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scoff wrote:
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Could have had it before but i got older and i don't see it anymore, I think i have a good understanding of it tho but idk if my "symptoms" are relevant since ive been told you can't be cured
At what age? Many people would fit the criteria in their teens but not when they're adults. That's why most professionals won't diagnose it in patients under 20, or at least not in patients under 18 - even though DSM-5 says nothing about this.
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Date: 13-11-2019 12:20
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Bloodflowers wrote:
scoff wrote:
Bloodflowers wrote:
Could have had it before but i got older and i don't see it anymore, I think i have a good understanding of it tho but idk if my "symptoms" are relevant since ive been told you can't be cured
At what age? Many people would fit the criteria in their teens but not when they're adults. That's why most professionals won't diagnose it in patients under 20, or at least not in patients under 18 - even though DSM-5 says nothing about this.
I was diagnosed as i turned 18 but now at 20 it is one of those diagnoses that hasnt been taken away but also is never ever mentioned bc its not relevant anymore. I've recieved no treatment for it either btw
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Date: 13-11-2019 12:24
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scoff wrote:
Bloodflowers wrote:
scoff wrote:
Bloodflowers wrote:
Could have had it before but i got older and i don't see it anymore, I think i have a good understanding of it tho but idk if my "symptoms" are relevant since ive been told you can't be cured
At what age? Many people would fit the criteria in their teens but not when they're adults. That's why most professionals won't diagnose it in patients under 20, or at least not in patients under 18 - even though DSM-5 says nothing about this.
I was diagnosed as i turned 18 but now at 20 it is one of those diagnoses that hasnt been taken away but also is never ever mentioned bc its not relevant anymore. I've recieved no treatment for it either btw
Then perhaps it was something else, something at that specific time in your life. Good you're doing better.
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Date: 13-11-2019 12:36
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Bloodflowers wrote:
scoff wrote:
Bloodflowers wrote:
scoff wrote:
At what age? Many people would fit the criteria in their teens but not when they're adults. That's why most professionals won't diagnose it in patients under 20, or at least not in patients under 18 - even though DSM-5 says nothing about this.
I was diagnosed as i turned 18 but now at 20 it is one of those diagnoses that hasnt been taken away but also is never ever mentioned bc its not relevant anymore. I've recieved no treatment for it either btw
Then perhaps it was something else, something at that specific time in your life. Good you're doing better.
I thought i had it since I was 15 or 16 but I think there's a reason why so many teens think they have it. I also think i might have just been depressed the two are so much more similar than people think
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scoff wrote:
Bloodflowers wrote:
scoff wrote:
Bloodflowers wrote:
I was diagnosed as i turned 18 but now at 20 it is one of those diagnoses that hasnt been taken away but also is never ever mentioned bc its not relevant anymore. I've recieved no treatment for it either btw
Then perhaps it was something else, something at that specific time in your life. Good you're doing better.
I thought i had it since I was 15 or 16 but I think there's a reason why so many teens think they have it. I also think i might have just been depressed the two are so much more similar than people think
BPD overlaps with so many other conditions I think that maybe it would be better to separate them. If a borderline patient struggles with emotional instability + anxiety, then just diagnose anxiety and emotional dysregulation. 

I mean, the term is ancient anyways, and in the beginning it wasn't even an actual diagnosis, but rather something they put on young women when they couldn't figure out what the real problem was. In the 50s - borderline simply meant "this person does not act normal, but is neither psychotic nor neurotic". 
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Bloodflowers wrote:
scoff wrote:
Bloodflowers wrote:
scoff wrote:
Then perhaps it was something else, something at that specific time in your life. Good you're doing better.
I thought i had it since I was 15 or 16 but I think there's a reason why so many teens think they have it. I also think i might have just been depressed the two are so much more similar than people think
BPD overlaps with so many other conditions I think that maybe it would be better to separate them. If a borderline patient struggles with emotional instability + anxiety, then just diagnose anxiety and emotional dysregulation. 

I mean, the term is ancient anyways, and in the beginning it wasn't even an actual diagnosis, but rather something they put on young women when they couldn't figure out what the real problem was. In the 50s - borderline simply meant "this person does not act normal, but is neither psychotic nor neurotic". 
It is called emotionally unstable personality disorder (in swe) now
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scoff wrote:
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scoff wrote:
Bloodflowers wrote:
I thought i had it since I was 15 or 16 but I think there's a reason why so many teens think they have it. I also think i might have just been depressed the two are so much more similar than people think
BPD overlaps with so many other conditions I think that maybe it would be better to separate them. If a borderline patient struggles with emotional instability + anxiety, then just diagnose anxiety and emotional dysregulation. 

I mean, the term is ancient anyways, and in the beginning it wasn't even an actual diagnosis, but rather something they put on young women when they couldn't figure out what the real problem was. In the 50s - borderline simply meant "this person does not act normal, but is neither psychotic nor neurotic". 
It is called emotionally unstable personality disorder (in swe) now
No, only when it comes to inpatient care. Regular psychologists and psychiatrists no longer use ICD (which is the book in which borderline is now referred to as EIPD), but have switched to the american DSM after DSM-5 came out so much earlier than ICD-11 in 2018 (I still don't think a swedish version exists). DSM-5 was released five years earlier, and since psychiatric diagnoses is such a new field and the ICD-10 was from 1992 (which makes it two years older than DSM-IV which was considered old and out-dated). 

If we were to go by the ICD still, we wouldn't diagnose people with ADHD, for example. And we do. In ICD, ADHD is referred to as "hyperkinetic disorder". We do not diagnose people with hyperkinetic disorder.

It is true that historically Europe and North America have had very different ways of looking at mental issues and on diagnosing. For example, the term "schizophrenia" wasn't used in Europe until WAY later. Here, it was called "dementia praecox" or "dementia primaria" depending on what institution you were in. Even after we switched to schizophrenia, the criteria were wildly different. The american version seldom focused on more than the positive symptoms, while europeans more likely PRIMARY focused on the negative ones that affected cognitive abilities. Fun fact! 
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Bloodflowers wrote:
scoff wrote:
Bloodflowers wrote:
scoff wrote:
BPD overlaps with so many other conditions I think that maybe it would be better to separate them. If a borderline patient struggles with emotional instability + anxiety, then just diagnose anxiety and emotional dysregulation. 

I mean, the term is ancient anyways, and in the beginning it wasn't even an actual diagnosis, but rather something they put on young women when they couldn't figure out what the real problem was. In the 50s - borderline simply meant "this person does not act normal, but is neither psychotic nor neurotic". 
It is called emotionally unstable personality disorder (in swe) now
No, only when it comes to inpatient care. Regular psychologists and psychiatrists no longer use ICD (which is the book in which borderline is now referred to as EIPD), but have switched to the american DSM after DSM-5 came out so much earlier than ICD-11 in 2018 (I still don't think a swedish version exists). DSM-5 was released five years earlier, and since psychiatric diagnoses is such a new field and the ICD-10 was from 1992 (which makes it two years older than DSM-IV which was considered old and out-dated). 

If we were to go by the ICD still, we wouldn't diagnose people with ADHD, for example. And we do. In ICD, ADHD is referred to as "hyperkinetic disorder". We do not diagnose people with hyperkinetic disorder.

It is true that historically Europe and North America have had very different ways of looking at mental issues and on diagnosing. For example, the term "schizophrenia" wasn't used in Europe until WAY later. Here, it was called "dementia praecox" or "dementia primaria" depending on what institution you were in. Even after we switched to schizophrenia, the criteria were wildly different. The american version seldom focused on more than the positive symptoms, while europeans more likely PRIMARY focused on the negative ones that affected cognitive abilities. Fun fact! 
It says emotionally unstable personality disorder in my papers. Im not in any inpatient care
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scoff wrote:
Bloodflowers wrote:
scoff wrote:
Bloodflowers wrote:
It is called emotionally unstable personality disorder (in swe) now
No, only when it comes to inpatient care. Regular psychologists and psychiatrists no longer use ICD (which is the book in which borderline is now referred to as EIPD), but have switched to the american DSM after DSM-5 came out so much earlier than ICD-11 in 2018 (I still don't think a swedish version exists). DSM-5 was released five years earlier, and since psychiatric diagnoses is such a new field and the ICD-10 was from 1992 (which makes it two years older than DSM-IV which was considered old and out-dated). 

If we were to go by the ICD still, we wouldn't diagnose people with ADHD, for example. And we do. In ICD, ADHD is referred to as "hyperkinetic disorder". We do not diagnose people with hyperkinetic disorder.

It is true that historically Europe and North America have had very different ways of looking at mental issues and on diagnosing. For example, the term "schizophrenia" wasn't used in Europe until WAY later. Here, it was called "dementia praecox" or "dementia primaria" depending on what institution you were in. Even after we switched to schizophrenia, the criteria were wildly different. The american version seldom focused on more than the positive symptoms, while europeans more likely PRIMARY focused on the negative ones that affected cognitive abilities. Fun fact! 
It says emotionally unstable personality disorder in my papers. Im not in any inpatient care
Then I guess it depends on where you live. I know it was a big thing a few years ago that the disorder was gonna get another name and all that, but now all I see is borderline. 
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scoff wrote:
ICD looks nice. They've understood that schizotypal disorder is NOT a personality disorder, but rather a form of schizophrenia without necessary full-blown psychosis or such. This is what I mean.
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scoff wrote:
ICD still has DAMP as a diagnosis. 
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Yeah been diagnosed with it for 4 years

Meds helpe me manage it a bit but overall it is absolute hell and ruins a lot in my life
Date: 13-11-2019 13:27
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scoff wrote:
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Yeah been diagnosed with it for 4 years

Meds helpe me manage it a bit but overall it is absolute hell and ruins a lot in my life
How does it manifest in you? 
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scoff wrote:
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Yeah been diagnosed with it for 4 years

Meds helpe me manage it a bit but overall it is absolute hell and ruins a lot in my life
How does it manifest in you? 
My moods are very unstable and unpredictable. Self harming and suicidal ideation and attempts. VERY big fear of abandonment and I have threaten to kill myself if they leave me in mere panic. I'm always on guard, and think everyone is out to hurt me and I overreact emotionally in relationships. Quite clingy and in need of validations all the time. It's like if the ''I like you'' isn't there right in front of me it's like it doesn't exist. They can say they like me but some hours later I will queston it again, like the ''out of sight out of mind'' is a common BPD thing. Feeling empty but then depressed and then happy and then cry, all within an hour. People are either good or evil, none in between. It's the black and white thinking, idealize someone or devaluate them. Being impulsive, like doing dumb shit just to feel alike - related to the feeling of emptiness. Super sensitive emotionally and I'm just fragile. Sudden bursts of anger, and I don't deal like ''an adult'' in situations where I'm emotionally over-stimulated

Over all self-destructive behaviour. BPD have with me been triggering psychocis, AvPD and OCD. Those are not as severe atm but the BPD is still going strong.

That's the stuff I can think of right now
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scoff wrote:
C4TH3DR4L wrote:
scoff wrote:
C4TH3DR4L wrote:
Yeah been diagnosed with it for 4 years

Meds helpe me manage it a bit but overall it is absolute hell and ruins a lot in my life
How does it manifest in you? 
My moods are very unstable and unpredictable. Self harming and suicidal ideation and attempts. VERY big fear of abandonment and I have threaten to kill myself if they leave me in mere panic. I'm always on guard, and think everyone is out to hurt me and I overreact emotionally in relationships. Quite clingy and in need of valifations all the time. It's like if the ''I like you'' isn't there right in front of me it's like it doesn't exist. They can say they like me but some hours later I will queston it again, like the ''out of sight out of mind'' is a common BPD thing. Feeling empty but then depressed and then happy and then cry, all within an hour. People are either good or evil, none in between. It's the black and white thinking, idealize someone or devaluate them. Being impulsive, like doing dumb shit just to feel alike - related to the feeling of emptiness. Super sensitive emotionally and I'm just fragile. Sudden bursts of anger, and I don't deal like ''an adult'' in situations where I'm emotionally over-stimulated

That's the stuff I can think of right now
Thanks. 
When you say constant - do you mean constant? Like, say if you're in a relationship with somebody. Does it ever happen that a day goes by when you don't think that person is going to turn on you and leave you? If things are well those hours after a person have said they like you, do you still think they don't like you? The people are either good or evil thing, is that just in the moment and you can see afterwards that "hey, maybe this person did something i considered evil, but really they're not evil, they just have good and bad sides"? 

Sorry for asking so much. I'm curious.
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