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do u think diversity in movies and tv series
Laboratory
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Laboratory wrote:
no
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Date: 24-09-2020 15:50
Alam
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Alam wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Alam wrote:
I think people who say they care about historical accuracy so much should focus on things like costume design and language if they truly care so much. Otherwise it's just a bad look.

well to be fair, that is an issue too, though as someone super uninformed, seeing skin colour is easier than pinpointing out costume mistakes because of the wrong cut or stitch method
so, yeah, it's a valid point, if you want to be historically accurate, don't just fight about the racial issue
but considering the political climate and how most people have no idea what they are talking about, it makes sense that this is the most "easy to converse upon controversial topic" when it comes to historical movies for people who don't know much stuff
See, I think racial representation is a bigger issue right now than historical accuracy, but in the future, looking back at what is now looked at as a necessary step towards racial integration and pluralism is just gonna be looked at as weird old timey pandering and yes, inaccuracy. The solution to me is obvious, make more historical films that necessitate black, Asian, Latin, Jewish, middle eastern etc etc actors, like, I don't know, telling stories that don't all take place in Europe? But, if I'm being honest, I don't think it matters that much, integration of so called people of colour into pop culture is a massive, important step towards racism dying out so it matters less in the long haul if a film is historically accurate than if it helped forward a cause. All that being said, seeing an Asian person walking around medieval Europe in a film would be fucking weird and make me raise an eyebrow. It's kind of shallow and pandering in a very unsubtle and borderline offensive way. I'm sorry, this is all over the place and barely understandable but yeah, here are some thoughts from my brain. 
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Date: 24-09-2020 15:58
Duckgirl
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duckgirl wrote:
forced diversity just looks like they want 2 get as much money n woke points
but in the end, they do not really care about representing minorities in historical events
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Date: 24-09-2020 15:59
Duckgirl
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duckgirl wrote:
and would also love to see historical events that do not involve white-majority societies
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Date: 24-09-2020 16:00
Pavlov
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Pavlov wrote:
Alam wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Alam wrote:
I think people who say they care about historical accuracy so much should focus on things like costume design and language if they truly care so much. Otherwise it's just a bad look.

well to be fair, that is an issue too, though as someone super uninformed, seeing skin colour is easier than pinpointing out costume mistakes because of the wrong cut or stitch method
so, yeah, it's a valid point, if you want to be historically accurate, don't just fight about the racial issue
but considering the political climate and how most people have no idea what they are talking about, it makes sense that this is the most "easy to converse upon controversial topic" when it comes to historical movies for people who don't know much stuff
See, I think racial representation is a bigger issue right now than historical accuracy, but in the future, looking back at what is now looked at as a necessary step towards racial integration and pluralism is just gonna be looked at as weird old timey pandering and yes, inaccuracy. The solution to me is obvious, make more historical films that necessitate black, Asian, Latin, Jewish, middle eastern etc etc actors, like, I don't know, telling stories that don't all take place in Europe? But, if I'm being honest, I don't think it matters that much, integration of so called people of colour into pop culture is a massive, important step towards racism dying out so it matters less in the long haul if a film is historically accurate than if it helped forward a cause. All that being said, seeing an Asian person walking around medieval Europe in a film would be fucking weird and make me raise an eyebrow. It's kind of shallow and pandering in a very unsubtle and borderline offensive way. I'm sorry, this is all over the place and barely understandable but yeah, here are some thoughts from my brain. 
maybe hollywood should try to make more movies which have the possiblities of having a wide representation in the main cast instead of making so many movies where they just put a black person here and an asian person here just to silence the critics
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Date: 24-09-2020 16:01
Alam
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Alam wrote:
Pavlov wrote:
Alam wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:

well to be fair, that is an issue too, though as someone super uninformed, seeing skin colour is easier than pinpointing out costume mistakes because of the wrong cut or stitch method
so, yeah, it's a valid point, if you want to be historically accurate, don't just fight about the racial issue
but considering the political climate and how most people have no idea what they are talking about, it makes sense that this is the most "easy to converse upon controversial topic" when it comes to historical movies for people who don't know much stuff
See, I think racial representation is a bigger issue right now than historical accuracy, but in the future, looking back at what is now looked at as a necessary step towards racial integration and pluralism is just gonna be looked at as weird old timey pandering and yes, inaccuracy. The solution to me is obvious, make more historical films that necessitate black, Asian, Latin, Jewish, middle eastern etc etc actors, like, I don't know, telling stories that don't all take place in Europe? But, if I'm being honest, I don't think it matters that much, integration of so called people of colour into pop culture is a massive, important step towards racism dying out so it matters less in the long haul if a film is historically accurate than if it helped forward a cause. All that being said, seeing an Asian person walking around medieval Europe in a film would be fucking weird and make me raise an eyebrow. It's kind of shallow and pandering in a very unsubtle and borderline offensive way. I'm sorry, this is all over the place and barely understandable but yeah, here are some thoughts from my brain. 
maybe hollywood should try to make more movies which have the possiblities of having a wide representation in the main cast instead of making so many movies where they just put a black person here and an asian person here just to silence the critics
Yeah, that's what I was trying to say but couldn't be bothered editing my comment.
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Date: 24-09-2020 16:03
MasileinDE
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MasileinDE wrote:
Alam wrote:
MasileinDE wrote:
Alam wrote:
I think people who say they care about historical accuracy so much should focus on things like costume design and language if they truly care so much. Otherwise it's just a bad look.

well to be fair, that is an issue too, though as someone super uninformed, seeing skin colour is easier than pinpointing out costume mistakes because of the wrong cut or stitch method
so, yeah, it's a valid point, if you want to be historically accurate, don't just fight about the racial issue
but considering the political climate and how most people have no idea what they are talking about, it makes sense that this is the most "easy to converse upon controversial topic" when it comes to historical movies for people who don't know much stuff
See, I think racial representation is a bigger issue right now than historical accuracy, but in the future, looking back at what is now looked at as a necessary step towards racial integration and pluralism is just gonna be looked at as weird old timey pandering and yes, inaccuracy. The solution to me is obvious, make more historical films that necessitate black, Asian, Latin, Jewish, middle eastern etc etc actors, like, I don't know, telling stories that don't all take place in Europe? But, if I'm being honest, I don't think it matters that much, integration of so called people of colour into pop culture is a massive, important step towards racism dying out so it matters less in the long haul if a film is historically accurate than if it helped forward a cause. All that being said, seeing an Asian person walking around medieval Europe in a film would be fucking weird and make me raise an eyebrow. It's kind of shallow and pandering in a very unsubtle and borderline offensive way. I'm sorry, this is all over the place and barely understandable but yeah, here are some thoughts from my brain. 

I think so too - and I mean, it is important that we adress it and it is kinda nitpicking to use it as an argument when it comes to historical accuracy, because it's just a very small part of it and not as important as for instance like completely wrong era of dress (which omg, that makes me cringe so hard)

yes, this is also a great point, kinda goes hand in hand with my idea on inclusivity when it comes to modern day diversity in movies and series. like not just substitute characters, actually build up the lives and cultural differences that are present, because it does help more with understanding

I just feel like if you go and handle it "wrong" or like extremely aggressive in trying to eradicate others (right now, I sometimes feel like we just use a token group of black leads because it's in because of the BLM movements and such and completely ignore all the other people we could add in as well), it actually feels more staggering to the cause that helpful. might just be how I see this as a european person and not being so in on it all when it comes to blm, but I feel like people in general are more easy to revolt about it suddenly being all black (which it isn't, there's just way more media focus on it right now) instead of just casually doing it and not really aknowledging the inclusivity as something super special

I hope I didn't put anything of this wrong, it's a difficult topic with a lot of facettes to it and I sometimes really struggle with english not being my native language
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Date: 24-09-2020 16:04
Fantasy
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Fantasy wrote:
duckgirl wrote:
forced diversity just looks like they want 2 get as much money n woke points
but in the end, they do not really care about representing minorities in historical events
!!!!!
imo if they really cared about other groups they would actually show how their situation was (bad or good but without changing anything, like just showing their realistic situation) and not just make a normal character diverse just so they can say "yes we have colored ppl in our movie/series"
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Date: 24-09-2020 16:05
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if movies actually went for historical accuracy, someone needs to stop getting actors teeth bleached, their eyebrows waxed and pits shaved, like .....................
Date: 24-09-2020 16:06
MasileinDE
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MasileinDE wrote:
duckgirl wrote:
forced diversity just looks like they want 2 get as much money n woke points
but in the end, they do not really care about representing minorities in historical events

yeah, diversity has become a cash grab and not really the thing it should be: education
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Date: 24-09-2020 16:06
Pavlov
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Pavlov wrote:
acidreflux wrote:
if movies actually went for historical accuracy, someone needs to stop getting actors teeth bleached, their eyebrows waxed and pits shaved, like .....................
lmao that would be really interesting actually
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Date: 24-09-2020 16:06
Fantasy
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Fantasy wrote:
Pavlov wrote:
acidreflux wrote:
if movies actually went for historical accuracy, someone needs to stop getting actors teeth bleached, their eyebrows waxed and pits shaved, like .....................
lmao that would be really interesting actually
OMG yes i would LOVE to watch such movies and series!! 
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Date: 24-09-2020 16:07
Pavlov
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Pavlov wrote:
Pavlov wrote:
acidreflux wrote:
if movies actually went for historical accuracy, someone needs to stop getting actors teeth bleached, their eyebrows waxed and pits shaved, like .....................
lmao that would be really interesting actually
in some historical movies women wear wigs for their pp area to be more accurate for the time era, lets be honest its probably a fetish thing
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Date: 24-09-2020 16:07
Alam
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Alam wrote:
acidreflux wrote:
if movies actually went for historical accuracy, someone needs to stop getting actors teeth bleached, their eyebrows waxed and pits shaved, like .....................
Honestly, and quit giving Victorian women weird ass almost modern dresses and corsets, the fuck is that about?
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Date: 24-09-2020 16:07
Pavlov
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Pavlov wrote:
Alam wrote:
acidreflux wrote:
if movies actually went for historical accuracy, someone needs to stop getting actors teeth bleached, their eyebrows waxed and pits shaved, like .....................
Honestly, and quit giving Victorian women weird ass almost modern dresses and corsets, the fuck is that about?
lmao i hate that, isnt that what reign does
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Date: 24-09-2020 16:08
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