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Felicity wrote:

ad0xa wrote:

Josten wrote:
A message from Solitude abt the release of the document:
The mods nor ShadowJess has asked any of us who have made the document whether we was okay with it being released. There are reasons why we never released it to the public in the first place. It was meant to be something we could show to Kim to make her understand, not used as something so you guys can defend yourself in the public. I think it's distasteful that you do this without asking any of us (as far as I'm concerned). Next time don't make it all about you when there were people spending many days and hours on putting together this document. - Solitude

You can't really comment on peoples behavior and then get angry when they respond tho.... they have the right to defend themselves as much as anyone else?

Sorry solitude but this is a load of rubbish
I doubt that it was written just for kim, who is barely involved in VP, to read

Why do you think they made the document private then after Jess shared it?
Not for fun, I can tell you

Sinister
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sinister wrote:

Felicity wrote:

ad0xa wrote:

Josten wrote:
A message from Solitude abt the release of the document:
The mods nor ShadowJess has asked any of us who have made the document whether we was okay with it being released. There are reasons why we never released it to the public in the first place. It was meant to be something we could show to Kim to make her understand, not used as something so you guys can defend yourself in the public. I think it's distasteful that you do this without asking any of us (as far as I'm concerned). Next time don't make it all about you when there were people spending many days and hours on putting together this document. - Solitude

You can't really comment on peoples behavior and then get angry when they respond tho.... they have the right to defend themselves as much as anyone else?

Sorry solitude but this is a load of rubbish
I doubt that it was written just for kim, who is barely involved in VP, to read

it was definitely only meant for kim. even when referencing the document before she got banned solitude didn't want anyone else to see the document because it really wasn't meant for anyone to see. just kim and shadowjess(i think)

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Horcrux wrote:

Wilson wrote:

Hypoxic wrote:
@Krystle
thought I'd reply quickly but when I get a chance to write it out I'll cover your questions better.
In regards to Ali, yes I openly admit to putting friendship first in the moment. Based off of the fiasco that occurred around Legohouse's account (which I think was either one or two days prior). What that defence was based off of was an account linked to Ali's. Which someone on the first page has the screenshot of when Ali claimed to have been hacked. After that however I began to keep a closer eye and then came the second time she was linked to a leaker account which was when I confronted her. (Sabrina also provided proof of another connection on the day I confronted her as I didn't have it screenshotted).

As for Eli, I didn't allow her on the mod account. She came to me telling me that she'd accessed it and felt kinda bad or said something along the lines of "I know I shouldn't of". I said sonwthing like it's okay did you do anything on it? And don't reaccess it. That same day the account details were changed and she wasn't allowed back on. So no one let her use it, she did so behind our backs and then came forward to me about using it. At that point I also let the others know.

(as for your bracketed part I'll hopefully make sense of things when I can type it all out for you all but hope that helps for now)

@Claire
im not entirely sure how you get the impression I'm too overwhelmed or emotional for this role. If you are basing it off of my current situation i can happily explain why my dads health is currently consuming a lot of my time (& considering my final exams are in two weeks as well).

first of all, you may have forgotten to answer this part,
"How am I to feel safe on this site because if a mod can stick up for her friend without looking into the situation she could also ban someone without a good reason due to personal dislike."

Secondly, shouldn't you apologize for being biased, I feel like I need to see some commitment to be able to move past this since I get the feeling like you don't take it especially serious. This is literally what the community complains about.

@Hypoxic

I feel like I did answer it by explaining that I did infact look into the situation. Unfortunately we don't have access to a lot of functions that would make determining between a leaker & being hacked all that easy especially when the person explicitly claims to have been hacked after the account was placed on ban. However not long after that the truth was confirmed. So I apologise for not banning her outright I suppose. But I haven't banned anyone out of "personal dislike". That's why there is a team.

Say i banned you. Any one of the mods can undo that ban. So I would gain nothing. Banishment of a player is something that requires a vote within the team. If any one of us "went rogue" the rest of the team has the ability to amend the situation by simply undoing their actions which would of course lead to removal of the team because banning people just based on simple dislike would be an abuse of power

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Horcrux wrote:

Deimos wrote:

Felicity wrote:

ad0xa wrote:
You can't really comment on peoples behavior and then get angry when they respond tho.... they have the right to defend themselves as much as anyone else?

Sorry solitude but this is a load of rubbish
I doubt that it was written just for kim, who is barely involved in VP, to read

it was definitely only meant for kim. even when referencing the document before she got banned solitude didn't want anyone else to see the document because it really wasn't meant for anyone to see. just kim and shadowjess(i think)

I'm not entirely sure who it was meant for. However I do know other users saw it before Jess.

Callum
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callum wrote:

Hypoxic wrote:

Deimos wrote:

Felicity wrote:
Sorry solitude but this is a load of rubbish
I doubt that it was written just for kim, who is barely involved in VP, to read

it was definitely only meant for kim. even when referencing the document before she got banned solitude didn't want anyone else to see the document because it really wasn't meant for anyone to see. just kim and shadowjess(i think)

I'm not entirely sure who it was meant for. However I do know other users saw it before Jess.

yeah the ppl who wrote it

Sinister
Streetmusician

sinister wrote:

Hypoxic wrote:

Deimos wrote:

Felicity wrote:
Sorry solitude but this is a load of rubbish
I doubt that it was written just for kim, who is barely involved in VP, to read

it was definitely only meant for kim. even when referencing the document before she got banned solitude didn't want anyone else to see the document because it really wasn't meant for anyone to see. just kim and shadowjess(i think)

I'm not entirely sure who it was meant for. However I do know other users saw it before Jess.

Really? Then who else saw it, besides the people who contributed?

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heathens wrote:

Felicity wrote:

ad0xa wrote:
You can't really comment on peoples behavior and then get angry when they respond tho.... they have the right to defend themselves as much as anyone else?

Sorry solitude but this is a load of rubbish
I doubt that it was written just for kim, who is barely involved in VP, to read

.. .... . . then why did they work it on it to send it to kim to make a change
how is she barely involved in vp she's the owner

Really? Kim only logs on to add credit sets and isn't involved with the community at all
sending it to shadowjess (which I now know they did) makes more sense at least

Callum
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callum wrote:

Felicity wrote:

heathens wrote:

Felicity wrote:
Sorry solitude but this is a load of rubbish
I doubt that it was written just for kim, who is barely involved in VP, to read

.. .... . . then why did they work it on it to send it to kim to make a change
how is she barely involved in vp she's the owner

Really? Kim only logs on to add credit sets and isn't involved with the community at all
sending it to shadowjess (which I now know they did) makes more sense at least

thats kims fault for not being ''the best '' owner, not solitude

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Obliviate wrote:

RoloLolo wrote:

Obliviate wrote:
I'm sorry but this is an completly outrageous comment to come from a moderator. If this is what you think, then in my opinion you aren't appropriate to be a moderator. I can't seriously believe this can come from a current mod..

"One mod in particular was very mean, Chandelier, who wanted to be a child psychologist asked if she would be bad at her dream job because she couldn't handle a person like Tarrantthightop coming in. She would hand her off to someone else. Yes you'd be bad at your job if you turned away someone who is looking for help because you don't think their problems matter."

Uhhh, DOCTORS do it pretty frequently, does that mean they're "bad" at their jobs too? Lol
I think not.

Sorry, couldn't resist since that comparison/logic made no sense.

So doctors hand their patients off to another doctor when they don't feel like facing them?
And rather because moderators are supposed to be role models to the community.
Do you find that behaviour appropriate?

Believe it or not, Sabrina does care about tarrant. She has on more than one occasion brought up how she was concerned for her well being and wanted to help her.
And yes, some doctors do that. Sometimes there is only so much you can do for someone before you need a different perspective. I'm going to be a psychiatrist, and I'm not afraid to admit that there will probably be patients I can't handle or feel someone else would be better suited to help them.

Sinister
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sinister wrote:

Deimos wrote:

Hypoxic wrote:

Deimos wrote:
it was definitely only meant for kim. even when referencing the document before she got banned solitude didn't want anyone else to see the document because it really wasn't meant for anyone to see. just kim and shadowjess(i think)

I'm not entirely sure who it was meant for. However I do know other users saw it before Jess.

Really? Then who else saw it, besides the people who contributed?

And if other people did see it, why does it matter? It's not like it was being spread around or written like a burn book, which is apparently why she got banned in the first place. And this information is more or less common knowledge that anyone could've found out simply by asking the right people. So i'm not sure what rules this document broke.

Sinister
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sinister wrote:

Felicity wrote:

heathens wrote:

Felicity wrote:
Sorry solitude but this is a load of rubbish
I doubt that it was written just for kim, who is barely involved in VP, to read

.. .... . . then why did they work it on it to send it to kim to make a change
how is she barely involved in vp she's the owner

Really? Kim only logs on to add credit sets and isn't involved with the community at all
sending it to shadowjess (which I now know they did) makes more sense at least

yeah but she's still the owner of the site and pretty much has the final say on things. you can't complain about the mods to the mods, there needs to be a third party/mediator involved

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Horcrux wrote:

Deimos wrote:

Hypoxic wrote:
I'm not entirely sure who it was meant for. However I do know other users saw it before Jess.

Really? Then who else saw it, besides the people who contributed?

And if other people did see it, why does it matter? It's not like it was being spread around or written like a burn book, which is apparently why she got banned in the first place. And this information is more or less common knowledge that anyone could've found out simply by asking the right people. So i'm not sure what rules this document broke.

@Hypoxic

In regards to your first question, i don't know. However just from reading in prior forums it's rather clear more than just Kim had access to it. And since I don't know everyone involved I am unaware of who wrote it and who simply viewed it. As regards to Solitudes banishment she was released from her last one on special grounds that were agreed upon with Kim and she herself knew that what she was doing risked her being banned. She did say so herself in her forum where references to the document were made. Another user who chose to do a similar thing received the same form of punishment.

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heathens wrote:

Felicity wrote:

heathens wrote:
.. .... . . then why did they work it on it to send it to kim to make a change
how is she barely involved in vp she's the owner

Really? Kim only logs on to add credit sets and isn't involved with the community at all
sending it to shadowjess (which I now know they did) makes more sense at least

thats kims fault for not being ''the best '' owner, not solitude

I'm not saying it's solitudes fault, I just feel like since others have read it (or parts of it I'm sure) then it's a bit weird to act like it was meant to be private, but oh well, agree to disagree on that I guess :/
And I don't agree with her ban either, especially since she isn't as bad as she used to be
And I think this wouldnt be such a huge mess if she didn't get banned

Callum
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callum wrote:

Hypoxic wrote:

Deimos wrote:

Deimos wrote:
Really? Then who else saw it, besides the people who contributed?

And if other people did see it, why does it matter? It's not like it was being spread around or written like a burn book, which is apparently why she got banned in the first place. And this information is more or less common knowledge that anyone could've found out simply by asking the right people. So i'm not sure what rules this document broke.

@Hypoxic

In regards to your first question, i don't know. However just from reading in prior forums it's rather clear more than just Kim had access to it. And since I don't know everyone involved I am unaware of who wrote it and who simply viewed it. As regards to Solitudes banishment she was released from her last one on special grounds that were agreed upon with Kim and she herself knew that what she was doing risked her being banned. She did say so herself in her forum where references to the document were made. Another user who chose to do a similar thing received the same form of punishment.

you don't know for sure

you banned solitude for USER FEEDBACK, i dont care if jeff or susan have access to that document, you banned her for feedback negative or not, bottom line cut and dry

you banned her for ''sharing'' (even though she didnt) it yet jess just posted it in this forum

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Chandelier wrote:

Krystle wrote:
Even after seeing the document some of the information on this thread by the mods was irrelevant and some issues/ the real issues were not even addressed. (some of the things might have been talked about but because there was so much to read I could've forgotten after reading it. In such a case I apologize)
There was a lot on that document and I read it all but then closed it on my phone thinking I'd open it later on my laptop but I can't do that now due to permission needed so I don't remember everything I wanted to say.
But anyways..

@Chandelier @legohouse (I always confuse you with savage but I assume you're the older mod while savage is newer)
1. Biased - You let shadowjess get away with sharing accounts while other users receive warnings and time-outs for the same.
(I'm not blindly going by what was said in the document, I personally remember seeing them post a few times on the forums that they would claim a code or have claimed it for Draizor and if I remember correctly about buying shop updates on that account too)
Update: proof from heathens

2. I don't remember whether this was mentioned in the document or not but since this is a general discussion might as well bring this up. When the mod bootcamp was announced and people questioned why Tezzica got the badge before the others someone mentioned how you guys would ask her for help with mod issues even when she was not a mod. Why are you still a mod if you're not capable of solving problems and need others (non-mods) to help you out?

As I said before there was a lot more that I can't remember and this post is already too long so I'l end it here. Hoping to get some answers from you guys.

I took out the picture and what was addressed to Hypoxic, but it is still in the original post. This was just a long message.

1. Claire and Jess are a couple and they live together. Jess and other users that live together (such as those with siblings on VP) often explain and ask permission ahead of time since they know their IP will show a connection. Users who get warnings or TO for it haven't asked. I don't know how the other mods perceive it, but II perceive the TO as a way to protect their account from being accessed further. There's been cases where people gave out their password and had their accounts abused, one case even to the detriment to this person's safety where their father had to contact the admins out of concern for them.
2. Tess was a mod on VP long before I even made it to the site. I asked for help because I know that there can be glitches within our IP system and I wanted more information about how to approach it. Both she and her fiance have more experience running sites than I have or ever hope to have. I also consider her more of a mentor since I did not have that coming into being a mod myself and it helps to have a more experienced perspective.