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Snusmumrikken wrote:

Cedence wrote:

Snusmumrikken wrote:
it's too warm to read comments that's unnecessary lengthy, can you sum it up

Here's a very short summary:

- vote to make a change (or become a politician)
- buy consciously, everything has an impact
- the corporations need to change, but much of the responsibility is actually being put on the consumer. It's wrong.
- zero waste isn't properly represented in the media. much of it comes across as another consumerist trend, not a lifestyle.
- it is also close to impossible in today's society, and an industrial term.
- look at the nature close to you as well. how you treat it is just as important as how it is treated other places in the world (Deforestation, wildlife, nature removed for pleasure.)
- Brazil's president is selling the rainforest
- try to create less waste with the privileges you have
- so much greenwashing, grr

I don't know what greenwashing is.

I must say I'm beyond words against blaming consumers for these things, for me that seems absurd and it's like treating a symptom rather than curing the actual illness.

Greenwashing is when corporations\brands front themselves more sustainable than they actually are, misleading their customers. the base of their practices is not changed at all, they just want you to believe it is.

For example:
- H&M (and other fast fashion brands) "conscious collections." They say it is great for the environment, and individually the clothes in itself can be better, but it doesn't make a difference to the brand's practices. Their green collections make up probably less than 1% of what they produce in total, literally no difference to their company. They still pollute the air, water and soil, are huge contributors to plastic pollution (ca. 60% of all clothing made today is considered made by plastic.) Generate modern slavery and poverty, and much more for the sake of profit.

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wug wrote:

Cedence wrote:

Snusmumrikken wrote:

Cedence wrote:
Here's a very short summary:

- vote to make a change (or become a politician)
- buy consciously, everything has an impact
- the corporations need to change, but much of the responsibility is actually being put on the consumer. It's wrong.
- zero waste isn't properly represented in the media. much of it comes across as another consumerist trend, not a lifestyle.
- it is also close to impossible in today's society, and an industrial term.
- look at the nature close to you as well. how you treat it is just as important as how it is treated other places in the world (Deforestation, wildlife, nature removed for pleasure.)
- Brazil's president is selling the rainforest
- try to create less waste with the privileges you have
- so much greenwashing, grr

I don't know what greenwashing is.

I must say I'm beyond words against blaming consumers for these things, for me that seems absurd and it's like treating a symptom rather than curing the actual illness.

Greenwashing is when corporations\brands front themselves more sustainable than they actually are, misleading their customers because the base of their practices are not changed at all.

For example:
- H&M (and other fast fashion brands) "conscious collections." They say it is great for the environment, and individually the clothes in itself can be better, but it doesn't make a difference to the brand's practices. Their green collections make up probably less than 1% of what they produce in total, literally no difference to their company. They still pollute the air, water and soil, are huge contributors to plastic pollution (ca. 60% of all clothing made today is considered made by plastic.) Generate modern slavery and poverty, and much more for the sake of profit.

The climate issue is very complex

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Snusmumrikken wrote:

Cedence wrote:

Snusmumrikken wrote:
I don't know what greenwashing is.

I must say I'm beyond words against blaming consumers for these things, for me that seems absurd and it's like treating a symptom rather than curing the actual illness.

Greenwashing is when corporations\brands front themselves more sustainable than they actually are, misleading their customers because the base of their practices are not changed at all.

For example:
- H&M (and other fast fashion brands) "conscious collections." They say it is great for the environment, and individually the clothes in itself can be better, but it doesn't make a difference to the brand's practices. Their green collections make up probably less than 1% of what they produce in total, literally no difference to their company. They still pollute the air, water and soil, are huge contributors to plastic pollution (ca. 60% of all clothing made today is considered made by plastic.) Generate modern slavery and poverty, and much more for the sake of profit.

The climate issue is very complex

It truly is! There are so many fronts to address it on, but much of it comes down to this: everything you buy makes a toll on the environment. That's why what you and where you buy from is a vote on the future you want to have.

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wug wrote:

Cedence wrote:

Snusmumrikken wrote:

Cedence wrote:

Greenwashing is when corporations\brands front themselves more sustainable than they actually are, misleading their customers because the base of their practices are not changed at all.

For example:
- H&M (and other fast fashion brands) "conscious collections." They say it is great for the environment, and individually the clothes in itself can be better, but it doesn't make a difference to the brand's practices. Their green collections make up probably less than 1% of what they produce in total, literally no difference to their company. They still pollute the air, water and soil, are huge contributors to plastic pollution (ca. 60% of all clothing made today is considered made by plastic.) Generate modern slavery and poverty, and much more for the sake of profit.

The climate issue is very complex

It truly is! There are so many fronts to address it on, but much of it comes down to this: everything you buy makes a toll on the environment. That's why what you and where you buy from is a vote on the future you want to have.

Yeah except I feel like this argument ignores the fact that there are people who really doesn't have an option when it comes to "choosing" what and where you buy from, which is a direct result of the extreme capitalism the world is spiralling down into

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Snusmumrikken wrote:

Cedence wrote:

Snusmumrikken wrote:
The climate issue is very complex

It truly is! There are so many fronts to address it on, but much of it comes down to this: everything you buy makes a toll on the environment. That's why what you and where you buy from is a vote on the future you want to have.

Yeah except I feel like this argument ignores the fact that there are people who really doesn't have an option when it comes to "choosing" what and where you buy from, which is a direct result of the extreme capitalism the world is spiralling down into

Yes! Privilege is totally an important factor in it. It is mentioned earlier in this topic

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wug wrote:

Cedence wrote:

Snusmumrikken wrote:

Cedence wrote:

It truly is! There are so many fronts to address it on, but much of it comes down to this: everything you buy makes a toll on the environment. That's why what you and where you buy from is a vote on the future you want to have.

Yeah except I feel like this argument ignores the fact that there are people who really doesn't have an option when it comes to "choosing" what and where you buy from, which is a direct result of the extreme capitalism the world is spiralling down into

Yes! Privilege is totally an important factor in it. It is mentioned earlier in this topic

Yeah, therefore it is highly suspect to blame consumers as a significant proportion, even in Europe and America, have limited access to more environmental friendly options.

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Snusmumrikken wrote:

Cedence wrote:

Snusmumrikken wrote:
Yeah except I feel like this argument ignores the fact that there are people who really doesn't have an option when it comes to "choosing" what and where you buy from, which is a direct result of the extreme capitalism the world is spiralling down into

Yes! Privilege is totally an important factor in it. It is mentioned earlier in this topic

Yeah, therefore it is highly suspect to blame consumers as a significant proportion, even in Europe and America, have limited access to more environmental friendly options.

Consumers can only do so much and it won't matter very much as long as the small number of big corporations continue to contribute the most to climate breakdown. Personally, I think consumers primarily can work with what we waste and how we treat it and lowering\changing our consumerist lifestyle.

There are, however, a lot of sustainable business on the raise. Depending on what you mean with environmentally friendly options, I believe you'd find a solution for most if you look for everyday tools. Nonetheless, the best you can do is use what you already have or go second-hand\borrow etc. which often is cheaper than going out and buying brand new.

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Hennastii wrote:
i don't even care for other humans but i don't want the innocent animals to suffer and die just because our species has been asshats since day one

it's bullshit that the big corporations are the ones most responsible for this and they basically just want to destroy this planet for the money they get

u hold a position of extreme privelige if u can not care abt other humans because they happen to be of the same species. is it the people living in poverty by the equator's fault that we're facing a climate crisis? thry are, after all, the people who will face the worst consequences for the people in the west's overconsumption.

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wug wrote:

Cedence wrote:

Snusmumrikken wrote:

Cedence wrote:

Yes! Privilege is totally an important factor in it. It is mentioned earlier in this topic

Yeah, therefore it is highly suspect to blame consumers as a significant proportion, even in Europe and America, have limited access to more environmental friendly options.

Consumers can only do so much and it won't matter very much as long as the small number of big corporations continue to contribute the most to climate breakdown. Personally, I think consumers primarily can work with what we waste and how we treat it and lowering\changing our consumerist lifestyle.

There are, however, a lot of sustainable business on the raise. Depending on what you mean with environmentally friendly options, I believe you'd find a solution for most if you look for everyday tools. Nonetheless, the best you can do is use what you already have or go second-hand\borrow etc. which often is cheaper than going out and buying brand new.

I hope I'm not the problem I still wear clothes I bought when I was like 13-14 and I'm 21 so.. :/

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absintjente wrote:

Hennastii wrote:
i don't even care for other humans but i don't want the innocent animals to suffer and die just because our species has been asshats since day one

it's bullshit that the big corporations are the ones most responsible for this and they basically just want to destroy this planet for the money they get

u hold a position of extreme privelige if u can not care abt other humans because they happen to be of the same species. is it the people living in poverty by the equator's fault that we're facing a climate crisis? thry are, after all, the people who will face the worst consequences for the people in the west's overconsumption.

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absintjente wrote:

Sociopath wrote:
contrary to popular things, there are more things you can do for the environment than you'd think.
a lot of people seem to think that climate change is what the big fuzz is about but that's not true. you know what else matters? our current nature. meaning the birds you kill because you dropped something dumb on the ground that they later saw and began to eat, only to choke on it and die. or the tree you chopped down in your backyard because it was in the way of something. or supporting companies that torture animals.
there are a lot of things you can and should do for our nature and environment. what you can do for climate change is limited but that doesnt mean you cant do anything about it

agreed. i h8 defeatisy "we cannot do anything because corporations" and then they proceed to do absolutely nothing about the things they actually can. maybe you cant directly stop the dumping of toxic waste, but u can go plog, cut out meat, decrease shopping, take less/zero flights and so on.
theres... a middle ground, but people are so unwilling to change their lifestyle

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Snusmumrikken wrote:

Cedence wrote:

Snusmumrikken wrote:
Yeah, therefore it is highly suspect to blame consumers as a significant proportion, even in Europe and America, have limited access to more environmental friendly options.

Consumers can only do so much and it won't matter very much as long as the small number of big corporations continue to contribute the most to climate breakdown. Personally, I think consumers primarily can work with what we waste and how we treat it and lowering\changing our consumerist lifestyle.

There are, however, a lot of sustainable business on the raise. Depending on what you mean with environmentally friendly options, I believe you'd find a solution for most if you look for everyday tools. Nonetheless, the best you can do is use what you already have or go second-hand\borrow etc. which often is cheaper than going out and buying brand new.

I hope I'm not the problem I still wear clothes I bought when I was like 13-14 and I'm 21 so.. :/

I feel that so much. I have so much clothing I've had for years in my closet that I still use. It's great!

The only thing one can really do is find a more sustainable solution the next time you purchase something. Can you do second-hand? Do it! Sustainable brands? Go on! Green collections from fast fashion brands? Works as well. Fast fashion on sale? Also a solution. As we agreed earlier, it all depends on which privileges you have and what you have access to at that time, if you even can make a change.

& if you are able to take some of that responsibility that really belongs to the corporations, you're doing awesome.

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absintjente wrote:

Sociopath wrote:
contrary to popular things, there are more things you can do for the environment than you'd think.
a lot of people seem to think that climate change is what the big fuzz is about but that's not true. you know what else matters? our current nature. meaning the birds you kill because you dropped something dumb on the ground that they later saw and began to eat, only to choke on it and die. or the tree you chopped down in your backyard because it was in the way of something. or supporting companies that torture animals.
there are a lot of things you can and should do for our nature and environment. what you can do for climate change is limited but that doesnt mean you cant do anything about it

agreed. i h8 defeatisy "we cannot do anything because corporations" and then they proceed to do absolutely nothing about the things they actually can. maybe you cant directly stop the dumping of toxic waste, but u can go plog, cut out meat, decrease shopping, take less/zero flights and so on.
theres... a middle ground, but people are so unwilling to change their lifestyle

the all or nothing- mentality is so stupidly harmful

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Hennastii wrote:

absintjente wrote:

Hennastii wrote:
i don't even care for other humans but i don't want the innocent animals to suffer and die just because our species has been asshats since day one

it's bullshit that the big corporations are the ones most responsible for this and they basically just want to destroy this planet for the money they get

u hold a position of extreme privelige if u can not care abt other humans because they happen to be of the same species. is it the people living in poverty by the equator's fault that we're facing a climate crisis? thry are, after all, the people who will face the worst consequences for the people in the west's overconsumption.

i don't mean that it is for example the fault of the people living in poverty, i said our species cause millions of humans have done wrong for the planet for hundreds of years already. not all of us are monsters wanting to destroy the planet

you misunderstood me completely

i don't want us to suffer here either cause some dickheads in some corporations want to make money
but humans are the most dangerous thing to earth that there is

//edit. also yes, i am very privileged being born in finland and not in a third world country, and i could've chosen my words a little better. i was (and basically still am) so angry for the world as the current situation feels so hopeless, i'd much rather die than see the world burn.

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Hennastii wrote:
also the climate change and the whole climate crisis makes me feel really small and that my actions weren't enough although at the same time i know i'm doing everything i can and that the corporations and the nations should do more

but for example i don't want to bring children into this world where the planet is already suffering and it's probably gonna be even worse if these corporations/nations/politicians don't do anything for it

i'd do anything if i could see this world without these monsters, only the good human beings who care about the animals and the planet and want to protect it