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Claire wrote:

MasileinDE wrote:

Claire wrote:

MasileinDE wrote:

I don't even think it's for anyone
I mean, does it have to have an audience if someone is displayed naked?
I guess it's for those that don't mind and, that's about it
like a nude
anyone who doesn't like nudes, won't buy one or look at one
and nudes generally aren't dedicated to a specific gender, they are just there and portray ... nudity

well female nudes are often presented for the 'male gaze' (at the risk of getting shouted down over using the word male, 'male gaze' is a common term that we use in art history discussions). i do think in this case it probably isn't being presented for anyone in like....

i mean it's not sexy it's just there it really does look like something i might have done in a figure drawing class.
but then this was Doug's initial assumption, that the presence of the penis was meant for a sexual sort of gaze.

I think that's a bit what is wrong with society today (not meaning to blame or shame Doug here)
thinking that because we see genitalia always means sex in some way
nudity is actually one of the strongest way (imo) to show vulnerability
and like I said, we're not talking 'bout Ken here

(as for the nude's part, didn't know they were meant to be seen like that, I always thought it was more of a "hey look, a naked human body, but it's art and it's tasteful, so we can just claim it's beautiful without having someone shout perv at our face"

I can link you some information about the 'male gaze' if you're interested I took a whole art history class that had a focus on women and how they have been portrayed in art

And I think you're right yes that this is a bit what's wrong in society, Doug is sort of being our representative for the average man here with his reaction I think.

I wonder if I would have had a strong reaction to it if I had just read the comic and seen it without seeing all the news articles first.

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Persona wrote:

Claire wrote:

MasileinDE wrote:

Claire wrote:
well female nudes are often presented for the 'male gaze' (at the risk of getting shouted down over using the word male, 'male gaze' is a common term that we use in art history discussions). i do think in this case it probably isn't being presented for anyone in like....

i mean it's not sexy it's just there it really does look like something i might have done in a figure drawing class.
but then this was Doug's initial assumption, that the presence of the penis was meant for a sexual sort of gaze.

I think that's a bit what is wrong with society today (not meaning to blame or shame Doug here)
thinking that because we see genitalia always means sex in some way
nudity is actually one of the strongest way (imo) to show vulnerability
and like I said, we're not talking 'bout Ken here

(as for the nude's part, didn't know they were meant to be seen like that, I always thought it was more of a "hey look, a naked human body, but it's art and it's tasteful, so we can just claim it's beautiful without having someone shout perv at our face"

I can link you some information about the 'male gaze' if you're interested I took a whole art history class that had a focus on women and how they have been portrayed in art

And I think you're right yes that this is a bit what's wrong in society, Doug is sort of being our representative for the average man here with his reaction I think.

I wonder if I would have had a strong reaction to it if I had just read the comic and seen it without seeing all the news articles first.

talking about the male gaze, my bf studies at the uni Mulvey teaches at and he told me that she doesn't lecture anymore, but she still supervises dissertations and it's like... can you imagine Laura Mulvey supervising ur dissertation, i'd have a heart attack every time i received an email

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Claire wrote:

Persona wrote:

Claire wrote:

MasileinDE wrote:

I think that's a bit what is wrong with society today (not meaning to blame or shame Doug here)
thinking that because we see genitalia always means sex in some way
nudity is actually one of the strongest way (imo) to show vulnerability
and like I said, we're not talking 'bout Ken here

(as for the nude's part, didn't know they were meant to be seen like that, I always thought it was more of a "hey look, a naked human body, but it's art and it's tasteful, so we can just claim it's beautiful without having someone shout perv at our face"

I can link you some information about the 'male gaze' if you're interested I took a whole art history class that had a focus on women and how they have been portrayed in art

And I think you're right yes that this is a bit what's wrong in society, Doug is sort of being our representative for the average man here with his reaction I think.

I wonder if I would have had a strong reaction to it if I had just read the comic and seen it without seeing all the news articles first.

talking about the male gaze, my bf studies at the uni Mulvey teaches at and he told me that she doesn't lecture anymore, but she still supervises dissertations and it's like... can you imagine Laura Mulvey supervising ur dissertation, i'd have a heart attack every time i received an email

;-; oh my god ;-; ;-; ;-; ;-; ;-; ;-; wow i'm starstruck just thinking about it lol

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Persona wrote:

Claire wrote:

Persona wrote:

Claire wrote:
I can link you some information about the 'male gaze' if you're interested I took a whole art history class that had a focus on women and how they have been portrayed in art

And I think you're right yes that this is a bit what's wrong in society, Doug is sort of being our representative for the average man here with his reaction I think.

I wonder if I would have had a strong reaction to it if I had just read the comic and seen it without seeing all the news articles first.

talking about the male gaze, my bf studies at the uni Mulvey teaches at and he told me that she doesn't lecture anymore, but she still supervises dissertations and it's like... can you imagine Laura Mulvey supervising ur dissertation, i'd have a heart attack every time i received an email

;-; oh my god ;-; ;-; ;-; ;-; ;-; ;-; wow i'm starstruck just thinking about it lol

she spoke at a symposium given by my department earlier this month but i couldn't attend because i was too far away to make it at the time sad

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I just burst out laughing every time I see it.

I like how the argument to "well women are shown sexually for no reason all the time!" Is to "shown men sexually for no reason as well!"

How's about - no unecessary nakedness?
(I'm not a big porn without plot kinda person - or rather, porn thrown in that has nothing to do with the plot despite their being a plot, kinda person)

But yeah, I literally find it hilarious. A friend of mine told me about it and we just laughed for ages.

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Claire wrote:

Quinzelle wrote:
I just burst out laughing every time I see it.

I like how the argument to "well women are shown sexually for no reason all the time!" Is to "shown men sexually for no reason as well!"

How's about - no unecessary nakedness?
(I'm not a big porn without plot kinda person - or rather, porn thrown in that has nothing to do with the plot despite their being a plot, kinda person)

But yeah, I literally find it hilarious. A friend of mine told me about it and we just laughed for ages.

lol i like this i really like this

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MasileinDE wrote:

Claire wrote:

MasileinDE wrote:

Claire wrote:
well female nudes are often presented for the 'male gaze' (at the risk of getting shouted down over using the word male, 'male gaze' is a common term that we use in art history discussions). i do think in this case it probably isn't being presented for anyone in like....

i mean it's not sexy it's just there it really does look like something i might have done in a figure drawing class.
but then this was Doug's initial assumption, that the presence of the penis was meant for a sexual sort of gaze.

I think that's a bit what is wrong with society today (not meaning to blame or shame Doug here)
thinking that because we see genitalia always means sex in some way
nudity is actually one of the strongest way (imo) to show vulnerability
and like I said, we're not talking 'bout Ken here

(as for the nude's part, didn't know they were meant to be seen like that, I always thought it was more of a "hey look, a naked human body, but it's art and it's tasteful, so we can just claim it's beautiful without having someone shout perv at our face"

I can link you some information about the 'male gaze' if you're interested I took a whole art history class that had a focus on women and how they have been portrayed in art

And I think you're right yes that this is a bit what's wrong in society, Doug is sort of being our representative for the average man here with his reaction I think.

I wonder if I would have had a strong reaction to it if I had just read the comic and seen it without seeing all the news articles first.

yesm, please, it sounds interesting
tbh, I don't think I would have even realised it if I didn't read about it...

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Claire wrote:
: ( mods removed the NSFW link (understandable, yes, i understand i wasn't sure the thread itself would survive) but ya'll know how to google. well most of ya'll know how to google.

i have never gotten that impression

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Claire wrote:

Seigfried wrote:

Claire wrote:
: ( mods removed the NSFW link (understandable, yes, i understand i wasn't sure the thread itself would survive) but ya'll know how to google. well most of ya'll know how to google.

i have never gotten that impression