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Hungover
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hungover wrote:
just called anti-feminist for saying billie eilish was born into the music industry?????????
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Date: 23-03-2022 12:44
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Limbs wrote:
lmao
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Date: 23-03-2022 12:45
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devilcake wrote:
Why stop there how dare you that’s outright misogyny 
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Date: 23-03-2022 12:46
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hungover wrote:
devilcake wrote:
Why stop there how dare you that’s outright misogyny 
you're right, better make an apology video
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Date: 23-03-2022 12:48
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ouch wrote:
Yes shes a young independant woman did everything herself musical genius
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Date: 23-03-2022 12:50
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hungover wrote:
i mean, both her brother and father are in the industry lol
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Date: 23-03-2022 12:51
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Klavier wrote:
wow. woman hater
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Date: 23-03-2022 13:01
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MasileinDE wrote:
hungover wrote:
i mean, both her brother and father are in the industry lol
no no, you don't get it
them being in the industry has nothing to do with her having any ties to them
as a true feminist example, she devoids herself of family ties and had to invent the music industry to even become big in it


all jokes aside, I think people just don't like the dichotomy between being privileged (in this case wanting to become a musician and having (established) family ties in the business) and then still being on the side of any social disparities (getting big in the music industry has a lot more and definitely different hurdles for women than it does for men, so often enough women making it big in any kind of show business have to often put in more or different work than men) that might ruin that chance for you
like, having ties in the industry does not necessarily mean you'll make it. so attributing all her achievements just to the fact that she was born into this family is glossing over the fact that she did have to put a lot of work in herself. Maybe not as much as anyone who wasn't so lucky, but for sure still a lot of work.
But in a world that thinks everything not coloured black or white too difficult to understand or relate to, that slide on the - let's call it privilege scale is ignored in favour of either ignoring any privileges because of certain obstacles or erasing all kinds of obstacles in favour of highlighting privilege

if anything at all, that comment says way more about the person who said this to you and their ability to see the greyscale of social injustice than anything else
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Date: 23-03-2022 13:02
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5sar wrote:
during womens history month smh!
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Date: 23-03-2022 13:02
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remains wrote:
ummmmm but shes a woman tho???????? that means shes severely oppressed, that means shes never in her life had any kind of privilege, doesnt matter if shes rich as hell cuz shes a woman
everyone knows white rich successful women are the most oppressed of them all
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Date: 23-03-2022 13:07
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hungover wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
hungover wrote:
i mean, both her brother and father are in the industry lol
no no, you don't get it
them being in the industry has nothing to do with her having any ties to them
as a true feminist example, she devoids herself of family ties and had to invent the music industry to even become big in it


all jokes aside, I think people just don't like the dichotomy between being privileged (in this case wanting to become a musician and having (established) family ties in the business) and then still being on the side of any social disparities (getting big in the music industry has a lot more and definitely different hurdles for women than it does for men, so often enough women making it big in any kind of show business have to often put in more or different work than men) that might ruin that chance for you
like, having ties in the industry does not necessarily mean you'll make it. so attributing all her achievements just to the fact that she was born into this family is glossing over the fact that she did have to put a lot of work in herself. Maybe not as much as anyone who wasn't so lucky, but for sure still a lot of work.
But in a world that thinks everything not coloured black or white too difficult to understand or relate to, that slide on the - let's call it privilege scale is ignored in favour of either ignoring any privileges because of certain obstacles or erasing all kinds of obstacles in favour of highlighting privilege

if anything at all, that comment says way more about the person who said this to you and their ability to see the greyscale of social injustice than anything else
I get what you're saying. But I really don't understand how it's anti-feminist to call out the privilege she had, while still acknowledging what she's doing for the younger generation by speaking on mental health issues and etc. Like I said in the conversation with the person, I respect Billie a lot, I think she's insanely talented, but I can't shake the fact that she DID have a certain privilege by having ties in the industry already.

No, having ties doesn't guarantee that you'll make it big, nowhere did I say that.
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Date: 23-03-2022 13:08
MasileinDE
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MasileinDE wrote:
hungover wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
hungover wrote:
i mean, both her brother and father are in the industry lol
no no, you don't get it
them being in the industry has nothing to do with her having any ties to them
as a true feminist example, she devoids herself of family ties and had to invent the music industry to even become big in it


all jokes aside, I think people just don't like the dichotomy between being privileged (in this case wanting to become a musician and having (established) family ties in the business) and then still being on the side of any social disparities (getting big in the music industry has a lot more and definitely different hurdles for women than it does for men, so often enough women making it big in any kind of show business have to often put in more or different work than men) that might ruin that chance for you
like, having ties in the industry does not necessarily mean you'll make it. so attributing all her achievements just to the fact that she was born into this family is glossing over the fact that she did have to put a lot of work in herself. Maybe not as much as anyone who wasn't so lucky, but for sure still a lot of work.
But in a world that thinks everything not coloured black or white too difficult to understand or relate to, that slide on the - let's call it privilege scale is ignored in favour of either ignoring any privileges because of certain obstacles or erasing all kinds of obstacles in favour of highlighting privilege

if anything at all, that comment says way more about the person who said this to you and their ability to see the greyscale of social injustice than anything else
I get what you're saying. But I really don't understand how it's anti-feminist to call out the privilege she had, while still acknowledging what she's doing for the younger generation by speaking on mental health issues and etc. Like I said in the conversation with the person, I respect Billie a lot, I think she's insanely talented, but I can't shake the fact that she DID have a certain privilege by having ties in the industry already.

No, having ties doesn't guarantee that you'll make it big, nowhere did I say that.
it isn't if you look at the big picture
it is if you go at it and ignore any kind of privilege she has in favour of just being able to see her as a woman and nothing else, because if you remove everything but her gender identity from her, then yeah, maybe
but I think even then you have to do a lot of lunging to reach the position to say it's anti-feminist to not attribute all her fame to her
the rest was me trying to explain why people don't like looking at the big picture and like to ignore it, because not everyone with the same requisite starting set will reach the same goal, thus this makes it "too difficult"
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Date: 23-03-2022 13:11
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hungover wrote:
Didn't she also queerbait, by the way? I'm not too caught up with her problematic behaviour..
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Date: 23-03-2022 13:13
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remains wrote:
reminds me of that one white director lady giving an award acceptance speech saying shit like "serena and venus williams, youve accomplished a lot but you wouldnt have any idea how hard i've had it in this male dominated industry =)" for no reason
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Date: 23-03-2022 13:13
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hungover wrote:
bones wrote:
reminds me of that one white director lady giving an award acceptance speech saying shit like "serena and venus williams, youve accomplished a lot but you wouldnt have any idea how hard i've had it in this male dominated industry =)" for no reason
I think it's important to acknowledge that both the film and music industry is white male-dominated, and women often do have to work harder
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Date: 23-03-2022 13:15
MasileinDE
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MasileinDE wrote:
hungover wrote:
bones wrote:
reminds me of that one white director lady giving an award acceptance speech saying shit like "serena and venus williams, youve accomplished a lot but you wouldnt have any idea how hard i've had it in this male dominated industry =)" for no reason
I think it's important to acknowledge that both the film and music industry is white male-dominated, and women often do have to work harder
yeah, but it's still stupid to say to someone who has the same struggles like you and additionally to that has to fight racist stereotypes, to go out and be like "well, I still had it worse, just because I say so, because despite you being in a male dominated industry just like me, I still have to say I had to fight worse"
idk, it screems inconsiderate at best, racist at worst
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Date: 23-03-2022 13:18
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