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is santa claus a god
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i just saw a tiktok of a man yapping about how he thinks archeologists in the future will believe santa claus was our god and that he believes that he kind of already exists as a god in our current world because people (=kids) believe in him, 'offer' milk and cookies to receive his boons (a present), we sing songs to him, we perform rituals (making a list) and change our behaviours so he doesn't doom us (naughty list)

i thought this was such an interesting take and im very curious what u guys think
my bf disagrees bc the parents who teach their kids about santa claus know hes not real 
but i kind of feel like this can also be the case in big religions though mostly ppl do truly forever believe in those gods yes 
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in the netherlands we have sinterklaas instead of santa claus, and he actually was a holy person way back when so i think sinterklaas is even more godly than santa claus which is so interesting 
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woah that's interesting i never thought about it like that before :0
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Solar wrote:
in the netherlands we have sinterklaas instead of santa claus, and he actually was a holy person way back when so i think sinterklaas is even more godly than santa claus which is so interesting 
is sinterclaas based on sankt nikolaus

nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaas_van_Myra

this guy? becaue we have a day dedicated to him as well in germany,. but its the 6th of december 

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and i think theres more to it than jsut believing in someone to make them coutn as a god, because by that logic the devil or the tooth fairy is a god as well 
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Solar wrote:
in the netherlands we have sinterklaas instead of santa claus, and he actually was a holy person way back when so i think sinterklaas is even more godly than santa claus which is so interesting 
isnt santa some weird distortion of "saint" as well tho 
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religion my top three special interest,,,, i'm kinda nervous to talk abt my opinions on it publicly tho because i know how sensitive it can be to some ppl (which is also valid and i don't wanna accidentally upset someone ;n; )

but in short and simple i think it's possible even tho saints are almost exclusively already tied to christianity so idk why ppl would at some point start isolating him from it (and having more than one god is a no-no) + the name "santa" is based on latin which is the Official Christianity Language tm

but also the american concept of santa is already based on folklore and pagan beliefs, sorta making him this weird convert christian guy... the future theologists might get a field trip out of this fella
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Suchomimus wrote:
woah that's interesting i never thought about it like that before :0
ikr i thought it was such a cool hot take!
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bexxi wrote:
Solar wrote:
in the netherlands we have sinterklaas instead of santa claus, and he actually was a holy person way back when so i think sinterklaas is even more godly than santa claus which is so interesting 
is sinterclaas based on sankt nikolaus

nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaas_van_Myra

this guy? becaue we have a day dedicated to him as well in germany,. but its the 6th of december 
yes! 

my bf also made the tooth fairy argument yes! imo i think the tooth fairy / santa claus are prime examples of folkloric entities like baba yaga was. i think the rituals surrounding them and the belief that they know/see everything is very godlike 
i wonder how this was in ancient greece for example, i know religious practices could be way more day to day and casual, more folkloric
but do we then use that way of practicing religion as a metric or one of our current biggest religious movements 
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Azriel wrote:
Solar wrote:
in the netherlands we have sinterklaas instead of santa claus, and he actually was a holy person way back when so i think sinterklaas is even more godly than santa claus which is so interesting 
isnt santa some weird distortion of "saint" as well tho 
yes i think so!! but santa claus was made by coca cola right, he doesn't really have a saint hes based on i think but correct me if im wrong i did not grow up w santa hihi
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Melody wrote:
religion my top three special interest,,,, i'm kinda nervous to talk abt my opinions on it publicly tho because i know how sensitive it can be to some ppl (which is also valid and i don't wanna accidentally upset someone ;n; )

but in short and simple i think it's possible even tho saints are almost exclusively already tied to christianity so idk why ppl would at some point start isolating him from it (and having more than one god is a no-no) + the name "santa" is based on latin which is the Official Christianity Language tm

but also the american concept of santa is already based on folklore and pagan beliefs, sorta making him this weird convert christian guy... the future theologists might get a field trip out of this fella
i think if ur mindful and have no bad intentions a discussion about religion shouldn't make anyone nervous :3 accidentally upsetting someone can always happen but this provides us with an opportunity to learn and grow 
especially if its a special interest of yours!! sad to have to keep it all in when we can all in turn learn something from u as well : D 

wait i didn't know santa adopted pagan beliefs, i do know christianity embraced putting up a tree and decorating it which is inherently a pagan belief, but im not sure i know which pagan rituals santa took over!! do you have an example? i can also google ofc but its always more fun to me to hear it from ppl who are knowledgeable about the subject hehe
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