of the necessity of "political correctness" and the urge to label everything
I'm confused, what are you trying to say? Are you asking something?

yes, kinda :d

I know that some are like "my sexual identity doesn't link to my health", which results in phrases like "I'm a woman, so I can't have diseases typical for men"
I don't even know if that's a valid argument in the trans community or just some shit some people spew because they want to be edgy. so I was asking, how about trans people with leftover organs of the opposite sex, these things are important when it comes to medical history and health
I don't know how to phrase it as a question without potentially stepping on everyone's toes, it's a very touchy subject and my understanding is fairly limited to it, seeing how I don't feel like part of the discourse and the few things I get are always so varied, that I don't know if we can ever get a consensus on how to handle these matters in a medical environment
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Date: 14-12-2020 18:38
Kaaos
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Kaaos wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Alam wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:

I know, but let's humour the discussion and say fully transitioned and all
I know that being trans doesn't mean you have to have "adjustement" surgery

but in that case, it works as well. Trans men with wombs and ovaries. They can get cervix cancer, ovarian cancer and all.

Why does this matter have to be so complex? And I kinda feel like it's so complicated because of the necessity of "political correctness" and the urge to label everything
I'm confused, what are you trying to say? Are you asking something?

yes, kinda

I know that some are like "my sexual identity doesn't link to my health", which results in phrases like "I'm a woman, so I can't have diseases typical for men"
I don't even know if that's a valid argument in the trans community or just some shit some people spew because they want to be edgy. so I was asking, how about trans people with leftover organs of the opposite sex, these things are important when it comes to medical history and health
I don't know how to phrase it as a question without potentially stepping on everyone's toes, it's a very touchy subject and my understanding is fairly limited to it, seeing how I don't feel like part of the discourse and the few things I get are always so varied, that I don't know if we can ever get a consensus on how to handle these matters in a medical environment
Im not entirely sure i get what you mean but like, i do imagine most trans folks do inform their doctor about them being trans? It is sometimes medically relevant information for sure
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Date: 14-12-2020 18:55
MasileinDE
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MasileinDE wrote:
Kaaos wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Alam wrote:
I'm confused, what are you trying to say? Are you asking something?

yes, kinda

I know that some are like "my sexual identity doesn't link to my health", which results in phrases like "I'm a woman, so I can't have diseases typical for men"
I don't even know if that's a valid argument in the trans community or just some shit some people spew because they want to be edgy. so I was asking, how about trans people with leftover organs of the opposite sex, these things are important when it comes to medical history and health
I don't know how to phrase it as a question without potentially stepping on everyone's toes, it's a very touchy subject and my understanding is fairly limited to it, seeing how I don't feel like part of the discourse and the few things I get are always so varied, that I don't know if we can ever get a consensus on how to handle these matters in a medical environment
Im not entirely sure i get what you mean but like, i do imagine most trans folks do inform their doctor about them being trans? It is sometimes medically relevant information for sure

that's where I'm wondering if my confusion just stems from being exposed to "edgy trans" people or those that take it "serious"
(using quotation marks, because I know it's not the right terms to describe it and low-key insulting, but I don't know how to phrase it else, because I lack the vocabulary in that matter)
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Date: 14-12-2020 19:00
Kaaos
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Kaaos wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Kaaos wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:

yes, kinda

I know that some are like "my sexual identity doesn't link to my health", which results in phrases like "I'm a woman, so I can't have diseases typical for men"
I don't even know if that's a valid argument in the trans community or just some shit some people spew because they want to be edgy. so I was asking, how about trans people with leftover organs of the opposite sex, these things are important when it comes to medical history and health
I don't know how to phrase it as a question without potentially stepping on everyone's toes, it's a very touchy subject and my understanding is fairly limited to it, seeing how I don't feel like part of the discourse and the few things I get are always so varied, that I don't know if we can ever get a consensus on how to handle these matters in a medical environment
Im not entirely sure i get what you mean but like, i do imagine most trans folks do inform their doctor about them being trans? It is sometimes medically relevant information for sure

that's where I'm wondering if my confusion just stems from being exposed to "edgy trans" people or those that take it "serious"
(using quotation marks, because I know it's not the right terms to describe it and low-key insulting, but I don't know how to phrase it else, because I lack the vocabulary in that matter)
????? Where did you encounter these people?
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Date: 14-12-2020 19:08
MasileinDE
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MasileinDE wrote:
Kaaos wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Kaaos wrote:
Im not entirely sure i get what you mean but like, i do imagine most trans folks do inform their doctor about them being trans? It is sometimes medically relevant information for sure

that's where I'm wondering if my confusion just stems from being exposed to "edgy trans" people or those that take it "serious"
(using quotation marks, because I know it's not the right terms to describe it and low-key insulting, but I don't know how to phrase it else, because I lack the vocabulary in that matter)
????? Where did you encounter these people?

online, I also once saw a documentary about someone who was very iffy about the whole gender discussion and all, but that was ages ago
and I do know the internet is not a valid place, but to be quite honest, where else could I get the information and opinions from, I have no one in my life that could tell me from personal experience
like, there's no real way to figure out online who's for real, who's a troll and who's just trying to be something special and edgy
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Date: 14-12-2020 19:30
Kaaos
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Kaaos wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Kaaos wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:

that's where I'm wondering if my confusion just stems from being exposed to "edgy trans" people or those that take it "serious"
(using quotation marks, because I know it's not the right terms to describe it and low-key insulting, but I don't know how to phrase it else, because I lack the vocabulary in that matter)
????? Where did you encounter these people?

online, I also once saw a documentary about someone who was very iffy about the whole gender discussion and all, but that was ages ago
and I do know the internet is not a valid place, but to be quite honest, where else could I get the information and opinions from, I have no one in my life that could tell me from personal experience
like, there's no real way to figure out online who's for real, who's a troll and who's just trying to be something special and edgy
I mean im speculating to an extent, i only know my own immediate circle after all, but the relationship to one's assigned sex is an uncomfortable topic of conversation for a lot of trans people and what someone says to randos online and what they tell confidentially to their health care providers might often be quite different from one another. Also stances of this kind of stuff definitely varies from person to person. And then of course there's folks just straight up trolling as you mentioned 

From what i've heard, lot of trans folks have stories of medical professionals being very not-professional in regards to their patients'/customers' transness and that is extremely unfortunate, but obviously ideally it is in everyone's best interest to be open about one's medical history with their doctors

But like, im just one nonbinary person who is yet to medically transition at all so im probably not the most knowledgeable person either. I would recommend checking out some trans youtubers if you want to hear more stories from people but i hesitate to do that cos the internet is a mess lol
(if you want to do that tho, i'd start with Jammidodger maybe, he's very sweet and the very embodiment of the word nonthreatening)
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Date: 14-12-2020 20:02
Private
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Limbs wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:

must suck wanting someone to make you a sandwich but not being able to get it up to fulfill tha rape part
(gosh, I seriously need to stop making fun about this dark matters)
i'm not capable of addressing this seriously right now and also as a man my opinion will be dismissed anyway 

as a woman having trouble to identify as "feminist" in the broad term and an "asexual" and thus sometimes even casually excluded from the lgbtq+ community and not really accepted by the "straights" either ... I feel like I shouldn't have a voice?? Like, it's the feeling I often get from people in those discussions
oh no the cishet who makes rape jokes feels silenced : (
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Date: 14-12-2020 20:16
MasileinDE
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MasileinDE wrote:
Limbs wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
i'm not capable of addressing this seriously right now and also as a man my opinion will be dismissed anyway 

as a woman having trouble to identify as "feminist" in the broad term and an "asexual" and thus sometimes even casually excluded from the lgbtq+ community and not really accepted by the "straights" either ... I feel like I shouldn't have a voice?? Like, it's the feeling I often get from people in those discussions
oh no the cishet who makes rape jokes feels silenced : (

first of all, I'm not hetero, second of all, I indulged someone on their joke of not being able to rape women because they're gay, very sorry. also, the silence comes from being asexual. but sure, make it about yourself
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Date: 15-12-2020 09:55
MasileinDE
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MasileinDE wrote:
Kaaos wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Kaaos wrote:
????? Where did you encounter these people?

online, I also once saw a documentary about someone who was very iffy about the whole gender discussion and all, but that was ages ago
and I do know the internet is not a valid place, but to be quite honest, where else could I get the information and opinions from, I have no one in my life that could tell me from personal experience
like, there's no real way to figure out online who's for real, who's a troll and who's just trying to be something special and edgy
I mean im speculating to an extent, i only know my own immediate circle after all, but the relationship to one's assigned sex is an uncomfortable topic of conversation for a lot of trans people and what someone says to randos online and what they tell confidentially to their health care providers might often be quite different from one another. Also stances of this kind of stuff definitely varies from person to person. And then of course there's folks just straight up trolling as you mentioned 

From what i've heard, lot of trans folks have stories of medical professionals being very not-professional in regards to their patients'/customers' transness and that is extremely unfortunate, but obviously ideally it is in everyone's best interest to be open about one's medical history with their doctors

But like, im just one nonbinary person who is yet to medically transition at all so im probably not the most knowledgeable person either. I would recommend checking out some trans youtubers if you want to hear more stories from people but i hesitate to do that cos the internet is a mess lol
(if you want to do that tho, i'd start with Jammidodger maybe, he's very sweet and the very embodiment of the word nonthreatening)

that's actually really helpful, thanks :d

I do get, that it's an uncomfortable matter for most, I truly understand. I just find it very difficult for the discourse, if trying to understand is limited by personal boundaries. In a sense, it's about the same problem homosexuality had to face years ago, before people became more confident in being open about it / feeling the need to be open about it.
My issues with it is mostly that you can't really "trust" anyone, because you can easily fall down a rabbit hole of very wrong stances and opinions (just mentioning the Blaire White debacle - as someone who's not in the trans community and knows no-one from it, it would be hard to know where to start who to trust and just diving in can do more harm than you actually intended). Depending on where you start, you're setting yourself up for certain viepoints that may actually be very counterproductive to the whole matter, despite that not being what you would initially believe in.

So I'm definitely going to check out the channel you recommended, thanks a lot for this, truly.
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Date: 15-12-2020 10:03
GenderTeam
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GenderTeam wrote:
Alam wrote:
toraix wrote:
Alam wrote:
But you said he was great?
he is the first person that i have had a healthy relationship with and i feel happy right now but everyone has like imperfections but overall all the good things overcome the imperfections and i feel loved and treasured
So why are you upset you're not with a woman? I'm so confused.
jfc
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Date: 15-12-2020 10:19
Murdurur
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murdurur wrote:
im also in a relationship with a man and dude it sucks so bad lol
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Date: 15-12-2020 10:56
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sometimes i can't express how irritated i feel with people's idiocy, e.g. some of this thread
Date: 15-12-2020 11:18
Koolaid
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Koolaid wrote:
i think it's okay to not know your sexuality, don't put that pressure on urself. like who u like
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Date: 15-12-2020 11:39
Somniphobia
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Somniphobia wrote:
take your time :)
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