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green capitalism v. transformation
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I'm reading about green transformation (grønn omstilling), and suffering through green capitalism to hopefully gain some more insight into how this works in Norway. I also asked my dad if he was for green capitalism or radical change (Transformation), as they were described in the norwegian article and thus suffer traslation errors. So now, i'm gonna ask you guys the same: also why. 


the article descriptions, summarized and translated:
green capitalism - focuses on using the institutions that already exists. thinks the "green transformation\sustainable practices for the industries" should happen through market forces. values economic growth, and wealth for businesses. thinks this is the most cost-effective approach. improves or adapts to today and the future of society instead of doing any radical changes.

radical change - thinks green capitalism upholds the sustainability issue and that it is a matter of resources being used. believes in degrowth and prosperity without growth. fundemental changes has to happen across many sectors continually and not operate sector-to-sector based. requires a fundemental change in peoples though patterns and behaviors. we need more than only technological changes. we can't get stuck in the idea that society shouldn't change (norway particularly being stuck in oil-era thoughts and ideas).
Date: 24-11-2021 17:32 | Times changed: 2
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I'm not really for anything capitalism, not entirely. Not that true capitalism has ever been implemented, thank fuck, but yeah, mixed/ democratic socialist economies are probably the most realistic, not that I know really anything about economics lol. Anyway, when it comes to environmental protection, everything has to be radical and quick because we are actually dying so like. Yeh.
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Date: 24-11-2021 17:35
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Capitalism can never be compatible with sustainability. 
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Date: 24-11-2021 17:42
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The chapter I'm reading now is calling me out. Hopefully, it leaves me with some answers.
Date: 24-11-2021 18:20
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Green capitalism 
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Date: 24-11-2021 18:54
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ouch wrote:
Green capitalism 
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Date: 24-11-2021 20:16
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why
Date: 24-11-2021 20:36
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Green capitalism 
Why: because 1. I don't care much abt the environment or at all. 2. Easier to get ppl or rlly anything to change if its implemented in the structures we already have (capitalism), more ppl will listen if stuff isn't laid out in a radical way, most ppl will reject taking actions that are radical. More would come from changing small stuff I believe than to have radical changes cus ppl don't want that. At least not me, its not my future that is at stake anyway. 
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Date: 24-11-2021 20:53
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Green capitalism 
Why: because 1. I don't care much abt the environment or at all. 2. Easier to get ppl or rlly anything to change if its implemented in the structures we already have (capitalism), more ppl will listen if stuff isn't laid out in a radical way, most ppl will reject taking actions that are radical. More would come from changing small stuff I believe than to have radical changes cus ppl don't want that. At least not me, its not my future that is at stake anyway. 
Im not for any of them but if  I had to choose 
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Date: 24-11-2021 20:55
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I don't believe in green capitalism.. other than it tries to make scetchy brands a tiny bit more ''woke'' yet not doing anything at all to make a positive change. It's all the same shit, but brownie points. 
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Date: 24-11-2021 20:56
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I don't believe in green capitalism.. other than it tries to make scetchy brands a tiny bit more ''woke'' yet not doing anything at all to make a positive change. It's all the same shit, but brownie points. 
Legit only believe most of ''green capitalism''.. it's just greenwashing. They care about profitt and selling, which are no-no for envoriment. But small change that seem greener - they will brand it like it's lord saviour eco-friendly because pro-evoriment sells.  
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Date: 24-11-2021 21:08
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I don't believe in green capitalism.. other than it tries to make scetchy brands a tiny bit more ''woke'' yet not doing anything at all to make a positive change. It's all the same shit, but brownie points. 
Legit only believe most of ''green capitalism''.. it's just greenwashing. They care about profitt and selling, which are no-no for envoriment. But small change that seem greener - they will brand it like it's lord saviour eco-friendly because pro-evoriment sells.  
Also it won't do much difference enough, kind of mocking to think the very much culprit gonna fix it by being like uwu we recycle sometimes to sell same thing but different uwu and still produce tons of things. I truly believe if any chance of change or slowing down the process of global warming it needs radical change. 
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@Versailles @ouch 
thanks for elaborating!
Date: 24-11-2021 22:29
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