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Solar
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Solar wrote:

Olympus wrote:

Solar wrote:

Olympus wrote:
Is it? you'd have to let me know
I put it that way for the hypothetical, but also, for the real life price, i think you should be able to get the 7 token set and have something left over with it (as in, you should be able to maybe get two items with it)

hmm.. i think it's hard to say what one 'should' be able to get or not w the 12eu package because it's not really comparable with the way it worked in MCM
like in theory someone who buys the 12eu package can still get the same amount of sets as they did before when we still had mcm, or do what you say (buy a set and maybe get an item or two), or save up their tokens so they can buy a more expensive set but then its only that one set
so i think saying you should be able to buy a token set you really want with that amount of money kind of goes against why the token system was implemented in the first place, because vp needs more money to stay afloat

i don't think so. I believe you guarantee money, when your target audience can buy the product! one of the main concerns before tokens were a fully fleshed out idea, was that you (or people who cannot justify the price) cannot get the set you genuinely want because of where it's placed in MCM and tokens was supposed to address that...but the price still feels like a barrier for some. I guess my concern is what if the thing stopping some people from buying at all is just a few more tokens

I think it can be balanced out and the goal will be achieved more efficiently, but again i can't truly say, which is why i'm asking!

i mean, i think that's true as well!! i think it just depends on how many ppl are buying the 48 package and if that's enough to keep the site going - if it is, i don't think anyone will change the 'token balancing' because why risk it youknow...
nn i do think that tokens do already address that specific MCM issue... like it really is just a saving up thing right? with MCM it was in no way possible to buy the most expensive set if you didnt have the money to spare that month. with tokens it already is possible to save them up to buy a set you really want

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ouch wrote:
I wouldn't buy anyway I think, but if I wanted to then yes, 24€ too much for 1 set for me

Solar
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Solar wrote:

Olympus wrote:

Solar wrote:

Olympus wrote:
I don't know who is buying tokens and how often or which packages they are buying so i can't paint a full picture, but what i am trying to figure out with this question is if there would be MORE sales, if the token sets are a bit more in reach (as in not paying what is the equivalent of 40 dollars my currency, to only get one set but something like 18-19 dollars)

but yes, i think the first 3 packages have not enough in them, and the 96 euro package has too much considering in the before times, the MCM sets stopped at 48euro package...if the value of the 96 euro package trickles down to balance into the packages under it, i wonder if it would make the tokens make more sense

mmm yes i see, i also have no clue who buys what of course but i get what you're saying, i guess the value you get out of the token sets really depends on what your currency is like - for me the 12eu package is equivalent to roughly 14 dollars so thats a big price 'difference'

so you're saying divide the tokens currently in the 96 package in the other packages? surely that would lead to less sales right... if i had 20 more tokens to spend when buying the 48 package, i would just buy less often

kind of shooting myself in the foot here lol but yea

No, i don't think the packages need an overage, they just need to be balanced! you wouldn't necessarily get 20 extra tokens in that package

i think there shouldn't be as much going on with the 96 package, i'm not sure if people buy it of course, but i assume to make the amount of tokens in it make sense, it needs to have the most, which means by the time you get to the first package, it has the least, but if that's all you can get for the month, you're saving until a singular item you like hits the store. where as sets can start at 2 euros. you should be able to get that set with that first package at LEAST.

is anyone buying a package twice to ensure they get enough? should the token amount be congruent with the cost of the set themselves (the lower packages have a short, so ofc you buy the package up)

aaah okay yes that makes more sense hehe

i can't remember how it was before, i tried looking for a mcm thread but cant find anything on this site ever lol.. didn't the mcm sets start at 6eu as well?

hmmm isn't the first package there for the single items one can buy with tokens? and then the 6eu package the first package you can buy a set with? because 2 tokens is enough to buy some sets with right or am i tripping

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ouch wrote:

ouch wrote:
I wouldn't buy anyway I think, but if I wanted to then yes, 24€ too much for 1 set for me

I just saw its 8+4 tokens I didn't rlly register the +4 so my thinking is incorrect

Olympus
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Olympus wrote:

Solar wrote:

Olympus wrote:

Solar wrote:
hmm.. i think it's hard to say what one 'should' be able to get or not w the 12eu package because it's not really comparable with the way it worked in MCM
like in theory someone who buys the 12eu package can still get the same amount of sets as they did before when we still had mcm, or do what you say (buy a set and maybe get an item or two), or save up their tokens so they can buy a more expensive set but then its only that one set
so i think saying you should be able to buy a token set you really want with that amount of money kind of goes against why the token system was implemented in the first place, because vp needs more money to stay afloat

i don't think so. I believe you guarantee money, when your target audience can buy the product! one of the main concerns before tokens were a fully fleshed out idea, was that you (or people who cannot justify the price) cannot get the set you genuinely want because of where it's placed in MCM and tokens was supposed to address that...but the price still feels like a barrier for some. I guess my concern is what if the thing stopping some people from buying at all is just a few more tokens

I think it can be balanced out and the goal will be achieved more efficiently, but again i can't truly say, which is why i'm asking!

i mean, i think that's true as well!! i think it just depends on how many ppl are buying the 48 package and if that's enough to keep the site going - if it is, i don't think anyone will change the 'token balancing' because why risk it youknow...
nn i do think that tokens do already address that specific MCM issue... like it really is just a saving up thing right? with MCM it was in no way possible to buy the most expensive set if you didnt have the money to spare that month. with tokens it already is possible to save them up to buy a set you really want

but see does the concept of saving up for a theoretical future set you MIGHT end up wanting make sense?
the 7 token sets in the shop right now, i would guaranteed buy if the price made more sense, if i only needed to spend 7-9 euros(10-14 dollars my currency) to get the one set i want, i would do that immediately.

not seeing anything i want to buy, doesn't entice me personally, to want to just buy a package anyway so i can save up for a possible really good set. to me, when money in this economy is so precious everything needs to make sense

and i guess that actually leans into my other thread asking for another tokens only package. the price also is what it is because it's linked with the credits everyone is allegedly already having a hard time spending.

would it be accessible to permanently have 2 packages that are tokens only? or in the middle or end of the month have a token only package that pops up?

Olympus
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Olympus wrote:

ouch wrote:

ouch wrote:
I wouldn't buy anyway I think, but if I wanted to then yes, 24€ too much for 1 set for me

I just saw its 8+4 tokens I didn't rlly register the +4 so my thinking is incorrect

yes it has extra! i still personally can't justify that because it is 40 dollars still LOL

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Olympus wrote:

Solar wrote:

Olympus wrote:

Solar wrote:
mmm yes i see, i also have no clue who buys what of course but i get what you're saying, i guess the value you get out of the token sets really depends on what your currency is like - for me the 12eu package is equivalent to roughly 14 dollars so thats a big price 'difference'

so you're saying divide the tokens currently in the 96 package in the other packages? surely that would lead to less sales right... if i had 20 more tokens to spend when buying the 48 package, i would just buy less often

kind of shooting myself in the foot here lol but yea

No, i don't think the packages need an overage, they just need to be balanced! you wouldn't necessarily get 20 extra tokens in that package

i think there shouldn't be as much going on with the 96 package, i'm not sure if people buy it of course, but i assume to make the amount of tokens in it make sense, it needs to have the most, which means by the time you get to the first package, it has the least, but if that's all you can get for the month, you're saving until a singular item you like hits the store. where as sets can start at 2 euros. you should be able to get that set with that first package at LEAST.

is anyone buying a package twice to ensure they get enough? should the token amount be congruent with the cost of the set themselves (the lower packages have a short, so ofc you buy the package up)

aaah okay yes that makes more sense hehe

i can't remember how it was before, i tried looking for a mcm thread but cant find anything on this site ever lol.. didn't the mcm sets start at 6eu as well?

hmmm isn't the first package there for the single items one can buy with tokens? and then the 6eu package the first package you can buy a set with? because 2 tokens is enough to buy some sets with right or am i tripping

It started at the 2euro!
yes, iirc there isn't even always that 1 token item

ad0xa
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ad0xa wrote:

Solar wrote:

Olympus wrote:

Solar wrote:
wouldn't going from 5 tokens to 9 tokens be kind of a big jump?

Is it? you'd have to let me know
I put it that way for the hypothetical, but also, for the real life price, i think you should be able to get the 7 token set and have something left over with it (as in, you should be able to maybe get two items with it)

hmm.. i think it's hard to say what one 'should' be able to get or not w the 12eu package because it's not really comparable with the way it worked in MCM
like in theory someone who buys the 12eu package can still get the same amount of sets as they did before when we still had mcm, or do what you say (buy a set and maybe get an item or two), or save up their tokens so they can buy a more expensive set but then its only that one set
so i think saying you should be able to buy a token set you really want with that amount of money kind of goes against why the token system was implemented in the first place, because vp needs more money to stay afloat

"because vp needs more money to stay afloat "

Does anyone know how much VP needs ? How much it costs ect? Is that open knowledge or is it something the owner is keeping hidden?

If it's a matter of keeping VP afloat maybe a honest "this is how much it costs" would make people buy more? If the value here is keeping VP open and it's not actually about pixel clothes.

Olympus
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Olympus wrote:

ad0xa wrote:

Solar wrote:

Olympus wrote:
Is it? you'd have to let me know
I put it that way for the hypothetical, but also, for the real life price, i think you should be able to get the 7 token set and have something left over with it (as in, you should be able to maybe get two items with it)

hmm.. i think it's hard to say what one 'should' be able to get or not w the 12eu package because it's not really comparable with the way it worked in MCM
like in theory someone who buys the 12eu package can still get the same amount of sets as they did before when we still had mcm, or do what you say (buy a set and maybe get an item or two), or save up their tokens so they can buy a more expensive set but then its only that one set
so i think saying you should be able to buy a token set you really want with that amount of money kind of goes against why the token system was implemented in the first place, because vp needs more money to stay afloat

"because vp needs more money to stay afloat "

Does anyone know how much VP needs ? How much it costs ect? Is that open knowledge or is it something the owner is keeping hidden?

If it's a matter of keeping VP afloat maybe a honest "this is how much it costs" would make people buy more? If the value here is keeping VP open and it's not actually about pixel clothes.

its like 1100 euros a month, theres a progress bar on the hall of fame page that says it

talent
Queen of Queens

talent wrote:

ad0xa wrote:

Solar wrote:

Olympus wrote:
Is it? you'd have to let me know
I put it that way for the hypothetical, but also, for the real life price, i think you should be able to get the 7 token set and have something left over with it (as in, you should be able to maybe get two items with it)

hmm.. i think it's hard to say what one 'should' be able to get or not w the 12eu package because it's not really comparable with the way it worked in MCM
like in theory someone who buys the 12eu package can still get the same amount of sets as they did before when we still had mcm, or do what you say (buy a set and maybe get an item or two), or save up their tokens so they can buy a more expensive set but then its only that one set
so i think saying you should be able to buy a token set you really want with that amount of money kind of goes against why the token system was implemented in the first place, because vp needs more money to stay afloat

"because vp needs more money to stay afloat "

Does anyone know how much VP needs ? How much it costs ect? Is that open knowledge or is it something the owner is keeping hidden?

If it's a matter of keeping VP afloat maybe a honest "this is how much it costs" would make people buy more? If the value here is keeping VP open and it's not actually about pixel clothes.

en.virtualpopstar.com/home/statistics

heres the tracker, not sure if its updated automatically or etjen updates it, id guess the former?

Solar
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Solar wrote:

Olympus wrote:

Solar wrote:

Olympus wrote:
i don't think so. I believe you guarantee money, when your target audience can buy the product! one of the main concerns before tokens were a fully fleshed out idea, was that you (or people who cannot justify the price) cannot get the set you genuinely want because of where it's placed in MCM and tokens was supposed to address that...but the price still feels like a barrier for some. I guess my concern is what if the thing stopping some people from buying at all is just a few more tokens

I think it can be balanced out and the goal will be achieved more efficiently, but again i can't truly say, which is why i'm asking!

i mean, i think that's true as well!! i think it just depends on how many ppl are buying the 48 package and if that's enough to keep the site going - if it is, i don't think anyone will change the 'token balancing' because why risk it youknow...
nn i do think that tokens do already address that specific MCM issue... like it really is just a saving up thing right? with MCM it was in no way possible to buy the most expensive set if you didnt have the money to spare that month. with tokens it already is possible to save them up to buy a set you really want

but see does the concept of saving up for a theoretical future set you MIGHT end up wanting make sense?
the 7 token sets in the shop right now, i would guaranteed buy if the price made more sense, if i only needed to spend 7-9 euros(10-14 dollars my currency) to get the one set i want, i would do that immediately.

not seeing anything i want to buy, doesn't entice me personally, to want to just buy a package anyway so i can save up for a possible really good set. to me, when money in this economy is so precious everything needs to make sense

and i guess that actually leans into my other thread asking for another tokens only package. the price also is what it is because it's linked with the credits everyone is allegedly already having a hard time spending.

would it be accessible to permanently have 2 packages that are tokens only? or in the middle or end of the month have a token only package that pops up?

i mean to me it does

i also buy the 48eu package to save up for future sets, not to buy everything right now
n i really do get what you're saying!! lowk i think this might be an issue with having a server that is international, real money packages will be more expensive for some users because there's no way to balance it properly when trying to account for every conversion rate

& that is completely fine, but also a personal choice, right? because i do believe that was also the intention of the token system introduction, to be able to save them up and spend them another time (which was impossible with MCM)

a token only package hmmm... i do think credits are still very much spendable like i could empty my savings rn if i wanted to hh
for me it feels like there's a lot of ppl who don't have that many cr at all, like i try selling token sets sometimes but ppl mostly bid like 1k cr and when a set is 7 tokens i'd want more for it than that
but ig that that doesn't really matter tooo much for a token only package, they did have one to celebrate the token system made official, maybe that was a trial that didn't go so well? idk we can only guess ...

Solar
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Solar wrote:

Olympus wrote:

Solar wrote:

Olympus wrote:
No, i don't think the packages need an overage, they just need to be balanced! you wouldn't necessarily get 20 extra tokens in that package

i think there shouldn't be as much going on with the 96 package, i'm not sure if people buy it of course, but i assume to make the amount of tokens in it make sense, it needs to have the most, which means by the time you get to the first package, it has the least, but if that's all you can get for the month, you're saving until a singular item you like hits the store. where as sets can start at 2 euros. you should be able to get that set with that first package at LEAST.

is anyone buying a package twice to ensure they get enough? should the token amount be congruent with the cost of the set themselves (the lower packages have a short, so ofc you buy the package up)

aaah okay yes that makes more sense hehe

i can't remember how it was before, i tried looking for a mcm thread but cant find anything on this site ever lol.. didn't the mcm sets start at 6eu as well?

hmmm isn't the first package there for the single items one can buy with tokens? and then the 6eu package the first package you can buy a set with? because 2 tokens is enough to buy some sets with right or am i tripping

It started at the 2euro!
yes, iirc there isn't even always that 1 token item

i do agree that at least one thing should be buyable every month even if you 'just' buy the 2eu package !!

ad0xa
World Famous

ad0xa wrote:

Olympus wrote:

ad0xa wrote:

Solar wrote:
hmm.. i think it's hard to say what one 'should' be able to get or not w the 12eu package because it's not really comparable with the way it worked in MCM
like in theory someone who buys the 12eu package can still get the same amount of sets as they did before when we still had mcm, or do what you say (buy a set and maybe get an item or two), or save up their tokens so they can buy a more expensive set but then its only that one set
so i think saying you should be able to buy a token set you really want with that amount of money kind of goes against why the token system was implemented in the first place, because vp needs more money to stay afloat

"because vp needs more money to stay afloat "

Does anyone know how much VP needs ? How much it costs ect? Is that open knowledge or is it something the owner is keeping hidden?

If it's a matter of keeping VP afloat maybe a honest "this is how much it costs" would make people buy more? If the value here is keeping VP open and it's not actually about pixel clothes.

its like 1100 euros a month, theres a progress bar on the hall of fame page that says it

Ahh that's nice! I always felt like gsm 1.0 was just taking advantage of people when the "membership" fee came. XD
But if it's shown like this I feel like it's giving more trust!

Solar
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Solar wrote:

ad0xa wrote:

Solar wrote:

Olympus wrote:
Is it? you'd have to let me know
I put it that way for the hypothetical, but also, for the real life price, i think you should be able to get the 7 token set and have something left over with it (as in, you should be able to maybe get two items with it)

hmm.. i think it's hard to say what one 'should' be able to get or not w the 12eu package because it's not really comparable with the way it worked in MCM
like in theory someone who buys the 12eu package can still get the same amount of sets as they did before when we still had mcm, or do what you say (buy a set and maybe get an item or two), or save up their tokens so they can buy a more expensive set but then its only that one set
so i think saying you should be able to buy a token set you really want with that amount of money kind of goes against why the token system was implemented in the first place, because vp needs more money to stay afloat

"because vp needs more money to stay afloat "

Does anyone know how much VP needs ? How much it costs ect? Is that open knowledge or is it something the owner is keeping hidden?

If it's a matter of keeping VP afloat maybe a honest "this is how much it costs" would make people buy more? If the value here is keeping VP open and it's not actually about pixel clothes.

yes!! others have provided the info w u already but i just wanted to say that keeping vp open is a big motivation for me to spend money on it every month as well (:

talent
Queen of Queens

talent wrote:

Solar wrote:

Olympus wrote:

Solar wrote:

aaah okay yes that makes more sense hehe

i can't remember how it was before, i tried looking for a mcm thread but cant find anything on this site ever lol.. didn't the mcm sets start at 6eu as well?

hmmm isn't the first package there for the single items one can buy with tokens? and then the 6eu package the first package you can buy a set with? because 2 tokens is enough to buy some sets with right or am i tripping

It started at the 2euro!
yes, iirc there isn't even always that 1 token item

i do agree that at least one thing should be buyable every month even if you 'just' buy the 2eu package !!

its really based on what we've got available

we try to fill it but sadly as we lose members that also means designers