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FT: Think without language?
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BloomCissi wrote:



Our brains are amazing organs. 
They are responsible for all the different processes going on in our bodies,
both those that are conscious and those that are not. 

Have you ever thought about what's going on 
in your brain when you're thinking? 
About how the process is like? 

I'm very verbal in my thinking, and that made me wonder 
if it's the same for other people as well. 

Do you "talk to yourself" inside your brain? 
Do you think it is possible to think without having a language?

What are your thoughts? 
(No, that was absolutely not a pun) 

Tell me!
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wug wrote:
I AM INTRIGUED 
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December wrote:
i've always wondered how deaf people think
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Fillory wrote:
My mind is twisting right now. 
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wug wrote:
My thoughts are almost exclusively verbal, any other processes need careful attention and concentration to work. I think in multiple languages and with only one voice, I cannot understand how people can "think" or "imagine" another voice that's pretty much a mysterium to me. 
Whether it is possible to think without language is very complicated, a part of me want to say no, it's hard for me to think of a scenario with a person who thinks completely without any element of language, the only possible way that could happen given all the abstract things humans imagine, experience, feel etc. I would assume that if you think in numbers?? Maybe?? But could numbers qualify as a type of language, in programming they talk about prog languages. 
We do, however, have different ways of denoting words so given that some languages uses more abstract systems than what European languages can be claimed to use, such as logograms and stuff like that.. the most complicated of those combine several other entities. 
Perhaps if you are able to think in colours, pictures, feelings, and smells it might to some extent be possible, but as language is such a fundamental skill and people without language seem to be severely impaired by that I would argue that for those who might not have any element of language in their thoughts.. it's probably, and likely limited. 
What would be incredibly interesting is if people are able to think in the mentioned: colours, pictures, feelings, and smells, do they have a syntactic structure of this? Would it be possible to syntactically show how such thought processes would work, if so, is it really completely without language? If it proves the linguistic theory of Universal Grammar.. then it's arguably a type of language, but a type of language so removed from the forms of languages we have thus far mapped, in the mediums we have observed it: sign language, oral language, and written language. 
They do use a lot of resources in psycholinguistics, so if some people think with a very different technique than the general public, we will probably discover that within the coming decades.

God I hope this isn't too long lmao. 
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Cute wrote:
i talk to myself 
out
loud
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Oh, this reminds me of the book I am reading. It's talking wildly (fictional but also rather philosophical) about the name we give things and that the moment we give a thing a name it isn't the same thing that it was before. It doesn't just exist as that thing exactly as it is, now it is different because we named it and I assume have expectations to it. Like a rose is smelling sweet so you expect it to smell sweet. But also the book felt a bit like Platon's Allegory of a Cave. And I'm not done so this may change.


I don't know what the purpose of this was. *offers*
Date: 31-10-2019 17:39
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Emiliaaaaaaa wrote:
people can Think without any languages. yes, i did that Before i could talk.
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I think you can think without language, but you would like see things more as pictures or memories than recall the meaning of the words you use to think with. kinda? 
Date: 31-10-2019 17:41
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ad0xa wrote:
I've heard that dyslectic people don't have a "inner voice" (in the more extreme cases I'm guessing) 

I'm a bit dyslectic but I have a inner voice. 
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luminescence wrote:
Do you "talk to yourself" inside your brain? - All the time, lol. Example: "Stop worrying, everything's gonna be ok" and all that when I'm stressed out and trying to calm down myself

Do you think it is possible to think without having a language? - Yes
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BloomCissi wrote:
December wrote:
i've always wondered how deaf people think
This was one of the things I was thinking about when I came up with this topic. It's really hard for me to imagine how it's like not to have words to express your thoughts.
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wug wrote:
BloomCissi wrote:
December wrote:
i've always wondered how deaf people think
This was one of the things I was thinking about when I came up with this topic. It's really hard for me to imagine how it's like not to have words to express your thoughts.
But they do have words
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Meowmere wrote:
Snusmumrikken wrote:
BloomCissi wrote:
December wrote:
i've always wondered how deaf people think
This was one of the things I was thinking about when I came up with this topic. It's really hard for me to imagine how it's like not to have words to express your thoughts.
But they do have words
it is similar to a language that have children, like something created by  their own 
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luminescence wrote:
I'm not bilingual but I studied three years in English (which is not my native language), and now my verbal thoughts are sometimes a mix of Finnish and English words and it's kinda frustrating, especially when I'm supposed to say out loud what I'm thinking. I do it unconsciously.  
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ad0xa wrote:
Mostly I 'm thinking like I'm explaining something to someone.

Like  I'm explaining stuff for the universe or something XD

Sometimes it's directed to a specific person. Or more like, a specific question. Sometimes it's not so much a question that someone wonders about ME but something that I wonder about the world. And then it's more like a conversation with myself. Like "it has to be like.... bc... otherwise... but what if this instead of that? " ect

I also think A LOT in pictures. Which makes it hard for me to explain my thoughts some times.... or just makes me sound stupid at first XD until they get what I mean. 
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