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pick a human vs nature worldview for sience
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1 -  humans should be separate from nature if nature is to survive
or
2 - humans are a part of nature, living within it and managing it 
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Humans should die if nature is to survive, there's no other option for me
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BEWAREARTEMIS wrote:
Humans should die if nature is to survive, there's no other option for me
reminds me of this
https://twitter.com/andthejets/status/1240057976867532803
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Nesta wrote:
BEWAREARTEMIS wrote:
Humans should die if nature is to survive, there's no other option for me
reminds me of this
https://twitter.com/andthejets/status/1240057976867532803
I just know this world isn't going to change; there's too many rich people interested in ruining more and more our planet so they can become richer. So I see no point in trying to be more positive; we all should do our best to keep the earth healthy but there's not much we can do to save it anymore
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BEWAREARTEMIS wrote:
Nesta wrote:
BEWAREARTEMIS wrote:
Humans should die if nature is to survive, there's no other option for me
reminds me of this
https://twitter.com/andthejets/status/1240057976867532803
I just know this world isn't going to change; there's too many rich people interested in ruining more and more our planet so they can become richer. So I see no point in trying to be more positive; we all should do our best to keep the earth healthy but there's not much we can do to save it anymore
I mean, we could topple capitalism and not just accept the system as it is. 
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Nesta wrote:
BEWAREARTEMIS wrote:
I just know this world isn't going to change; there's too many rich people interested in ruining more and more our planet so they can become richer. So I see no point in trying to be more positive; we all should do our best to keep the earth healthy but there's not much we can do to save it anymore
I mean, we could topple capitalism and not just accept the system as it is. 
It's not that I accept the system, but it's hard to try to destroy capitalism when the most powerful people benefit from it. They get to decide what our countries will do or be, and if they wanted, they could simply just put everyone out in more misery.
Unless some powerful people actually cared about the Earth and people as a whole (I do not believe there's rich people who truly care), this planet could **maybe** have a chance to survive
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BEWAREARTEMIS wrote:
Nesta wrote:
BEWAREARTEMIS wrote:
I just know this world isn't going to change; there's too many rich people interested in ruining more and more our planet so they can become richer. So I see no point in trying to be more positive; we all should do our best to keep the earth healthy but there's not much we can do to save it anymore
I mean, we could topple capitalism and not just accept the system as it is. 
It's not that I accept the system, but it's hard to try to destroy capitalism when the most powerful people benefit from it. They get to decide what our countries will do or be, and if they wanted, they could simply just put everyone out in more misery.
Unless some powerful people actually cared about the Earth and people as a whole (I do not believe there's rich people who truly care), this planet could **maybe** have a chance to survive
Maybe we should boycott and speak up about the injustices, vote and use all your political power? A lot of rich and powerful people are rich and therefore powerful because they sell fx. products that the masses want to buy. They obv. also is based on unethical practices and non-transparency -- things will just stay the same if no one wants to say that something they do is wrong. Injustice thrives in darkness. 
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The only solution is extinction of humans but I guess seperate is better mostly imo 
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Humans are part of nature but no animal have destroyed nature this bad before. I think humans should learn again how to live in harmony with nature or disappear
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we dont need to die we just need to reverse the industrual revolution get with it
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Nesta wrote:
BEWAREARTEMIS wrote:
Nesta wrote:
I mean, we could topple capitalism and not just accept the system as it is. 
It's not that I accept the system, but it's hard to try to destroy capitalism when the most powerful people benefit from it. They get to decide what our countries will do or be, and if they wanted, they could simply just put everyone out in more misery.
Unless some powerful people actually cared about the Earth and people as a whole (I do not believe there's rich people who truly care), this planet could **maybe** have a chance to survive
Maybe we should boycott and speak up about the injustices, vote and use all your political power? A lot of rich and powerful people are rich and therefore powerful because they sell fx. products that the masses want to buy. They obv. also is based on unethical practices and non-transparency -- things will just stay the same if no one wants to say that something they do is wrong. Injustice thrives in darkness. 
It's easy to say that we could boycott and speak up, but money buys people. I mean, at least in my country, most of the people who voted for the actual president here, they recieve money and privileges for voting for them, and for defending them, even when the government fucks up.

It is possible to stop buying certain products that you believe are the cause of rich people getting richer; but we should not forget that every single business sectors are also controlled by rich people. We're talking about necessary sectors such as the food industry, for example.

Trying to boycott only a few products does *something*, but it's not making them get less rich. They will push up the prices of products that we need in order to make us pay for not buying other products.

It's totally okay and necessary to speak up, but when the majority of the population is already too busy to listen (Because people need to have a house, food, education etc... and the only way to cover those necessities is by working) it's difficult.
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BEWAREARTEMIS wrote:
Humans should die if nature is to survive, there's no other option for me

tbh
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BEWAREARTEMIS wrote:
Nesta wrote:
BEWAREARTEMIS wrote:
It's not that I accept the system, but it's hard to try to destroy capitalism when the most powerful people benefit from it. They get to decide what our countries will do or be, and if they wanted, they could simply just put everyone out in more misery.
Unless some powerful people actually cared about the Earth and people as a whole (I do not believe there's rich people who truly care), this planet could **maybe** have a chance to survive
Maybe we should boycott and speak up about the injustices, vote and use all your political power? A lot of rich and powerful people are rich and therefore powerful because they sell fx. products that the masses want to buy. They obv. also is based on unethical practices and non-transparency -- things will just stay the same if no one wants to say that something they do is wrong. Injustice thrives in darkness. 
It's easy to say that we could boycott and speak up, but money buys people. I mean, at least in my country, most of the people who voted for the actual president here, they recieve money and privileges for voting for them, and for defending them, even when the government fucks up.

It is possible to stop buying certain products that you believe are the cause of rich people getting richer; but we should not forget that every single business sectors are also controlled by rich people. We're talking about necessary sectors such as the food industry, for example.

Trying to boycott only a few products does *something*, but it's not making them get less rich. They will push up the prices of products that we need in order to make us pay for not buying other products.

It's totally okay and necessary to speak up, but when the majority of the population is already too busy to listen (Because people need to have a house, food, education etc... and the only way to cover those necessities is by working) it's difficult.
That is corruption. It's an injustice already. (idk where you live )
You clearly don't boycott stuff you need. You can buy from a company you can afford but don't support the values of (or change to more ethical companies if you can afford it) and still demand that company to do better.

The rich won't get their fortune removed but you can help prevent them from getting a crazy much richer. All companies are at the hands of profit, and that comes down to if their product is being bought or not. Like you can't have environmental justice without social justice, which generally just means we have a long way to go and a lot of battles to win on little time. 

Ofc. it's difficult. It's basically uprooting a global system that's been exploiting people in favor of the few for hundreds of years. 

But start somewhere with what you can, and then do what you can base on your privileges, that's really all anyone can ask of someone else. If that means boycott, speaking up, voting, signing petitions, donating, lifestyle changes etc. that's up to the person because there's not only one way to do things. However, some have proven more successful than others and one of them is social pressure. 

I think it's like personally more important to do what you can and have hope than to do nothing because you feel overpowered. 
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Nesta wrote:
BEWAREARTEMIS wrote:
Nesta wrote:
Maybe we should boycott and speak up about the injustices, vote and use all your political power? A lot of rich and powerful people are rich and therefore powerful because they sell fx. products that the masses want to buy. They obv. also is based on unethical practices and non-transparency -- things will just stay the same if no one wants to say that something they do is wrong. Injustice thrives in darkness. 
It's easy to say that we could boycott and speak up, but money buys people. I mean, at least in my country, most of the people who voted for the actual president here, they recieve money and privileges for voting for them, and for defending them, even when the government fucks up.

It is possible to stop buying certain products that you believe are the cause of rich people getting richer; but we should not forget that every single business sectors are also controlled by rich people. We're talking about necessary sectors such as the food industry, for example.

Trying to boycott only a few products does *something*, but it's not making them get less rich. They will push up the prices of products that we need in order to make us pay for not buying other products.

It's totally okay and necessary to speak up, but when the majority of the population is already too busy to listen (Because people need to have a house, food, education etc... and the only way to cover those necessities is by working) it's difficult.
That is corruption. It's an injustice already. (idk where you live )
You clearly don't boycott stuff you need. You can buy from a company you can afford but don't support the values of (or change to more ethical companies if you can afford it) and still demand that company to do better.

The rich won't get their fortune removed but you can help prevent them from getting a crazy much richer. All companies are at the hands of profit, and that comes down to if their product is being bought or not. Like you can't have environmental justice without social justice, which generally just means we have a long way to go and a lot of battles to win on little time. 

Ofc. it's difficult. It's basically uprooting a global system that's been exploiting people in favor of the few for hundreds of years. 

But start somewhere with what you can, and then do what you can base on your privileges, that's really all anyone can ask of someone else. If that means boycott, speaking up, voting, signing petitions, donating, lifestyle changes etc. that's up to the person because there's not only one way to do things. However, some have proven more successful than others and one of them is social pressure. 

I think it's like personally more important to do what you can and have hope than to do nothing because you feel overpowered. 
It is an injustice but we can not really risk ourselves to call them out. We, the ones who are tired of our current government (My government is, ironically, from the left) because they lie and are getting tons of people dying because of the coronavirus, or poverty (or both), get called fascists. And you know, that adjective is one of the most harmful ones because it automatically invalidates your reasonings, even if they're correct. 

Also, even if we do not support the ethics of the company, and demand the company to do better, the 90% of the time nothing changes, because we're only a few ones who demand it.

Speaking for myself, I try to buy as less as possible; and I refuse to buy things that I don't need in order to live decently, such as makeup, clothes, furniture (I literally have really old furniture from my grandmother), etc. I refuse to give my money to big industries because I am tired of the same bullshit every single day, "Buy this, something you clearly don't need but you HAVE to have it!". And it sucks because it's not a really popular opinion nor lifestyle; we're used to consumerism.

I have no hopes because I see no changes in my own country. But *maybe* in some other country the situation could possibly change. Just not in mine
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2 ?

idk why every1 thinks humans r like totally incompatible w nature...we only started fucking things up a few hundred years ago. the other few million years were fine. so being like 'humans need to die for nature to survive' is just like the stupidest thing to me because obviously not.......

its not 'humans' intrinsically or as a whole that are destroying the earth, just a few certain things that we started doing that dont HAVE to be done
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Delusion1111111 wrote:
2 ?

idk why every1 thinks humans r like totally incompatible w nature...we only started fucking things up a few hundred years ago. the other few million years were fine. so being like 'humans need to die for nature to survive' is just like the stupidest thing to me because obviously not.......

its not 'humans' intrinsically or as a whole that are destroying the earth, just a few certain things that we started doing that dont HAVE to be done
Right now, at least, we ARE incompatible with nature
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