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Elissabeth
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Elissabeth wrote:

Waifu wrote:
I'm honestly ready to quit like tomorrow or something

u will b missed now gimme ur wardrobe

Elissabeth
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Elissabeth wrote:

KattenSusi wrote:

Elissabeth wrote:

Prologue wrote:
can't they just throw in something like ''pixled nipples may appear on some female skins'' in the terms of use that ur required 2 read before creating an account, problem solved

nd there's nothing sexual about nipples besides they're pixled

if nipples were sexual content (they're not, but say they were) then having a warning appear that kids would have to agree with, would not help because you'd still be guilty. since they're kids. if you expose kids to sexual content you can get in trouble, whether they agree with it, ask for it, beg for it or w/e. they're not considered capable of making such decisions themselves so us adults have got to protect them.

again, nipples aren't sexual content in the Netherlands so it doesn't matter either way, but a warning like that would not help if there was sexual content on vp

That made me think of pornsites, if a little cinnamon bun finds one of those are they gonna get sued too? like after what i now those sites have no 'warnings'

no because those websites are 18+

Private
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Subterra wrote:

KattenSusi wrote:

Elissabeth wrote:

Prologue wrote:
can't they just throw in something like ''pixled nipples may appear on some female skins'' in the terms of use that ur required 2 read before creating an account, problem solved

nd there's nothing sexual about nipples besides they're pixled

if nipples were sexual content (they're not, but say they were) then having a warning appear that kids would have to agree with, would not help because you'd still be guilty. since they're kids. if you expose kids to sexual content you can get in trouble, whether they agree with it, ask for it, beg for it or w/e. they're not considered capable of making such decisions themselves so us adults have got to protect them.

again, nipples aren't sexual content in the Netherlands so it doesn't matter either way, but a warning like that would not help if there was sexual content on vp

That made me think of pornsites, if a little cinnamon bun finds one of those are they gonna get sued too? like after what i now those sites have no 'warnings'

I heard some of them actually have warnings, I remember an website called Best Gore showing gore videos and things like that and they actually had to warn members for their content because otherwise they could get sued.

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Subterra wrote:

KattenSusi wrote:

Elissabeth wrote:
if nipples were sexual content (they're not, but say they were) then having a warning appear that kids would have to agree with, would not help because you'd still be guilty. since they're kids. if you expose kids to sexual content you can get in trouble, whether they agree with it, ask for it, beg for it or w/e. they're not considered capable of making such decisions themselves so us adults have got to protect them.

again, nipples aren't sexual content in the Netherlands so it doesn't matter either way, but a warning like that would not help if there was sexual content on vp

That made me think of pornsites, if a little cinnamon bun finds one of those are they gonna get sued too? like after what i now those sites have no 'warnings'

I heard some of them actually have warnings, I remember an website called Best Gore showing gore videos and things like that and they actually had to warn members for their content because otherwise they could get sued.

Ah okay

Nabiku
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nabiku wrote:
Hahahahha not kidding, I´m so fucking Close to delteing my female avi and just go all in on my male instead. I've been thinking abt it for a while, so I'll problaly do that sooner or later.

fuck u VP btw

EllieAyla
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EllieAyla wrote:

Revo wrote:
I blame the dutch designers. Heard that they are planning on going afer harnesses next as they can be seen as bondage stuff.

We are now trying to actually fix this issue. A lot of us (the Dutch designers and a few mods) do think that we need to raise the audience target, so there is no need to censor stuff to avoid law issues (because some parents see nipples on a child website as a way of childporn, that's also why I was against it myself). Keep in mind that this is all happening because of the target audience, aka, kids. Because truth being told, a few us want to design nipples or gore or stuff like that.

I made a thread about that idea, so if you guys actually support this idea, please do response on that thread. I'm sure that we can fix this issue, if we just create awareness about this idea.
en.virtualpopstar.com/social/forum?category=9&topic=127417&p=0

Elissabeth
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Elissabeth wrote:

EllieAyla wrote:

Revo wrote:
I blame the dutch designers. Heard that they are planning on going afer harnesses next as they can be seen as bondage stuff.

We are now trying to actually fix this issue. A lot of us (the Dutch designers and a few mods) do think that we need to raise the audience target, so there is no need to censor stuff to avoid law issues (because some parents see nipples on a child website as a way of childporn, that's also why I was against it myself). Keep in mind that this is all happening because of the target audience, aka, kids. Because truth being told, a few us want to design nipples or gore or stuff like that.

I made a thread about that idea, so if you guys actually support this idea, please do response on that thread. I'm sure that we can fix this issue, if we just create awareness about this idea.
en.virtualpopstar.com/social/forum?category=9&topic=127417&p=0

okay child porn is porn that actually involves children. so any porn that is posted on a children's website, would just be porn. not child porn. Jsyk.

Also just because they see it as something, doesn't mean it is porn. so you could not legally get in trouble for it, so no law issues there.

so maybe u should actually get some knowledge on this thing that ur fighting for. it's cool to be passionate about something and try to achieve that, but literally u seem to have no idea what ur even on about

EllieAyla
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EllieAyla wrote:

Elissabeth wrote:

EllieAyla wrote:

Revo wrote:
I blame the dutch designers. Heard that they are planning on going afer harnesses next as they can be seen as bondage stuff.

We are now trying to actually fix this issue. A lot of us (the Dutch designers and a few mods) do think that we need to raise the audience target, so there is no need to censor stuff to avoid law issues (because some parents see nipples on a child website as a way of childporn, that's also why I was against it myself). Keep in mind that this is all happening because of the target audience, aka, kids. Because truth being told, a few us want to design nipples or gore or stuff like that.

I made a thread about that idea, so if you guys actually support this idea, please do response on that thread. I'm sure that we can fix this issue, if we just create awareness about this idea.
en.virtualpopstar.com/social/forum?category=9&topic=127417&p=0

okay child porn is porn that actually involves children. so any porn that is posted on a children's website, would just be porn. not child porn. Jsyk.

Also just because they see it as something, doesn't mean it is porn. so you could not legally get in trouble for it, so no law issues there.

so maybe u should actually get some knowledge on this thing that ur fighting for. it's cool to be passionate about something and try to achieve that, but literally u seem to have no idea what ur even on about

I never, EVER, claimed that I agree with that statement nor did I ever call it child porn. I only said that some parents SEE(!) it as child porn, and that's why I am against the nipples on the current audience. It's not because I think that it's child porn, it's because there are idiots who think that it is. And THEY will try to sue VP without knowledge.

Elissabeth
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Elissabeth wrote:

EllieAyla wrote:

Elissabeth wrote:

EllieAyla wrote:
We are now trying to actually fix this issue. A lot of us (the Dutch designers and a few mods) do think that we need to raise the audience target, so there is no need to censor stuff to avoid law issues (because some parents see nipples on a child website as a way of childporn, that's also why I was against it myself). Keep in mind that this is all happening because of the target audience, aka, kids. Because truth being told, a few us want to design nipples or gore or stuff like that.

I made a thread about that idea, so if you guys actually support this idea, please do response on that thread. I'm sure that we can fix this issue, if we just create awareness about this idea.
en.virtualpopstar.com/social/forum?category=9&topic=127417&p=0

okay child porn is porn that actually involves children. so any porn that is posted on a children's website, would just be porn. not child porn. Jsyk.

Also just because they see it as something, doesn't mean it is porn. so you could not legally get in trouble for it, so no law issues there.

so maybe u should actually get some knowledge on this thing that ur fighting for. it's cool to be passionate about something and try to achieve that, but literally u seem to have no idea what ur even on about

I never, EVER, claimed that I agree with that statement nor did I ever call it child porn. I only said that some parents SEE(!) it as child porn, and that's why I am against the nipples on the current audience. It's not because I think that it's child porn, it's because there are idiots who think that it is. And THEY will try to sue VP without knowledge.

i mean did u do a questionnaire with vp parents to see how they feel about it? and did some of them call it child porn? because i feel like these are assumptions and somebody has just come up with the idea that parents would see it as child porn. which it is not and could never be, because child porn involves children.

Kerosene
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kerosene wrote:
miranda u need to stop

EllieAyla
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EllieAyla wrote:

Elissabeth wrote:

EllieAyla wrote:

Elissabeth wrote:
okay child porn is porn that actually involves children. so any porn that is posted on a children's website, would just be porn. not child porn. Jsyk.

Also just because they see it as something, doesn't mean it is porn. so you could not legally get in trouble for it, so no law issues there.

so maybe u should actually get some knowledge on this thing that ur fighting for. it's cool to be passionate about something and try to achieve that, but literally u seem to have no idea what ur even on about

I never, EVER, claimed that I agree with that statement nor did I ever call it child porn. I only said that some parents SEE(!) it as child porn, and that's why I am against the nipples on the current audience. It's not because I think that it's child porn, it's because there are idiots who think that it is. And THEY will try to sue VP without knowledge.

i mean did u do a questionnaire with vp parents to see how they feel about it? and did some of them call it child porn? because i feel like these are assumptions and somebody has just come up with the idea that parents would see it as child porn. which it is not and could never be, because child porn involves children.

I've seen it happen around me? There was a website with some nudity and and a mother's child was on it. Her response? 'WHY ARE YOU WATCHING CHILD PORN?' while it had nothing to do with child porn. Some people are idiots and people do not think. It might surprise you how little people actually know what child porn legit means.

And as a little edit:
People try to sue stuff for the dumbest reasons. "It doesn't say that I can't throw my cat in the washing machine.. so I did.. and it died. It should've warned me" that was a legit law case. If VP becomes bigger and the rules do not change, people WILL try to sue VP for nipples on a child forum.

Revo
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Revo wrote:

EllieAyla wrote:

Revo wrote:
I blame the dutch designers. Heard that they are planning on going afer harnesses next as they can be seen as bondage stuff.

We are now trying to actually fix this issue. A lot of us (the Dutch designers and a few mods) do think that we need to raise the audience target, so there is no need to censor stuff to avoid law issues (because some parents see nipples on a child website as a way of childporn, that's also why I was against it myself). Keep in mind that this is all happening because of the target audience, aka, kids. Because truth being told, a few us want to design nipples or gore or stuff like that.

I made a thread about that idea, so if you guys actually support this idea, please do response on that thread. I'm sure that we can fix this issue, if we just create awareness about this idea.
en.virtualpopstar.com/social/forum?category=9&topic=127417&p=0

Maybe you should make a detailed plan or something. I have no idea what the current target audience is or what you want the target audience to be? I also have no idea what will happen to the site if I support this idea. Will the layout change? Are we going to be able to discuss certain stuff before 23:00? Is harsher language suddenly ok? Will the focus of the site change? ect. I'm sure I'm missing far more important questions. But yeah I'd like to know exactly what would be changing before I show support for mayor changes like this.

Private
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Boobs wrote:

Waifu wrote:
I'm honestly ready to quit like tomorrow or something

EllieAyla
Karaoke Star

EllieAyla wrote:

Revo wrote:

EllieAyla wrote:

Revo wrote:
I blame the dutch designers. Heard that they are planning on going afer harnesses next as they can be seen as bondage stuff.

We are now trying to actually fix this issue. A lot of us (the Dutch designers and a few mods) do think that we need to raise the audience target, so there is no need to censor stuff to avoid law issues (because some parents see nipples on a child website as a way of childporn, that's also why I was against it myself). Keep in mind that this is all happening because of the target audience, aka, kids. Because truth being told, a few us want to design nipples or gore or stuff like that.

I made a thread about that idea, so if you guys actually support this idea, please do response on that thread. I'm sure that we can fix this issue, if we just create awareness about this idea.
en.virtualpopstar.com/social/forum?category=9&topic=127417&p=0

Maybe you should make a detailed plan or something. I have no idea what the current target audience is or what you want the target audience to be? I also have no idea what will happen to the site if I support this idea. Will the layout change? Are we going to be able to discuss certain stuff before 23:00? Is harsher language suddenly ok? Will the focus of the site change? ect. I'm sure I'm missing far more important questions. But yeah I'd like to know exactly what would be changing before I show support for mayor changes like this.

In my head, nothing much will change. The current audience right now seems to be aimed around the 10/12 years old. These are not facts by the way, but by seeing the rules and how it first started, it seems like a solid claim. My idea is to raise it up to 16, which is an age where teenagers become more mature and start to think a bit more logical. This is also because 80% (again, claims, not facts) is around 16 or higher.

The layout does not have to change, because I think that it's fine. I would say that harsher language is fine, however, there's still a limit. Swearing with stuff that can trigger, think about diseases, should still be a no-go. The sexual/alcohol/weed talk around 23:00 .. is something I'm not sure off. I would suggest making a new forum section, for the mature talk. Before you hop onto it, you'll get a disclaimer to warn off the younger kids. Do they proceed then it's at their own risk. This way, people can avoid it if they do not care about it and have the younger people warned. This also gives VP a safety blanket.

The team members who are below the 16 will keep their function and younger people can still join teams. It's a target audience, not a "You have to be 16+ to join". I hope that this is a bit more clear?

Revo
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Revo wrote:

EllieAyla wrote:

Revo wrote:

EllieAyla wrote:
We are now trying to actually fix this issue. A lot of us (the Dutch designers and a few mods) do think that we need to raise the audience target, so there is no need to censor stuff to avoid law issues (because some parents see nipples on a child website as a way of childporn, that's also why I was against it myself). Keep in mind that this is all happening because of the target audience, aka, kids. Because truth being told, a few us want to design nipples or gore or stuff like that.

I made a thread about that idea, so if you guys actually support this idea, please do response on that thread. I'm sure that we can fix this issue, if we just create awareness about this idea.
en.virtualpopstar.com/social/forum?category=9&topic=127417&p=0

Maybe you should make a detailed plan or something. I have no idea what the current target audience is or what you want the target audience to be? I also have no idea what will happen to the site if I support this idea. Will the layout change? Are we going to be able to discuss certain stuff before 23:00? Is harsher language suddenly ok? Will the focus of the site change? ect. I'm sure I'm missing far more important questions. But yeah I'd like to know exactly what would be changing before I show support for mayor changes like this.

In my head, nothing much will change. The current audience right now seems to be aimed around the 10/12 years old. These are not facts by the way, but by seeing the rules and how it first started, it seems like a solid claim. My idea is to raise it up to 16, which is an age where teenagers become more mature and start to think a bit more logical. This is also because 80% (again, claims, not facts) is around 16 or higher.

The layout does not have to change, because I think that it's fine. I would say that harsher language is fine, however, there's still a limit. Swearing with stuff that can trigger, think about diseases, should still be a no-go. The sexual/alcohol/weed talk around 23:00 .. is something I'm not sure off. I would suggest making a new forum section, for the mature talk. Before you hop onto it, you'll get a disclaimer to warn off the younger kids. Do they proceed then it's at their own risk. This way, people can avoid it if they do not care about it and have the younger people warned. This also gives VP a safety blanket.

The team members who are below the 16 will keep their function and younger people can still join teams. It's a target audience, not a "You have to be 16+ to join". I hope that this is a bit more clear?

Thanks for explaining. I agree with everything you said, I would support this.

Kind of shocked the target audience is 10/12. I know it's controversial to say but I don't think they should even be on social media (including VP here because the forum is a main thing here). But that's just me.