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Cedence wrote:

bubbly wrote:
unless the richest people n corporations in the world are trying to change we're all screwed anyway
i'm prepared 4 the earth 2 die and i'm not worrying since well i'm not the one in charge

True, but I'm worrying because they don't want to change as long as they can profit, and it - surprisingly - cost too much to make changes that may make a difference. And really all consumers can do is not buying their products. #votewithyourmoney

but then again a lot of "eco" fashion or "zero" waste things are way more expensive so it's hard 2 give up stuff when ur dependent on them u know?

thought the most "zero waste" thing to do is buying second-hand or using what you already have first. like bring your own cup or cutlery, take a cup from home and some cutlery from your drawer before "investing" in something expensive zero waste tools or sustainable clothing brands that will rob you for a t-shirt -- okay. there's a lot of other going into fashion as well, like fair wages but there is a difference between 99.- for a t-shirt and 700.-. and like a lot of the sustainable things are pricey because they make small batches.

(*cringe at MANY zero waste essential hauls etc.*)

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Paramore wrote:

Cedence wrote:

Paramore wrote:
can i say something offensive like always
but why are people freaking out now? hasn't this been a thing for a long long time like i swear ive heard about climate change since 2009 but it's only last year and this year people actually suddenly seem to care

and suddenly "zero waste" is a hot thing which.... can be debated how genuine it actually is and how much of it is just painting up a picture, how many times have i actually used my metal straws? maybe 5 but appariently its a "must have"

i also feel like sometimes all the responsibility is put on us consumers when its about what you can afford and what you have access to and even then SURE you can buy this schampoo bar on etsy that says its handmade and vegan and zero waste but its going to get here on a plane

It's not offensive at all. At least not for me.
I think people are more or less freaking out now because it is given more attention in the media. I think the newfound research and documentation of plastic pollution fx. really got people to see how humans are destroying environments. There is research from the year I was born 1997 that support climate change, yet politics got out early to lobby against it, to seed a doubt so people could look away for a long time. Probably a lot of other things as well, just my most imminent thought.

I personally believe that the root of zero waste is great, but what media is doing is making it another consumer trend. I use my straws all the time, haha! Always bring them with me with a reusable cup when I'm out and about.

So true! And corporations benefit from having the responsibility put on the consumer that only can do a tiny bit.

idk its just odd to me because i feel like there has always been a threat to the climate
but its definitely like... more non-plastic or recycled plastic or eco friendly stuff are being sold by regular companies but im more convinced thats only to make money so you see a lot of more stuff like that in the store etc

yea zero waste was originally for like companies ?? i think something like that. but the term zero waste is very very misleading and it just rubs me the wrong way people bragging about how little waste they have made on the internet or in media when its not the truth. just because you have no waste at home doesnt mean you aren't actively making waste.. even if you buy with your own jar in a bulk store how you think that stuff got here? and even if you say no to a reciept doesnt mean its not still printed

a lot of brands is greenwashing their front without changing their practices, do a little bit more recycled materials so the customers will think they're purchasing more sustainable items. H&M fx, actually just got reported for it in Norway due to their recent commercial. It's rather fun.

yes, it is originally for companies! I usually go for Low Impact when talking about lifestyles but zero waste is the popular term that you will reach more people with. Noone\very few is totally zero waste in today's society - especially western and parts of asia. Our economical structure is linear so things are created to create wase as an endproduct. the base of zero waste is really to change that, to make it more cyclical so nothing ideally goes to waste. everything has a value. so much of zero waste is turning back time and looking at how people did things a few generations back. mostly people can only aim to reduce as well as they have the privileges too.

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Bloodflowers wrote:

Cedence wrote:

Paramore wrote:

Cedence wrote:
It's not offensive at all. At least not for me.
I think people are more or less freaking out now because it is given more attention in the media. I think the newfound research and documentation of plastic pollution fx. really got people to see how humans are destroying environments. There is research from the year I was born 1997 that support climate change, yet politics got out early to lobby against it, to seed a doubt so people could look away for a long time. Probably a lot of other things as well, just my most imminent thought.

I personally believe that the root of zero waste is great, but what media is doing is making it another consumer trend. I use my straws all the time, haha! Always bring them with me with a reusable cup when I'm out and about.

So true! And corporations benefit from having the responsibility put on the consumer that only can do a tiny bit.

idk its just odd to me because i feel like there has always been a threat to the climate
but its definitely like... more non-plastic or recycled plastic or eco friendly stuff are being sold by regular companies but im more convinced thats only to make money so you see a lot of more stuff like that in the store etc

yea zero waste was originally for like companies ?? i think something like that. but the term zero waste is very very misleading and it just rubs me the wrong way people bragging about how little waste they have made on the internet or in media when its not the truth. just because you have no waste at home doesnt mean you aren't actively making waste.. even if you buy with your own jar in a bulk store how you think that stuff got here? and even if you say no to a reciept doesnt mean its not still printed

a lot of brands is greenwashing their front without changing their practices, do a little bit more recycled materials so the customers will think they're purchasing more sustainable items. H&M fx, actually just got reported for it in Norway due to their recent commercial. It's rather fun.

yes, it is originally for companies! I usually go for Low Impact when talking about lifestyles but zero waste is the popular term that you will reach more people with. Noone\very few is totally zero waste in today's society - especially western and parts of asia. Our economical structure is linear so things are created to create wase as an endproduct. the base of zero waste is really to change that, to make it more cyclical so nothing ideally goes to waste. everything has a value. so much of zero waste is turning back time and looking at how people did things a few generations back. mostly people can only aim to reduce as well as they have the privileges too.

im somewhat interested in creating less waste im really into diy hygiene and thrifting and reusing and i have access to one of the biggest cities (we have a bulk store here) but even then like theres a lot of stuff that i order online that comes in a package
i just think a lot of people paint up unrealistic expectations and then posting videos like omg i fucked up i bought this banana and i didnt see this very tiny plastic sticker omg. it's not encouraging and i feel like it is like with veganism where you have to be "elite " or it's not good enough. i think people should be more cautious about what they buy but it doesnt have to be to the extreme

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contrary to popular things, there are more things you can do for the environment than you'd think.
a lot of people seem to think that climate change is what the big fuzz is about but that's not true. you know what else matters? our current nature. meaning the birds you kill because you dropped something dumb on the ground that they later saw and began to eat, only to choke on it and die. or the tree you chopped down in your backyard because it was in the way of something. or supporting companies that torture animals.
there are a lot of things you can and should do for our nature and environment. what you can do for climate change is limited but that doesnt mean you cant do anything about it

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true. for most extreme isn't even possible, and not an overnight-ish change.

I'm interested in creating less waste as well, and it can be really hard tbh because you just don't have the access to what you ideally would need to create as little as possible. I also don't think it is sustainable to go extreme for most of us in our everyday life- at least not at the moment, but I hope it will become more accessible to more people in a near future - and that's really where it needs to last, to become sustainable over time.

like you will have to use your reusable bag at least 100 times or so for it to equal the "cost of production" and be more sustainable than day-to-day use of plastic bags fx. It's a bit funny when people say plastic bags are better but they only look short-term and in production. most don't mention that it doesn't biodegrade, the toxins, killing of wildlife, etc.

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Ughr... And I just read an article about how the newly elected president in Brazil is allowing the rainforest to be cut down... Or well he doesn't give a fuck if it is anyways

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Sociopath wrote:
contrary to popular things, there are more things you can do for the environment than you'd think.
a lot of people seem to think that climate change is what the big fuzz is about but that's not true. you know what else matters? our current nature. meaning the birds you kill because you dropped something dumb on the ground that they later saw and began to eat, only to choke on it and die. or the tree you chopped down in your backyard because it was in the way of something. or supporting companies that torture animals.
there are a lot of things you can and should do for our nature and environment. what you can do for climate change is limited but that doesnt mean you cant do anything about it

I support this. Everything circulates so everything is interconnected. Deforestation leads to warmer temperatures where the vegetation is gone, and take less co2 out of the atmosphere. Biodiversity loss, fragmentation of vegetation (initially also killing wildlife and can lead to extinction to species that need particular ecosystems to thrive). It also lowers the soil quality and affects the microorganisms.

I personally do cruelty-free makeup because I don't want animals to suffer because of something trivial as "looking nice," especially when it is so easy to do that small change. the same with no fur and just lowering my consumption in general. (I'm not throwing the veganism card here because I'm not vegan myself. Want to be, yes, but not possible for me atm due to personal reasons. To those who are, transitioning, lowering consumption of animal products, etc.: thank you!)

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Ughr... And I just read an article about how the newly elected president in Brazil is allowing the rainforest to be cut down... Or well he doesn't give a fuck if it is anyways

oh gods.

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wug wrote:
so extremely long comments

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Snusmumrikken wrote:
so extremely long comments

you are free to take a seat

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wug wrote:

Cedence wrote:

Snusmumrikken wrote:
so extremely long comments

you are free to take a seat

i'm already sitting

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Snusmumrikken wrote:

Cedence wrote:

Snusmumrikken wrote:
so extremely long comments

you are free to take a seat

i'm already sitting

great! feel free to read any of it too

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wug wrote:

Cedence wrote:

Snusmumrikken wrote:

Cedence wrote:
you are free to take a seat

i'm already sitting

great! feel free to read any of it too

it's too warm to read comments that's unnecessary lengthy, can you sum it up

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Snusmumrikken wrote:

Cedence wrote:

Snusmumrikken wrote:
i'm already sitting

great! feel free to read any of it too

it's too warm to read comments that's unnecessary lengthy, can you sum it up

Here's a very short summary:

- vote to make a change (or become a politician)
- buy consciously, everything has an impact
- the corporations need to change, but much of the responsibility is actually being put on the consumer. It's wrong. Corporations have the biggest impact.
- zero waste isn't properly represented in the media. much of it comes across as another consumerist trend, not a lifestyle.
- it is also close to impossible in today's society, and an industrial term.
- look at the nature close to you as well. how you treat it is just as important as how it is treated other places in the world (Deforestation, wildlife, nature removed for pleasure.)
- Brazil's president is selling the rainforest
- try to create less waste with the privileges you have
- so much greenwashing, grr
- capitalism

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wug wrote:

Cedence wrote:

Snusmumrikken wrote:

Cedence wrote:
great! feel free to read any of it too

it's too warm to read comments that's unnecessary lengthy, can you sum it up

Here's a very short summary:

- vote to make a change (or become a politician)
- buy consciously, everything has an impact
- the corporations need to change, but much of the responsibility is actually being put on the consumer. It's wrong.
- zero waste isn't properly represented in the media. much of it comes across as another consumerist trend, not a lifestyle.
- it is also close to impossible in today's society, and an industrial term.
- look at the nature close to you as well. how you treat it is just as important as how it is treated other places in the world (Deforestation, wildlife, nature removed for pleasure.)
- Brazil's president is selling the rainforest
- try to create less waste with the privileges you have
- so much greenwashing, grr

I don't know what greenwashing is.

I must say I'm beyond words against blaming consumers for these things, for me that seems absurd and it's like treating a symptom rather than curing the actual illness.