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How to help antisocial kids
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Junia wrote:
We have a problem with aggressive antisocial behaviour among youths (partly because of the peer orientiation culture we're living in, but that's another discussion) and the tend to bully other kids, make chaos in school with teachers, go in gangs and make crimes and so on. Many problems associated with this behaviour basically.

However, one idea to turn these children into good children have been to show actual sympathy for them, to nurture them and help them in some ways.

Well, this is an experiment that took place several decades ago. A very robust and well managed experiment where they simply took antisocial boys into a program for helping them in several ways. Giving them mentors etc. One thing they did was to take them to an expensive campus.

When the results came back, it striked them. What happened? The boys actually did worse than the control group. Why? One of the explanations given is because when you group kids togehter, what happens is that actually the LESS antisocial (or let's say nicer) kids LEARN from the more aggressive kids than the other way around.
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Date: 05-06-2020 16:42
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wug wrote:
Make them prosocial!! 🥰
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Date: 05-06-2020 16:46
Junia
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Junia wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
Make them prosocial!! 🥰

What do you even mean? 
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Date: 05-06-2020 16:47
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"antisocial boys" duh of course the experiment is gonna fail. it's just lord of the flies all over again. + jordan peterson is a dick.
Date: 05-06-2020 16:49
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Alam wrote:
Ew Jordan Peterson
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Date: 05-06-2020 16:50
Junia
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Junia wrote:
Wow, you guys are really biased against J. Peterson.
Even if you don't like Peterson, this study is just as valid. I am just picking a short video so you don't have to read about it in 50 min. But SURE, let's pick the long one.
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Date: 05-06-2020 16:55 | Times changed: 1
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Junia wrote:
acidreflux wrote:
"antisocial boys" duh of course the experiment is gonna fail. it's just lord of the flies all over again. + jordan peterson is a dick.

Oh, so there is some magical power that affects the way the boys are going to react based on one term that is even perfectly valid. Do you even know they said to the boys "Oh you are antisocial", I am pretty sure it is an term used in the afterhand to explain what kind of kids we have to deal with.
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Date: 05-06-2020 16:57
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Junia wrote:
acidreflux wrote:
"antisocial boys" duh of course the experiment is gonna fail. it's just lord of the flies all over again. + jordan peterson is a dick.

Oh, so there is some magical power that affects the way the boys are going to react based on one term that is even perfectly valid. Do you even know they said to the boys "Oh you are antisocial", I am pretty sure it is an term used in the afterhand to explain what kind of kids we have to deal with.

there was an experiment where a group of boys and a group of girls where locked inside this house, with no parental control. the boys ripped it apart and fought constantly, so they had to cut it short. the girls made aliances, delegated chores, cleaned and took care of each other. it shows a very clear picture of what the problem actually is - socialisation of girls and boys.
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besides these antisocial boys, are typically boys who has underlying issues, mental instability, abuse at home, delevopment disorders etc. then sticking them in fancy schools and forcing them to be around their peers, which they significally distrust, isn't gonna make them magically social. it's only gonna aggreviate the problem further and make them both more a target and more prone to at-risk behaviour, usually with violence towards others.

then to the topic of the less antisocial kids becoming more aggressive, is simple the same as before aggreviation - if they can't get the social stimuli they need, they'll act out.
Date: 05-06-2020 17:02
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GenderTeam wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
Make them prosocial!! 🥰
let’s start a prosocial movement!! im pro social wbu guys?😊
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Date: 05-06-2020 17:11
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Junia wrote:
acidreflux wrote:
Junia wrote:
acidreflux wrote:
"antisocial boys" duh of course the experiment is gonna fail. it's just lord of the flies all over again. + jordan peterson is a dick.

Oh, so there is some magical power that affects the way the boys are going to react based on one term that is even perfectly valid. Do you even know they said to the boys "Oh you are antisocial", I am pretty sure it is an term used in the afterhand to explain what kind of kids we have to deal with.

there was an experiment where a group of boys and a group of girls where locked inside this house, with no parental control. the boys ripped it apart and fought constantly, so they had to cut it short. the girls made aliances, delegated chores, cleaned and took care of each other. it shows a very clear picture of what the problem actually is - socialisation of girls and boys.
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besides these antisocial boys, are typically boys who has underlying issues, mental instability, abuse at home, delevopment disorders etc. then sticking them in fancy schools and forcing them to be around their peers, which they significally distrust, isn't gonna make them magically social. it's only gonna aggreviate the problem further and make them both more a target and more prone to at-risk behaviour, usually with violence towards others.

then to the topic of the less antisocial kids becoming more aggressive, is simple the same as before aggreviation - if they can't get the social stimuli they need, they'll act out.
First, I am pretty sure this study took the "having bad at home"-factor into consideration. Remember, they followed these kids closely, I am pretty sure they knew how they had it at home. Overall, it is just a lie that most kids that act out aggressively does have it bad at home. Majority doesn't. Sure, there are some, but in many cases, they do not. They simply have a more predatory personality partly based on genetics. I also saw a video ones (again, from the legitimate psychologist Jordan Peterson) that doeíng mean things actually is something addicitve for the brain. That means that you start to get doses of dopamine, and this will expand the vulnerability for making mean things again and again, and it becomes a bad circle.

I am trying to show an english article from the swedish scientist Amir Sariaslan, but can only find swedish ones. But he basically states that he finds that criminal behaviour is partly based on genetics, around 50% cause.
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Date: 05-06-2020 17:14 | Times changed: 1
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just raise kids in a environment where they are loved and respected it's not that hard
Date: 05-06-2020 17:15
Junia
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Junia wrote:
disintegration wrote:
just raise kids in a environment where they are loved and respected it's not that hard
That is the point I am trying to make, that they made a very whole hearted study on this, yet the results showed something different.
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Date: 05-06-2020 17:16
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ouch wrote:
I don't understand what ur trying to say 
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Date: 05-06-2020 17:17
Junia
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Junia wrote:
ouch wrote:
I don't understand what ur trying to say 
Many support the idea of actually helping youths that are about to go into trouble in life, like going into criminality. So they made a very large study on this, to basically help these youths in many ways. The result showed that it didn't help. It got worse for them.
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Date: 05-06-2020 17:20
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ouch wrote:
Junia wrote:
ouch wrote:
I don't understand what ur trying to say 
Many support the idea of actually helping youths that are about to go into trouble in life, like going into criminality. So they made a very large study on this, to basically help these youths in many ways. The result showed that it didn't help. It got worse for them.
But wasn't it cus they were grouped together
I could imagine it would help to lower the % of antisocial children if they are monitored from birth, however when u get like 10 I would say its pretty pointless to try to stop it if its already happened, if we are talking antisocial personality disorder 
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Date: 05-06-2020 17:22
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Junia wrote:
ouch wrote:
I don't understand what ur trying to say 
Many support the idea of actually helping youths that are about to go into trouble in life, like going into criminality. So they made a very large study on this, to basically help these youths in many ways. The result showed that it didn't help. It got worse for them.
well seperation is not good at all, inclusion works better and is less cruel
Date: 05-06-2020 17:22
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