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help me with my thought experiment
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Sylvan wrote:
I have been sitting here for 3 hours and I still can't think of a good gedanken experiment

It has to bd helpful to answering the question 'can the individual save the environment' and I can't think of a damn thing fun fun fun
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Date: 06-09-2021 16:54
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Sylvan wrote:
okay so what I have so far:

What if people pay for the CO2 they produce not with money but with time that gets subtracted from their life?
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Date: 06-09-2021 17:05
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Barbarella wrote:
Sylvan wrote:
okay so what I have so far:

What if people pay for the CO2 they produce not with money but with time that gets subtracted from their life?
I mean
we might?
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Date: 06-09-2021 17:10
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Sylvan wrote:
Barbarella wrote:
Sylvan wrote:
okay so what I have so far:

What if people pay for the CO2 they produce not with money but with time that gets subtracted from their life?
I mean
we might?

yes, but I struggle with the conclusions and the choice one would have to make
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Date: 06-09-2021 17:13
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Sylvan wrote:
Now I constructed one and it doesn't fit my essay question

I'm so stupid today 
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Date: 06-09-2021 21:41
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I won't do the thought experiment bc i am dumb  but if u need a pro con list for the question, I got a few
Date: 06-09-2021 21:54 | Times changed: 1
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Sylvan wrote:
okay so what I have so far:

What if people pay for the CO2 they produce not with money but with time that gets subtracted from their life?
Once u get to ur co2 limit u get killed by the gov 
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Date: 06-09-2021 21:57
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Sylvan wrote:
Okay so the question of the essay is: can the individual save the environment?

One of my arguments is that the individual cannot save the environment in their role as a consumer because of several reasons, for example how it's impossible for the average human to have all of the information about the environmental damage of a product they buy. 

How do I connect a thought experiment to that?

My first thought was that I would go like: imagine that we know exactly how much damage every action/consumer decision we make has

but I'm stuck at the implications and the question
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Date: 06-09-2021 22:03
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There are btw tons of these situations discussed in dystiopa/scifi books. Like: the ones from families that contributed heavily w Co2, lost all their privileges in a new system while they who countributed the least was put on top (the ones we're meant to find) 


But here are some other wild thoughts that might help u come up with an idea:
* female empowerment, esp. giving (poor) girls/women access to school and education worldwide is one of the major things that can be done to benefit climate change. In a generation, it can reduce population density as ppl with education gets less kids and later in life. No, its not about overpopulation. Okay in a sense but not how you  may think first. It will reduce the population growth as families living in poverty often need several kids to survive. It should potentially raise their wealth by access to work, and also limit claim on resourges. Obvi there are more undetones to it like the west got all the food, stealing all the resources using the most, but ye u can research this if it is interesting. 

Okay let me jump on my laptop to help u think w ur newest post 
Date: 06-09-2021 22:08 | Times changed: 1
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Sylvan wrote:
Nesta wrote:
There are btw tons of these situations discussed in dystiopa/scifi books. Like: the ones from families that contributed heavily w Co2, lost all their privileges in a new system while they who countributed the least was put on top (the ones we're meant to find) 


But here are some other wild thoughts that might help u come up with an idea:
* female empowerment, esp. giving (poor) girls/women access to school and education worldwide is one of the major things that can be done to benefit climate change. In a generation, it can reduce population density as ppl with education gets less kids and later in life. No, its not about overpopulation. Okay in a sense but not how you  may think first. It will reduce the population growth as families living in poverty often need several kids to survive. It should potentially raise their wealth by access to work, and also limit claim on resourges. Obvi there are more undetones to it like the west got all the food, stealing all the resources using the most, but ye u can research this if it is interesting. 

Okay let me jump on my laptop to help u think w ur newest post 
Those are all really great ideas, but I struggle to connect them with an argument that discusses the pros and cons of an individual being able to save the environment 
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Date: 06-09-2021 22:16
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This post is going to take me forever, by the way, I have an entire supply chain to explain and hope it makes sense while attempting to connect it to social issues and possible scenarios. I'm not sure I'm going to make a point in the end, but maybe the ideas may be useful. 
Date: 06-09-2021 22:22
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Sylvan wrote:
Nesta wrote:
This post is going to take me forever, by the way, I have an entire supply chain to explain and hope it makes sense while attempting to connect it to social issues and possible scenarios. I'm not sure I'm going to make a point in the end, but maybe the ideas may be useful. 
Oh wow
Thank u so much

Please don't feel any pressure to do this, it's really not the end of the world if I don't find a perfect scenario for my thought experiment. 
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Date: 06-09-2021 22:24
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Troyaferd wrote:
I think you think to much maybe.
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Date: 06-09-2021 22:53
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I sent it on pm because it became a rant  so you will have to try understand it and take what you think may be useful for your text and what might not, and yea, research it further. I normally skip between topics a lot as a think, ops


what I originally was thinking was exemplifying deforestation in the Amazon with its controversies, and also w deforestation being worsened after the recent presidental shift even tho it had been improved prior due to political decisions : /  but ye i didn't but that's a topic too
Date: 06-09-2021 23:59 | Times changed: 4
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Rotte wrote:
ouch wrote:
Sylvan wrote:
okay so what I have so far:

What if people pay for the CO2 they produce not with money but with time that gets subtracted from their life?
Once u get to ur co2 limit u get killed by the gov 
sounds like it could be a book, probably is a book
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Date: 07-09-2021 00:26
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I think you can argue that "despite everything good individuals can do, and the influence and effect it can have on the people and community around them, most of it is not possible without a certain degree of privilege, e. g. Infrastructure, access/money/health, or education. These are functions and tools that more often is implimented large-scale by the institutions in power than ensured by individuals and smaller communities.* A more effective way to "solve the climate crisis" is to tax the rich and distribute money and resources to where it is needed and include preventative measures. Politically, we all have a individual vote that matters, but more importantly, we need to put pressure on politicians to establish policies that holds organization and stakeholders responsible for the pollution and degrading of our natural world that they contribute to on the daily. Consumers can only do so much without the willingness of the people in power to listen and follow them up."
 
*not universal. Depends on place in thr world. Im thinking wester sociery, cities 
Hope this made sense
Date: 07-09-2021 00:29 | Times changed: 2
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