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are men more okay with being objectified?
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Koolaid wrote:
!!! this is not me excusing objectification of any gender but really just an observation by looking at current trends


so like, body positivity and similar movements are majorly propelled by women, even though men also face these problems. for example in the show/modeling business, both men and women are definitely objectified a ton and how you look is more important than your actual talents. yet we don't really see men fighting for the cause.


same goes for fetishization. recently, asian fever has spiked amongst asian men (partly thanks to kpop and asian/weeb culture being more popular). yet asian men seem to purposefully play into this fetishization aside from asian women, who are generally repulsed by the idea of being fetishized.

so this makes me wonder, is it because of society that men are less receptive to body positivity / objectification issues? is it because of biology? is it thanks to the patriarchy that men generally experience less disadvantages from being sexualized/objectified as opposed to women? i think it's interestingĀ 
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ouch wrote:
Wvery day I get closer to becoming a manĀ 
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Koolaid wrote:
ouch wrote:
Wvery day I get closer to becoming a manĀ 
a little objectification is okay.. as a treat :3
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i def think there's a difference in how women objectify men as opposed to how men do it to women, esp in the semantics. (slight nsfw)

for example, when a woman talks about a man she finds hot, she often talks about what she'll let the man do to HER. in essence the authority and agency rests with the man. also.. women are just generally less creepy than men when they're attracted to someone, quod erat demonstrantum

when a man talks about a women, he often talks about what he'll do to HER. he is the one in control. even though both cases are objectification, one case feels much more dehumanizing. i think that men don't really mind it bc they don't deal with the negative side effects of objectification, such as stalking, sexual assault, etc, as much as women do. since the objectification of women is focused on removing agency from women. idk if im making sense......... im not a sociology student or whatever
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ouch wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
ouch wrote:
Wvery day I get closer to becoming a manĀ 
a little objectification is okay.. as a treat :3
This but unironicallyĀ 
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Limbs wrote:
oh i saw a good tiktok about this a while ago, it said men see this differently because men rarely if ever (at least most of them, in like normal life) get objectified, or treated as sexually attractive/good-looking/etc. so they have a harder time grasping why objectifying could be bad because to them that's just someone appreciating their looks for like the first time ever
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Honestly tho I am disgusted abt old women talking grossly abt younger boys n vice versa and like objectification as a whole is not that good exactly lol to put it like that, but for me I don't rlly mindĀ 
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ouch wrote:
Limbs wrote:
oh i saw a good tiktok about this a while ago, it said men see this differently because men rarely if ever (at least most of them, in like normal life) get objectified, or treated as sexually attractive/good-looking/etc. so they have a harder time grasping why objectifying could be bad because to them that's just someone appreciating their looks for like the first time ever
Yeah I think that, bad at seperating complimenting and objectification too cus they don't get as many compliments I thinkĀ 
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EtherealPJM wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
i def think there's a difference in how women objectify men as opposed to how men do it to women, esp in the semantics. (slight nsfw)

for example, when a woman talks about a man she finds hot, she often talks about what she'll let the man do to HER. in essence the authority and agency rests with the man. also.. women are just generally less creepy than men when they're attracted to someone, quod erat demonstrantum

when a man talks about a women, he often talks about what he'll do to HER. he is the one in control. even though both cases are objectification, one case feels much more dehumanizing. i think that men don't really mind it bc they don't deal with the negative side effects of objectification, such as stalking, sexual assault, etc, as much as women do. since the objectification of women is focused on removing agency from women. idk if im making sense......... im not a sociology student or whatever
males tend to be more aggressive in nature and act on desires more often, females are more emotional, dunno how to explain it but you could check on google because I don't really know.
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Koolaid wrote:
Limbs wrote:
oh i saw a good tiktok about this a while ago, it said men see this differently because men rarely if ever (at least most of them, in like normal life) get objectified, or treated as sexually attractive/good-looking/etc. so they have a harder time grasping why objectifying could be bad because to them that's just someone appreciating their looks for like the first time ever
that could also be the case! i guess women are much less straight forward when they like someone. but i would be interested to hear the opinion of a man who is very conventionally attractive to see how women treat him
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Koolaid wrote:
ElaVampire wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
i def think there's a difference in how women objectify men as opposed to how men do it to women, esp in the semantics. (slight nsfw)

for example, when a woman talks about a man she finds hot, she often talks about what she'll let the man do to HER. in essence the authority and agency rests with the man. also.. women are just generally less creepy than men when they're attracted to someone, quod erat demonstrantum

when a man talks about a women, he often talks about what he'll do to HER. he is the one in control. even though both cases are objectification, one case feels much more dehumanizing. i think that men don't really mind it bc they don't deal with the negative side effects of objectification, such as stalking, sexual assault, etc, as much as women do. since the objectification of women is focused on removing agency from women. idk if im making sense......... im not a sociology student or whatever
males tend to be more aggressive in nature and act on desires more often, females are more emotional, dunno how to explain it but you could check on google because I don't really know.
but if you say that males are more aggressive and act on desires, aren't males then the ones who are more emotional?
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EtherealPJM wrote:
Limbs wrote:
oh i saw a good tiktok about this a while ago, it said men see this differently because men rarely if ever (at least most of them, in like normal life) get objectified, or treated as sexually attractive/good-looking/etc. so they have a harder time grasping why objectifying could be bad because to them that's just someone appreciating their looks for like the first time ever
this!! ^
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EtherealPJM wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
ElaVampire wrote:
Koolaid wrote:
i def think there's a difference in how women objectify men as opposed to how men do it to women, esp in the semantics. (slight nsfw)

for example, when a woman talks about a man she finds hot, she often talks about what she'll let the man do to HER. in essence the authority and agency rests with the man. also.. women are just generally less creepy than men when they're attracted to someone, quod erat demonstrantum

when a man talks about a women, he often talks about what he'll do to HER. he is the one in control. even though both cases are objectification, one case feels much more dehumanizing. i think that men don't really mind it bc they don't deal with the negative side effects of objectification, such as stalking, sexual assault, etc, as much as women do. since the objectification of women is focused on removing agency from women. idk if im making sense......... im not a sociology student or whatever
males tend to be more aggressive in nature and act on desires more often, females are more emotional, dunno how to explain it but you could check on google because I don't really know.
but if you say that males are more aggressive and act on desires, aren't males then the ones who are more emotional?
they're more physical, don't trust me for info, not the best at storing it and remembering it
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EtherealPJM wrote:
but there are women like that! not just saying it's only guys, plus not all guys are like that
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ouch wrote:
I think a reason that they might b more reluctant to aknowledging it is happening to them is because its seen as more normal and non threatening for a woman to act like a creep than a man too. Like the whole "what if the roles were reversed" thing, like seeing on tiktok men objectifying women will get hated on in most cases, but women objectifying men is seen as smth funny, not harmful whatsoever, completely ok
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Koolaid wrote:
ouch wrote:
I think a reason that they might b more reluctant to aknowledging it is happening to them is because its seen as more normal and non threatening for a woman to act like a creep than a man too. Like the whole "what if the roles were reversed" thing, like seeing on tiktok men objectifying women will get hated on in most cases, but women objectifying men is seen as smth funny, not harmful whatsoever, completely ok
i do think the patriarchy helps women in this case, we are seen as less threatening so obviously men don't take it seriously. that's also why female rapists and abusers are often let off the hook. when a female pedophile sleeps with a boy , other men are like ' he must be lucky to get laid so early' as opposed to ' that's disgusting'
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