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i feel so pissed off at them rn. my ex has been homeless for two years and relied on friends and relatives for housing, which has been ofc super unstable bc this ofc depends on kindness of the people and even the kindest people have limits to their kindness and often expect something in return that the person theyre helping cannot give.

my ex has been on a hunt for housing all this time and its very hard bc hes also unemployed and as a homeless, extremely mentally ill person its ofc hard to get a job and at the moment he 100% should not be having one. then theres the dog too and dependence on places like the job center and diakonie for his basic needs. 

throughout the years he has sometimes been accepted for a place, but job center has ex. deemed it too expensive (even when it alligns with their stupid charts..), not given the acceptance letter whatever in time for the landlord, etc. this month he got in touch with a nice landlord through the diakonie who understands his situation. he got accepted for the apartment, yay.

guess what happens 3 days before hes supposed to move in??!

job center, thats what happens!

they inform my ex that the place is too expensive after all! mind you that the acceptable rent for them is already ridiculously low for todays market and its nearly impossible to find a place within that range to begin with. the landlord is luckily willing to find a way to make the job center accept the place given that my ex has been homeless for TWO FRICKING YEARS but what the actual f.

and its so messed up that theres so little help like my ex has called the homeless hotline or whatever for help and theyve basically told him that he shouldnt go to the shelter bc its too unsafe and my ex has been like yo but what do i do though if this last place i can go to kicks me out one day and the worker just goes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

the system is so broken oml im so mad for my ex
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like just imagine IF he wasnt a native german speaker, IF he didnt know how the german system works, IF he hadnt had those friends and relatives throughout the years, IF people didnt loan him money when job center was 3 MONTHS!! late

just as examples ((:
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The system is rigged!
Many years ago my brother went on a full time school study thing to learn a new profession to get a job.
At the same time he needed to search for jobs and if he got a job he had to quit the school.
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They suck so bad, the whole system needs to be abolished and something new put into place. There is no reforming the unemployment center, they are rotten to the core. So many straight up evil people work there. 
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Meister wrote:
The system is rigged!
Many years ago my brother went on a full time school study thing to learn a new profession to get a job.
At the same time he needed to search for jobs and if he got a job he had to quit the school.
it truly is! my heart genuinely goes to anyone who has been a victim of these kinds of systems. and i despise those who still argue that the benefits are somehow "too high" or "too easy to get". i'm so sorry to hear about your brother. learning a new profession would make much more sense than quitting for any job that might not keep you after the trial period anyway. even more given that often as an unemployed person youre forced to attend these stupid courses where you learn zero real skills unlike if this same time was spend in actual education...
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Sylvan wrote:
They suck so bad, the whole system needs to be abolished and something new put into place. There is no reforming the unemployment center, they are rotten to the core. So many straight up evil people work there. 
honestly it seems like such a humiliation ritual for the people that rely on it. no one wants to rely on such an abusive system, yet the workers act as if the people are genuinely stupid and the situation is entirely their own fault
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meilin wrote:
Sylvan wrote:
They suck so bad, the whole system needs to be abolished and something new put into place. There is no reforming the unemployment center, they are rotten to the core. So many straight up evil people work there. 
honestly it seems like such a humiliation ritual for the people that rely on it. no one wants to rely on such an abusive system, yet the workers act as if the people are genuinely stupid and the situation is entirely their own fault
The thing I hate most about it is the fact that to get them to pay for the mandatory health insurance (which otherwise costs 250€/ month out of your own pocket) you have to send them your bank statements from the last 12 months and a list of everything you own. 
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meilin wrote:
Meister wrote:
The system is rigged!
Many years ago my brother went on a full time school study thing to learn a new profession to get a job.
At the same time he needed to search for jobs and if he got a job he had to quit the school.
it truly is! my heart genuinely goes to anyone who has been a victim of these kinds of systems. and i despise those who still argue that the benefits are somehow "too high" or "too easy to get". i'm so sorry to hear about your brother. learning a new profession would make much more sense than quitting for any job that might not keep you after the trial period anyway. even more given that often as an unemployed person youre forced to attend these stupid courses where you learn zero real skills unlike if this same time was spend in actual education...
Yeah he lost the job he had and went to learn a profession that he had in high school to get a license.
And he had a practice at a place for a few weeks and when the school was over they called him and asked if he wanted to work there. They called a Thursday afternoon and told him to start on monday.

And i also hate that some government wants sick people to get out to work,.
. Okay you have back pain, you can sit and work!
- You can stand but not being abel to sit? Work as a painter!
No one chooses to be sick!
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Sylvan wrote:
meilin wrote:
Sylvan wrote:
They suck so bad, the whole system needs to be abolished and something new put into place. There is no reforming the unemployment center, they are rotten to the core. So many straight up evil people work there. 
honestly it seems like such a humiliation ritual for the people that rely on it. no one wants to rely on such an abusive system, yet the workers act as if the people are genuinely stupid and the situation is entirely their own fault
The thing I hate most about it is the fact that to get them to pay for the mandatory health insurance (which otherwise costs 250€/ month out of your own pocket) you have to send them your bank statements from the last 12 months and a list of everything you own. 
ah yes that too, so lovely! and sometimes they also ask you for stuff from a ridiculously long time ago. my ex had to find some statement from 2020 recently to verify he could continue receiving the same benefits he has been entitled to for all the other months
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Meister wrote:
meilin wrote:
Meister wrote:
The system is rigged!
Many years ago my brother went on a full time school study thing to learn a new profession to get a job.
At the same time he needed to search for jobs and if he got a job he had to quit the school.
it truly is! my heart genuinely goes to anyone who has been a victim of these kinds of systems. and i despise those who still argue that the benefits are somehow "too high" or "too easy to get". i'm so sorry to hear about your brother. learning a new profession would make much more sense than quitting for any job that might not keep you after the trial period anyway. even more given that often as an unemployed person youre forced to attend these stupid courses where you learn zero real skills unlike if this same time was spend in actual education...
Yeah he lost the job he had and went to learn a profession that he had in high school to get a license.
And he had a practice at a place for a few weeks and when the school was over they called him and asked if he wanted to work there. They called a Thursday afternoon and told him to start on monday.

And i also hate that some government wants sick people to get out to work,.
. Okay you have back pain, you can sit and work!
- You can stand but not being abel to sit? Work as a painter!
No one chooses to be sick!
definitely. id argue that most if not all ultimately want to do something meaningful with their lives, if theyre able to. even getting to the point where you are legally recognized as disabled is a long and rocky road and even if you are recognized, there are levels to it and those levels get evaluated through ableist lenses that merely focus on whether you are "functional enough", not whether this functionality is sustainable or healthy for the person.
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ive lived in a homeless shelter for 3 years and its soooo hard to get out of a situation like that like they seriously rigg everything against you its CRAZY 
i only got out because my godaunt was like "come to my city ill just rent u the upper floor of my house" and also because i inherited a few thousand euro but THANKFULLY the relative died before i was in the shelter  because otherwise they would have just yoinked all the money LOL
basically my uncle died and my father was his heir and then my dad died and i became the heir because i didnt know u had to  go to a notar and have them signa  paper that u dont wanna inherit. so i  inherited my fathers debt ( <3) but apparently also the money that his brother still had on his bank acc when he died. which turned out to be 12 k euro lol 
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bexxi wrote:
ive lived in a homeless shelter for 3 years and its soooo hard to get out of a situation like that like they seriously rigg everything against you its CRAZY 
i only got out because my godaunt was like "come to my city ill just rent u the upper floor of my house" and also because i inherited a few thousand euro but THANKFULLY the relative died before i was in the shelter  because otherwise they would have just yoinked all the money LOL
basically my uncle died and my father was his heir and then my dad died and i became the heir because i didnt know u had to  go to a notar and have them signa  paper that u dont wanna inherit. so i  inherited my fathers debt ( <3) but apparently also the money that his brother still had on his bank acc when he died. which turned out to be 12 k euro lol 
they really do! my ex is officially homeless and his address is at the diakonie, but the people who are supposed to help him still act as if the temporary stays with people are and have been permanent in nature, like he has to really exaggerate the situation to get any form of help. there have been so many times his mail has been stuck there bc people are on holidays etc, which has then messed up job center stuff. one time his bank account was almost closed due to no one being reachable and it only got saved bc i transferred him money. had it been closed, it would have made things even more messed up, yet its a situation that is not even super rare if you are entirely dependent on a system that is rotten to the core

im so, so happy you got out of that situation bc i cant even imagine how it must have been to live at the shelter with very few prospects to get out. even hearing stuff from my ex makes me super sad, because it really isnt about the lack of effort, but the systems actively working against you in a way that makes it hard for the few nice people to help. grateful for you that those people died. i imagine it would have been quite hard to gather the money otherwise
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meilin wrote:
bexxi wrote:
ive lived in a homeless shelter for 3 years and its soooo hard to get out of a situation like that like they seriously rigg everything against you its CRAZY 
i only got out because my godaunt was like "come to my city ill just rent u the upper floor of my house" and also because i inherited a few thousand euro but THANKFULLY the relative died before i was in the shelter  because otherwise they would have just yoinked all the money LOL
basically my uncle died and my father was his heir and then my dad died and i became the heir because i didnt know u had to  go to a notar and have them signa  paper that u dont wanna inherit. so i  inherited my fathers debt ( <3) but apparently also the money that his brother still had on his bank acc when he died. which turned out to be 12 k euro lol 
they really do! my ex is officially homeless and his address is at the diakonie, but the people who are supposed to help him still act as if the temporary stays with people are and have been permanent in nature, like he has to really exaggerate the situation to get any form of help. there have been so many times his mail has been stuck there bc people are on holidays etc, which has then messed up job center stuff. one time his bank account was almost closed due to no one being reachable and it only got saved bc i transferred him money. had it been closed, it would have made things even more messed up, yet its a situation that is not even super rare if you are entirely dependent on a system that is rotten to the core

im so, so happy you got out of that situation bc i cant even imagine how it must have been to live at the shelter with very few prospects to get out. even hearing stuff from my ex makes me super sad, because it really isnt about the lack of effort, but the systems actively working against you in a way that makes it hard for the few nice people to help. grateful for you that those people died. i imagine it would have been quite hard to gather the money otherwise
it fr was crazy because of the other ppl there too like ... everyone who is homeless is mentally ill. and the shelter onyl lets the most stable mentally ill people in. but im telling you, some ppl there are still seriously extremely ill (most had shizrophrenia and were in active psychosis because they kept  not taking meds) and we had police and the ambulance  there constantly because some ppl either tried to attack someone with a knife or overdosed or just had a complete breakdown and were destroying furniture or WHATEVER it truly was never not crazy, its not a place were you can really rest and do a reset and start up again. but its the best alternative to being on the street ........... im very gratefull that im one of the few who actually got out and now live a normal life and it was all thanks to outside factors helping me 
i just wish the system would be made to HELP you get out and not keep you down. they truly dont want you to succeed. 
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there were also ppl who just pissed in public like u sit inthe garden and the person next to u just pisses on the chair. seriously mentally ill people. and if u didnt lock ur door to ur room ppl just stole from u <3 (to buy drugs)
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