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Claire wrote:
Claire wrote:
the moral of the story in most anime about war is that neither side is actually evil and i've always bought into it pretty easily and agreed with it.

but honestly i wonder if thats an attempt to rationalize or justify the evil acts that have been committed in wars by japanese imperialists. on a certain level many anime are state propaganda for japan. 

"evil"

I'm saying this word itself may be a mistake to use but it's hard to look at something like the rape of nanking and think of any other way to describe it.
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Date: 28-02-2021 19:18
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BunnyButts wrote:
Claire wrote:
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if anime has taught me anything, boiling humans down to just evil is dumb
and you know what all this shit about the act of killing actually has me thinking A LOT about the new season of attack on titan lmao

like from our perspective in the first few seasons Eren is totally in the right and then in the newest season we meet Gabi who is LITERALLY EREN but on the other side of their war and the audience is failing to empathize with her but shes literally EXACTLY THE SAME as Eren. 
I think alot of full metal alchemist where the main villian removes the 7 deadly sins from himself and is like every human is evil and the world is corrupt and ed and al are like yea, but look at everything beautiful and amazing about the world and dismissing this is just wrong 
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Date: 28-02-2021 19:18
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ouch wrote:
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its dumb to think that cause just cause it could happen dismisses the real world and how complex life is and like ugh shit like this makes me hate psychology 
No not rlly, it doesn't dismiss anything imo but it adds something, to say even a singular person in the world isn't capable of doing smth "evil" under any circumstances would b very wrong and way too optimistic and naiv e
No, dismissing peoples actions as just evil is naïve like everyone does something for a reason wether we consider it moral or not but saying all nazis are evil but defending the mass murder of iraqs by the us isnt useful. lIke evil is a dumb dismissive term for the real problems of why people follow orders/ act the way they do  
Hm yeah but no I don't agree, sure evil is a very simplified term for the complexity of the situation but still I think it doesn't do any harm and also ppl must b able to have some common sense themselves. Like in the stanford prison experiment the whole gimmick of "how good ppl turn evil" i s the entire slogan and all right, but they still go in depth abt why and how what happened, happened. Not like uwuw this person is evil now hence everyone is evil, but how the role as a prison guard made them turn evil in the moment. Iss interesting. 
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Date: 28-02-2021 19:19
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it's funny to me that ppl still think the stanford prison experiment was in any way scientific
Date: 28-02-2021 19:20
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it's funny to me that ppl still think the stanford prison experiment was in any way scientific
They even went over in the book abt what they did wrong n shit tho, like the unethicality (?) Of it all so it weird 
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Date: 28-02-2021 19:21
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BunnyButts wrote:
ouch wrote:
BunnyButts wrote:
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No not rlly, it doesn't dismiss anything imo but it adds something, to say even a singular person in the world isn't capable of doing smth "evil" under any circumstances would b very wrong and way too optimistic and naiv e
No, dismissing peoples actions as just evil is naïve like everyone does something for a reason wether we consider it moral or not but saying all nazis are evil but defending the mass murder of iraqs by the us isnt useful. lIke evil is a dumb dismissive term for the real problems of why people follow orders/ act the way they do  
Hm yeah but no I don't agree, sure evil is a very simplified term for the complexity of the situation but still I think it doesn't do any harm and also ppl must b able to have some common sense themselves. Like in the stanford prison experiment the whole gimmick of "how good ppl turn evil" i s the entire slogan and all right, but they still go in depth abt why and how what happened, happened. Not like uwuw this person is evil now hence everyone is evil, but how the role as a prison guard made them turn evil in the moment. Iss interesting. 
no the standford experiment was a terrible excuse for an experiment and was how do people do bad not good turn bad - regular humans do bad and its all of why they did it that is important - they acted how they thought the people wanted, they thought it was the prisoners fault, they were just actting on orders. this is about compliance to orders not on good v evil 
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Claire wrote:
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it's funny to me that ppl still think the stanford prison experiment was in any way scientific
when we talked about it in my pschology class it was in the context of discussing ethics in research as an example of bad ethics lmao 
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Date: 28-02-2021 19:22
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BunnyButts wrote:
necromania wrote:
it's funny to me that ppl still think the stanford prison experiment was in any way scientific
100000000% yes
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Date: 28-02-2021 19:22
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they failed scientifically but its intreseting seeing people collective act in complince to what they think the group wants them to do and thats the real problem not people hold evil in them - they are willing to do anything not to be excluded 
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Date: 28-02-2021 19:23
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Claire wrote:
you ever see the movie 'compliance'? i was thinking about that too. it's based on a true story. 
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Date: 28-02-2021 19:23
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BunnyButts wrote:
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you ever see the movie 'compliance'? i was thinking about that too. it's based on a true story. 
no! Ill look into it
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Date: 28-02-2021 19:24
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Claire wrote:
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you ever see the movie 'compliance'? i was thinking about that too. it's based on a true story. 
no! Ill look into it
i dont htink you necessarily need to see the movie just reading about it is enough to add to this discussion
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Date: 28-02-2021 19:24
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ouch wrote:
BunnyButts wrote:
ouch wrote:
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No, dismissing peoples actions as just evil is naïve like everyone does something for a reason wether we consider it moral or not but saying all nazis are evil but defending the mass murder of iraqs by the us isnt useful. lIke evil is a dumb dismissive term for the real problems of why people follow orders/ act the way they do  
Hm yeah but no I don't agree, sure evil is a very simplified term for the complexity of the situation but still I think it doesn't do any harm and also ppl must b able to have some common sense themselves. Like in the stanford prison experiment the whole gimmick of "how good ppl turn evil" i s the entire slogan and all right, but they still go in depth abt why and how what happened, happened. Not like uwuw this person is evil now hence everyone is evil, but how the role as a prison guard made them turn evil in the moment. Iss interesting. 
no the standford experiment was a terrible excuse for an experiment and was how do people do bad not good turn bad - regular humans do bad and its all of why they did it that is important - they acted how they thought the people wanted, they thought it was the prisoners fault, they were just actting on orders. this is about compliance to orders not on good v evil 
To what orders tho, the guards were not ordered to behave the way they did, and the prisoners were going against what they had been told in admission. Tho ofc its not a well done or ethical experiment, u still can't dismiss everything that came off it, esp as u see the same type of things in effects in prisons today, esp in america 
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ouch wrote:
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they failed scientifically but its intreseting seeing people collective act in complince to what they think the group wants them to do and thats the real problem not people hold evil in them - they are willing to do anything not to be excluded 
Yeah this is literally waht I said in my first comment tho lol. Most ppl won't do evil stuff unprovoked, but that doesn't mean they r not capable of doing it 
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Date: 28-02-2021 19:25
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Claire wrote:
ouch wrote:
BunnyButts wrote:
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Hm yeah but no I don't agree, sure evil is a very simplified term for the complexity of the situation but still I think it doesn't do any harm and also ppl must b able to have some common sense themselves. Like in the stanford prison experiment the whole gimmick of "how good ppl turn evil" i s the entire slogan and all right, but they still go in depth abt why and how what happened, happened. Not like uwuw this person is evil now hence everyone is evil, but how the role as a prison guard made them turn evil in the moment. Iss interesting. 
no the standford experiment was a terrible excuse for an experiment and was how do people do bad not good turn bad - regular humans do bad and its all of why they did it that is important - they acted how they thought the people wanted, they thought it was the prisoners fault, they were just actting on orders. this is about compliance to orders not on good v evil 
To what orders tho, the guards were not ordered to behave the way they did, and the prisoners were going against what they had been told in admission. Tho ofc its not a well done or ethical experiment, u still can't dismiss everything that came off it, esp as u see the same type of things in effects in prisons today, esp in america 
no they were absolutely encouraged to act the way they did they were coached

www.vox.com/2018/6/13/17449118/stanford-prison-experiment-fraud-psychology-replication
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